I had a full dental revision 1 yr ag... 
wendypape
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Hi there. I just wanted to pop in and say that I have had a full dental revision with Huggins and his dentists in Colorado in June of 2006. I believe they are now working mostly out of Texas with a team there.
We beg, borrowed and stole the money and loaded my 1.5 yr old and 4.5 yr old into the truck and away we went. Driving time was 24 hrs not including stops and hotels on the way.
Anyhow, long story short, I had 12 Amalgams (23 surfaces), 3 cavitations and an impacted wisdom tooth that I figured I might as well have done while I was there.
It was all done in 4 hours under conscious sedation with vitamin C IV during the procedure and I think one more time 4 days later- I'd have to check my notes. There was also massage and accupressure therapy too. I think there were 12 of us in that clinic. Then I also paid for Huggins lectures the following week.
The one thing that still sticks in my head is that after we got back to the hotel room and I was alert etc. I remember thinking ........ hey where did all the noise in my head go? The only thing I can equate it to is the sound in your house when the power goes out. It is sooooooo quiet. and that's how my head felt.
I had no 'diagnosed' medical condition upon going. I did however have a lump in my left breast that I refused toh ave looked at by allopathic doctors and I had pain in my cervix I was using ozone on. I had 2 thermography scans for my breast in the year prior to my removal, that did show issues. The pain in my breast and my cervix disappeared imemdiately after the removal!!!! It came back once 3 months later, but I had more Rife and Bicom work done and it hasn't been back since.
When I came back to Toronto, I felt really bad- the trip home with 2 small kids was way worse then going. ;-) My teeth hurt, I was so fatigued etc., and when I called for advice they were all on vacation at the dentists and at Huggins clinic. Then I remembered what he said about what would happen if you didn't follow his protocol. I had not done any vitamin C flushes yet as I wanted to wait until I got home. I immediately started that afternoon. I got to about 10 tsp of sodium ascorbate (about 40 grams) before I hit the bowel tolerance. But by the time I got to there, I was 100% pain free everywhere in my body. Maintaining those vit C flushes each week is crucial when I feel things sliding.
I have long hair and all my life I wanted to learn to french braid it myself. I couldn't figure it out and my arms would get so sore, but my brain couldn't handle it. After I had my Amalgams removed I remember giving it a try, and bam, it was no problem at all, my fingers and my brain didn't get confused at all. It disappeared again 3 months later about the same time as the return of the breast and cervical pain, but I got it back after that. Also I have had some cranial work by a well known chiropractor in Barrie Ontario
http://www.catsworkshop.com
He has people travel to him from TExas, Michigan etc. That also has helped my brain.
Not to say I haven't had ups and downs, but I feel like I have my life back most days! LOL it's all a process but most of the time I can MULTITASK!!! Sometimes I am just cruising- things are working so well- I equate it to being an Octopus as you go thru the house cleaning. Your brain sees all the stuff and registers where it needs to go in lightening speed as my arms whip out and grab it all as I'm going by. Huggins says having them removed is only 5%, there is still so much work after that.
Vitamin C is an excellent chelator and I took mega doses every day for over a year. he also recommends Lypo Spheric Vitamin C www. LivOnLabs.com he told us if we couldn't find vit C IV without B12 when we got home that 4 of these are much like an IV treatment would be. I also had Rife therapy and Bicom therapy done in Toronto. I also have my own ozone generator and do vaginal insuffilation, ears, drinking water etc. to my tolerance level.
I've done lots of other things, rebounding,skin brushing, juicing, fasting(which he doesn't recommned) etc.. I am convinced that getting the dental revision done was the best choice for me.
One complaint.... It took about 6 months for me to finally be able to eat nuts and things without my teeth hurting. That was tough to adjust to in the beginning because they were so sensitive to hot and cold. I was just thankful to have them out though. I read where that can actually be bite related and I do believe my bite should have been worked on some more but we ran out of time and had to head home.
They did a serum biocompatibilty test which is a 26 pageish report that tells them which materials are least reactive for my mouth. I also sent in a hair analysis before and had 1 done a year later. **tip on that. DON'T COOK IN VISIONWARE GLASS POTS. It really showed in my hair analysis. They also do a full CBC on you before, after and then it's supposed to be every 3 months I think but I felt so amazing, I put it off for a year! LOL
Anyhow, I always mean to post my story but forget. With 2 little ones, I'm not online much. ;-)
take care
Wendy
Canada
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... Aharleygyrl
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This is a reply to # 951,411
Huggins clinics in the states are great if you can afford them. the problem is most people have to mortgage their homes. i have heard many quotes from $20,000 to $50,000.
what is wrong with visions? i have used nothing else for many years now.
