"Animal products kill more people annually in the US than tobacco, alcohol, traffic accidents, war, domestic violence, guns, and drugs combined. USAMRID wrote that consumption of pig flesh caused the world's most lethal pandemic in WW1, euphemistically called flu. Anthrax used to be called wool sorters' disease. Smallpox used to be called cow pox or kine pox because of its origin in animal flesh."
Grains kill more people in the U. S. than any other product. And that includes the corn syrup that is in almost every refined product you eat, particularly "low fat" products. Our bodies are not designed for either grains or refined food. We emerged from hunter gatherer societies where the primary food source was meat. We followed the animals in their annual migrations and didn't settle down and become sick until we began agriculture.
Cancer has been found in dinosaurs. How do you explain that?
Cancer has been found in dinosaurs. How do you explain that?
What kind of dinosaurs? Were they the carnivorous type or herbivorous? Based on your post I would guess they were herbivores. If you look at the post I made in the other cancer debate forum, it would seem to explain why dinosaurs developed cancer.
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"What kind of dinosaurs? Were they the carnivorous type or herbivorous? Based on your post I would guess they were herbivores. If you look at the post I made in the other cancer debate forum, it would seem to explain why dinosaurs developed cancer."
Note in the article below that cancer "...is the most common cause of death in animals." There is no distinction between carnivores or herbivores. Trying to pin it on one specific thing is like trying to prove that all death is self-inflicted, which it is.
You can find sites all over the Internet on the topic of cancer in dinosaurs, but here's one link: http://www.livescience.com/health/060403_dino_med.html
Dinosaur Tumor Studied for Human Cancer Clues
Cancer in dinosaurs and illnesses in other animals are being studied in a groundbreaking new program that combines medical school with the study of natural history.
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Finding a cancerous Jurassic lump doesn't surprise Michael Kennedy, a surgeon and professor at the University of Southern California. "Cancer is the most common cause of death in animals. It is not a uniquely human disease," he said in a recent telephone interview. The renewed focus on history in the teaching of medicine pleases Kennedy, also the author of "A Brief History of Disease, Science and Medicine" (Asklepiad Press, 2004), which describes the intricate historical links that connect diseases.
rest of story at the link
Mercola who is held in high esteem by many on this board, agrees that cereal grains are the cause of many of our illnesses and problems. Mercola has written The No-Grain Diet and I have a friend who is following it and within the first week lost 10 pounds without trying (she is not overweight) and some of her allergies cleared up. I don't agree with Mercola on a lot of things, but on this one I'm in complete agreement.
From one of Mercola's sites: http://www.mercola.com/article/carbohydrates/scientific_evidence_low_grains.htm
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Generally, in most parts of the world, whenever cereal-based diets were first adopted as a staple food replacing the primarily animal-based diets of hunter-gatherers, there was a characteristic reduction in stature, a reduction in life span, an increase in infant mortality, an increased incidence of infectious disease, an increase in diseases of nutritional deficiencies (i.e., iron deficiency, pellagra), and an increase in the number of dental caries and enamel defects.
In a review of 51 references examining human populations from around the earth and from differing chronologies, as they transitioned from hunter-gathers to farmers, one investigator concluded that there was an overall decline in both the quality and quantity of life.
There is now substantial empirical and clinical evidence to indicate that many of these deleterious changes are directly related to the predominately cereal-based diets of these early farmers. Since 99.99% of our genes were formed before the development of agriculture, from a biological perspective, we are still hunter-gathers.
Thus, our diet should reflect the sensibilities of this nutritional niche: lean meats; fish; seafood; low glycemic vegetables and fruit, (modern agriculture has significantly increased the sugar and starch content of vegetables and fruits over their Paleolithic counterparts), nuts and seeds - the evolutionary diet.
more at the site
"I can also add something to that. I heard that the problem with grains is that decades ago, a certain amount of them have been genetically engineered to resist insects. I don't need to say more."
Genetic engineering (GM) is a term that is much too loosely used by many. In reality, it is the modification of DNA of a plant or animal by the introduction of the DNA from a different species. A plant can have the DNA of an animal introduced into it and vica versa. This has been going on for little more than ten years, not decades. GM technology as it relates to plants has been around for not much more than 20 years. Almost all modification of plants prior to GM was via hybridization, which is a simply selective breeding. If you read Mercola's referenced site, this is what it says regarding cereal grains:
From Mercola:
"Generally, in most parts of the world, whenever cereal-based diets were first adopted as a staple food replacing the primarily animal-based diets of hunter-gatherers, there was a characteristic reduction in stature, a reduction in life span, an increase in infant mortality, an increased incidence of infectious disease, an increase in diseases of nutritional deficiencies (i.e., iron deficiency, pellagra), and an increase in the number of dental caries and enamel defects."