Torrie
- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... daveh
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This is a reply to # 951,411Thanks for the visit. I had read that Vitamin C seemed to have a slight chelation or mercury reducing affect, from the data it seemed so slight I dismissed it. I am encouraged to take another 1000 mg pill up to 6000 per day. I know what you mean about being without fine dexterity. My typing speed was embarassing. Then another typo. Currently it seems to be improving, yet not full recovery. Before I was not even able to remember to remember what I was supposed to be remembering. I had routines and completed goals, although sometimes I forgot basic things like remembering where my car was parked while shopping at the supermarket, peoples names, procedures etc. I used to be a computer programmer and had notepad files in folders for almost any procedure I needed. I had to hide my username and password on a paper in my desk file for when I forgot it I was supposed to remember it was in the file. Eventually I was laid off with a downsizing and was unable to learn another computer language. I got some memory by prayer. Through much effort I learned some routine but fogged out of it occasionaly only to find my place again for awhile. Now the fog is slowly lifting. I remembered to quit drinking caffeine and did. If I was at a coffee shop I remembered to say "decaf".
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... #21676
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This is a reply to # 951,411What showed up in your blood test that was from the Visionware? Was it silica or something related to glass?
Where in Texas did you have the procedure done?- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... daveh
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This is a reply to # 951,470Teflon was supposed to be carcinogenic. They found some workers at a teflon plant were getting cancer more than the normal population.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/01/31/toxic_teflon_frying_pans.htm
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Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... Aharleygyrl
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This is a reply to # 952,014yeah, and i still use it. i cannot find anything that doesn't stick that is ok for health. i have to have pancakes (made with rice) and stuff like that, so i do not know what else to use. i use very low heat, but i am sure it is very toxic.
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... AHarleyGyrl
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This is a reply to # 952,909ok. i got rid of all my sst yrs ago because of the nickel poisoning my dr found. after i got the mercury, nickel and root canals out, i could taste metal in anything there was metal in. i have not ate anything from a can in yrs, even, because all i taste is metal from the can. if i eat from sst, i instantly taste metal and it is gross. i like glass, but cannot fry in it. bummer.
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... daveh
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... wendypape
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This is a reply to # 951,411$20- $50K seriously???? LOL that's funny.
No for my 12 amalgams, 3 cavitations and severely impacted wisdom tooth, the quote came in around $5000 US. In the end it was $5400. Roughly $1000 of that was for the anesthiologist. Then I paid a separate $5600 for the Huggins portion of the clinic which was a week of lectures, analysis of the bloodwork and hair analysis, they coordinated all my appts with the dentists, accupressurist and massage therapist, ran my IV vit c during lectures etc. were on call if we needed to talk with them etc.
There is one dentist in Canada that follows Huggins protocol almost to the letter, Dr. Benoit in Quebec I think. There were a few things that changed my mind about going to him. Anyhow,he quoted me $6700 Canadian and I figure it would have cost me at least $200 for a night for a room, it's a very ritzy city. This cost did not include the accupressure, massage therapy or any other things.
By choosing to drive to Colorado it was $5400 for the dental portion, and the rooms were suites which was nice because we had a little Livingroom and a kitchen so we could cook our meals from scratch still - important with my children in tow. Our rooms were $75 a night. So except for the gas and time, it was actually cheaper to go to Colorado ;-)
There is an excellent book DR. Tom Levy wrote called Curing the Incurable- it's about vitamin c and it is actually an EXCELLENT chelator, but sometimes in larger amounts. I was taking up to 15 grams a day without bowel tolerance. Some people can handle 40 grams etc. depends on the individual. The vitamin C flushes are REALLY REALLY important, as are the detox baths, baking soda or Epsom Salts . Huggins says that in 30-40 yrs of balancing chemistries you also have to eat properly according to not what he calls 'his way' but from an ancestrial way- which is what we need to eat to balance our chemistries to put our numbers where they need to be- if his patients don't eat this way, then he doesn't see the chemistries moving. They won't accept vegetarians into the program unless they are temporarily willing to eat meat protein as he has never been able to move their chemistries unless they do.