So the increase in disease, reduction of life span, and on and on began with the advent of agriculture which occurred about 10,000 years ago. Trying to blame our ills on GM is downright foolishness. It is and has been the introduction of cereal grains, exacerbated by the more recent advent of polished (white) rice and white flour.
We have hybridized fruits and vegetables so significantly that many can't even be found in nature. Go find a wild green bean. Or a wild pumpkin, and many others. It is exactly what early humans did with the advent of agriculture. They learned hybridization very early with both plants and animals and a great deal of what we eat - besides cereal grains, bear little resemblance to what our hunter gatherer ancestors ate, just as most dogs bear little resemblance to wolves from which all of them are descended. (All domestic dogs are descended from wolves which is hybridization and not GM.)
Virtually no square foot of our planet is toxin free from all the man made carninogens in pesticides and industrial products and pollutants that have either been applied directly to our soils or drifted into our soils from the air and rain. That is especially true of radioactive fallout from all the above ground bomb tests that virtually blanketed the globe - and some of the radioactive elements have half lives of up to 30,000 years.
Plants take these toxins in from the soil, as well as from the air and water and from direct applications of chemical products. Virtually no plant product on earth is entirely free of toxins and many contain them in very dangerous amounts.
We have made quite the mess of things, and the best we can do is live as cleanly and healthily as possible. A diet that consists of a large amount of organically grown raw vegetables and fruits, along with nuts, seeds and roots (or tubors) is the healthiest diet of all, but if one does not include some healthy meat then they are eating a diet that is not one our bodies have naturally adapted to and run the very high risk of missing vital nutrients that are not ordinarily supplied by a strict vegetarian diet. That is why many strict vegetarians are among the most unhealthy people on the planet.
I see you evidently have not yet done a full survey of the Beyond Vegetarian website written by veterans of the vegetarian movement dating back to the 60's. Vegetarianism may be a laudable concept, but it is not a natural one. Man did not make nature, and when man tries to manipulate nature the results are invariably harmful. Life forms live on other life forms, that is the way nature works. Some live on plants, some on animals and some on both. Plants are lifeforms too, btw.
DQ
I'm a 32 year old Vegetarian and my health is excellent. My blood pressure is on average 100/60 and my blood work is similar to a healthy child. Humans can adapt to any situation and eating meat is one on them if need be, however when there is a choice between food energy that is second hand(meat) or food that is first hand, well think about it. Simply put eating meat will shorten the life span of humans.
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Jordan
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In that case how do you explain the fact that all of the longest lived people on earth all eat at least some meat? If humans adapted to eat meat, then they did it for millions of years now. That explains the teeth which are made for eating both plants and meat. If strict vegetarian is so correct, why don't mothers just feed their babies vegetables?
We aren't so far apart actually - you are right about veggies being better for you overall and I think that the more raw fruits and vegetables you eat, the better off you are . . . so long as you do not eliminate meat (especially fish) and dairy entirely. Or else really know what you are doing and supplement well - and THAT would be adaption, because we are naturally adapted to eating some meat.
Congratulations on your wonderful health. Mine is more like 120-130 over 80, but then I am 23 years older than you are. And I do eat too much meat, even if only a fraction of what many eat and a healthier selection of meats overall too.
You assuredly must have excellent eyesight, as I can barely read your tiny words. I always choose "small" - so us old blind folks can read it.
Please be aware of one thing - vegetarians are very health conscious by and large, working out, walking, jogging, riding bikes, etc., and have healthy lifestyles.. For that reason, many of them look and feel very good. But many of them have deficiencies that are building up like and are ticking time bombs for later problems. that That is why some vegetarians that have been eating a strict vegan diet for years and look and feel good suddenly have preciptious declines in their health - the deficiencies finally catch up in the form of serious conditions and/or a precipitous decline in overall health and wellbeing.
So do be careful and supplement well!
DQ
Yes, and spam is especially toxic.
Your link in your post is in violation of the rules at THIS CureZone.
Regards,
DQ