Just an fyi, I went to his clinic in Colorado, not the one in Texas, but I have talked with the dentists in Texas as I'm getting a quote for my husband and they are bang on, they sure know what they are doing. I believe he also runs one in the carribiean or something, and they also do mini ones that do not cost as much and are not as long.
I reserached this for years before I had it done. For me, I had to make sure I did not end up worse off then when I started. As a mom with 2 little children, this just could not happen. I felt confident and still do that this was the best place for me to be to have this done. It was worth every penny and every hour in the car with my kids! LOL
hth
wendy
canada- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... AHarleyGyrl
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well, when patients told me their $30,000 and up quotes, they were not laughing. I am happy for you that you were able to get the mercury out, unfortunately, that is still way more than many can afford. Generally down here, it is between $1,500-3,000, depending on if they get sedation.
- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... wendypape
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This is a reply to # 956,126I figured there was no safer place to go then to Huggins. So I had a panoramic xraytaken and sent it to his Colorado clinic and to the clinic in Ottawa first to get an estimate.
Keep in mind that everyones 'full dental revision' will be different. Some people in the clinic had way cheaper bills then me and some higher. I had ALOT of fillings compared with anyone I know. Most people I know only have 4-6 mercury fillings if that, but then people may have root canals, crowns etc. and need all that dealt with.
One does not always have to travel so far away and it doesn't have to be all done at once. Huggins also offers a home program which we are exploring for my husband. There is a clinic just an hour from me in a small town that has been doing mercury revisions for years and they will do piece work in compliance with Huggins protocols so that is something we are also exploring for my husband in conjunction with the At Home Program, then as we have the money we can do a few more etc. THe important things I need to see on my husband are the bloodwork and the hair analysis to see what we are dealing with. The key for me was to read Dr. Huggins Amalgam removal protocol, know it and then I started calling around asking each dentist how they did it etc. and what type of follow up support they offer. Many work with naturopaths who have years dealing with this. I did find some dentists who were conventional who claimed to be properly removing the fillings, however I know 2 people personally who are worse off then they were before, and wish they would have never had it done.
Had we not done some creative financing we could not have afforded it, many people at the clinic simply added it on the mortgage of their house. One poor family there had already had their grown son's full dental revision done and it cost them THOUSANDS!!! THey were at this clinic in a last ditch attempt to have it redone properly and they had to put that money out again. I think that was the worst part... is that all but 2 of us, were ALREADY really sick, cancer, leukemia, als, ms etc. I feel very fortunate to have found all this information so many years ago and to research it etc. and to choose to act on it while I am still fairly young. When my mom was sick 10 yrs ago, she was only 52 and had a cold at Christmas. She was having trouble breathing and I took her in to the hospital. With their interventions she deteriorated rapidly and got another bug while she was in recovery and died. We were grasping at straws at the end- trying to find alternative remedies to save her- thing is, they take time. The medical doctors had no answers. Her mind was fine, her body, deteriorating, she was on 100% oxygen. I guess she had some chronic lung issues going on. Ozone would have been fabulous for her- didn't find out about that until a week before she died. Anyhow, from tragedy comes growth I guess and maybe I'll be around a little longer for my kids ;-) We all only do what we can, when we can, with the money we can.... it's all a process ;-) bfn warmly, wendy
- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... AHarleyGyrl
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yes, i have been here 5 yrs to help people who are very sick and have little money so it works well for them, but it is very important it is done right. all at once is most people's preference and it works well. hal started that backin the 90s and found it was easier on the immune system. i am sorry about your mom, that is too bad, but yes, you are well and informed and setting a good example for your kids.
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... wendypape
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- Why not vision ware? Quinta_Essentia
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This is a reply to # 951,411I dont understand what you said about not using vision ware. what is the issue here? i use it, and always thought it was perfectly safe, since its glass. am i wrong?
- Re: Why not vision ware? wendypape
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This is a reply to # 1,041,838heavy metals are in visionware. I was told by 2 sources. Many senior longtime members on the Colloidal Silver group and then Dr. Hal Huggins at his lectures in Colorado last year.I cannot find anything online to give you but I can share this and you can decide for yourself
I had high levels of aluminum,arsenic,bismuth, titanium - all between 68-95th percentile. While one could say some might be explained from other things, BISMUTH is pretty obvious from the pots.... My bismuth levels in my hair analysis were HUGE, about the 90th percentile prior to Amalgam removal but ALSO prior to ceasing the use of ALL of my visionware collection. I switched to le creuset immediately upon returning home. 1 yr later it is hardly detectable...the others are greatly decreased. From Doctors Data the company who does the hair analysis the following description for high bismuth =
Sources of Bismuth include: cosmetics (lipstick), Bi containing mediations suchas rantidineBi-citrate, antacids (pepto bismol), pigments used in colored glass and ceramics, dental cement, and dry cell battery eletrodes. I use none of the above ever except for the pots.
ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ARE DIRECTLY FROM THE NOTES OF DR. HUGGINS LECTURES:
Cooking in stainless steel exposes you to nickel, it is quite toxic. Copper ebottoms on cookware can allow copper to enter food through stainless especially when heated. Stainless steel can also be a problem in pierced earrings. Recommended cookware: Pyrex is best but doesn’t make a skillet. Catamount is also good, may have a skillet. Best skillet found was least expensive cast iron. Lodge brand. Iron coming out into food does not seem to be a problem, does not lead to high ferratin or blocking zinc/manganese. This is not the type of iron that is useful for red blood cell formation anyway. Seasoning is not necessary, can use olive oil with butter for non-stick cooking in cast iron. 90% titanium cookware would theoretically be the best, but commercially “titanium” cookware is only 44% titanium with rest being aluminum. La Cruset French cookware is cast iron with porcelain fired at a high temperature onto it, the aluminum does not come out of it, available from Spiegel occasionally on half-price sale. Visionware has many contaminates that come out into food when heated.
Cookware
Cookware cause exposures to heavy metals. Most common cookware is aluminum, toxic. Putting Teflon on it causes exposure to fluorine. Together these are 1000 x more toxic than alone.
Tested 24 types of cookware by boiling water with vinegar or baking soda for 5 minutes, testing minerals that come out. More would have been seen in a 30 minute test.
Aluminum comes out readily from aluminum cookware and Corning ware (aluminum oxide in ceramic). The exception was La Creuset cookware, which is quite good. It is cast iron with ceramic fired onto it at a much higher temperature than usual, and aluminum does not come out. Expensive but can be found on sale occasionally.
Pyrex was the best cookware tested, and any of the glass was better than plastic for storing things in the refrigerator. Low molecular weight hydrocarbons come out of the soft plastics and are found in greater and greater amounts in the environment. Tupperware or things like this will contaminate the food, to varying amounts. Using old mayonnaise jars with big lids is worthwhile. Glass does turn out to be the best cookware. Catamount is another brand tested to a certain extent and is quite good.
For skillet, the best is cast iron. Has only small number of types of metals in it, and only a small amount comes out. Inexpensive.
Stainless steel is 71-78% nickel, with cobalt and chromium also. Nickel is very toxic, carcinogenic. Cobalt and chromium alone are not particularly toxic, but together these two raise carcinogenic potential 60 times. Putting copper on the bottom evens heat distribution, but when heated the copper comes through the stainless steel. Can taste it in water that has been boiled in copper-clad cookware for 4 days. Studies of metallurgy have found that putting different metals together in stainless steel forms an irregular mesh that sets up as a lattice as metals cool at different speeds. Copper activated by heat comes off as little tiny balls that can go through the stainless steel mesh into the food.
Visionware is glass, but has many impurities that create a very bad taste in water that is boiled in it. Gross metallic taste is terrible.
Crock pot is clay, which is aluminum, but temperature is lower so less contamination. Not as bad. Temperature is important. Storing food in aluminum foil in refrigerator is less toxic than cooking food in aluminum foil in oven. Body can remove aluminum, can be done in a hot bath. Aluminum contamination can come from boiling vegetables for a long time in aluminum pots. Nickel can also be released in a hot bath.
Heat and contact is what causes aluminum contamination. Aluminum cans are less of a problem since no heat. If you can exchange for glass, that is better. This is not something you have to take to extremes, or you will not be able to keep up with it all. Matter of what is feasible, what can be done, how far you want to go with it.
hope that helps
wendy- Re: Why not vision ware? Quinta_Essentia
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This is a reply to # 1,042,202wow, thanks so much for that info, its truly appreciated. i must say i am really dissapointed since i bought the visionware specifically because i thought it was safe and non toxic and now find out otherwise. argh! well, i will look for some pyrex then. again, thanks so much for the info!
- Re: Why not vision ware? wendypape
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This is a reply to # 1,042,739I have had success with buying the clear glass pyrex casserole dishes and glass bowls for storing things in the fridge as well as for mixing etc.
I have also recently found a Pyrex glass double boiler at my local Value Village ;-)
We took Dr. Huggins advice and switched to Le Creuset cast iron enamaled pots over a year ago and I use a bamboo steamer for steaming veggies. Hopefully bamboo steamers aren't treated with any chemicals- I can't find any info on that, but it has to be better then my tin/stainless steamers! The Le Creuset pots are expensive so at first we only had 1- which we made sure fit the bamboo steamer and we used that and a cast iron fry pan. Since then I found a woman on ebay in the U.S. selling a whole set of le creuset pots (the cast iron ENAMELED ONES!) and got a deal on those. However for those people iinthe U.S. you have lots of stores that carry them and Le Creuset outlet stores that have awesome prices. If you have to purchase them at a store like Williams Sonoma they will cost you an arm and a leg! I was also using stainless steel pots with the copper bottom which are the worst so I sold those in the local buy and sell and bought a le creuset pot! LOL These pots if taken care of will last a very long time. In fact, my husbands 65 yr old partner gave him his special 'bean pot' a few years back- and I realized recently it's a Le CreuseT!!!yeah.
I don't bake much but when I do, I use the pyrex glass loaf pan for banana bread etc. or my pampered chef stonewear- which huggins says isn't good either- but I figure once a month is acceptable. or one could also purchase the muffin cups from your local health food store. We have started eating more raw foods and so many of our 'treats' for the children are raw and require no appliances.
I use glass mason jars to store our home made almond milk in, I steep my tea in glass jars (hint-put a knife briefly while pouring in boiling water to prevent breaking), I boil my water in a glass pot, I also use clear glass coffee mugs- if you hunt around you can find them ;-)
While no cookware or storage wear is perfect, I figure anything I can do will help and my kids and I have turned it into a game/challenge to see what kind of glassware we can find at the 2nd hand stores when we are out and about ;-)
take care
wendy
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- Re: Why not vision ware? wendypape
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- Re: Why not vision ware? #69264
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This is a reply to # 1,042,202There is only one type of iron and iron is toxic at a certain level. Hair analysis is not an accurate way of determining metal exposure and what makes you think you are being damaged because you have more titanium exposure than 68% of people?. Chromium , copper, etc are not harmful unless your exposure is over a certain level and you are making yourself and your family neurotic by obsessing over everything.
Acid foods cause aluminum to dissolve from cans.- Re: Why not vision ware? wendypape
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This is a reply to # 1,043,962neurotic? ROFL nah, it's actually alot of fun and I feel SO amazing now from making all these changes and having my Amalgams removed. It's very nice to have my life and my brain back after all these years. I have found for me, that clear glass anything is definately the way to go. I pack my kids smoothies in jars, their raw veggies in glass bowls, huumus or dehydrated crackers in jars etc. Heck you can still buy glass baby bottles!!! The cool part I have discovered about glassware is that they are super easy to wash up, sterilize and unlike plastic they don't stain or stink if you forget food in them.
One does not need to do what I did or what I do, I am simply sharing my experience. I agree with others that there are many experts with many opinions on well.. just about everything out there. Each person takes what makes sense to them.
but hey... thanks for your compassion and thinking of me ;-)
warmly
wendy
- Re: Why not vision ware? #69264
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This is a reply to # 1,044,004One can't worry about everything and unfortunately most people don't have the scientific knowledge to decide what poses a significant threat and what is insignificant.If you feel better it could be a placebo effect because brain cells can be destroyed but they can't be created.
- Re: Why not vision ware? #102572
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This is a reply to # 1,044,643"brain cells can be destroyed but they can't be created"
Better check your sources!
She's doing everything possible to help herself and her family. Living healthfully and feeling good is NOT a placebo...it's called LIFE! Go get some! :)
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- Re: Why not vision ware? wendypape
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- Re: Why not vision ware? Quinta_Essentia
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- Re: I had a full dental revision 1 y... boobiebutt
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This is a reply to # 951,411Hi You never really explained why not to use Vision ware!? I use it faithfully and always wondered about it cuz it has a funny smell when you leave it on stove without water in it... chemically...
Vision ware by corning is glass right? I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing. Ive done a hair analysis and all I had in hair was arsenic and silver and tons of sulphur.... What exactly showed up in your hair? How long did you use Vision? I did notice a lack of hydration in skin since I started using it but there are soooo many other events and possibilities I don't know if it has anything to do with that....!
Did you feel any changes to your health?
DO you have inside info as to what is in it?
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