Hi Ellie,

I am no expert on liver flushes...I only did one so far. But, if you read the posts on this board, you will likely find many ppl who have passed very large stones...I read one story of a woman who passed a stone the size of 2 chicken eggs stuck together. Now, that is BIG! And clearly larger than the tip of a ballpoint pen! ;)

Now, as for me, I have passed many stones at least a centimeter big. But, mine were not calcified.

So I want to encourage you to read up on this board. I believe you will find many other ppl who have done the flush, probably with calcified stones...there are stories of calcified stones coming out.

So, I can't advise you either way, surgery or flush, but if it were ME, I would really look further into this flush before dismissing it.

HTH,

Mike

Ellie,
if there is bile inside gallbladder, then good expert can detect any kind of stones by ultrasound.

If gallbladder is empty (no bile-only stones) then ultrasound examination can hardly detect cholesterol stones.

So, until you do flush, you don't know what your stones are composed of.

In case of x-ray examination, it is common that only large calcified stones can be detected.

Cholesterol, protein, pigment and calcium are comon Gallstones "ingredients", but percentage of each can vary significantly. People who have only calcified stones are very rare.

And, beware that your surgeon's job is to scare you into surgery. His job is to come up with arguments that will make you doubdt any alternative.

Instead of waiting and hoping that diet can help, I suggest you to do the flush.
The longer you wait ... the larger your gallstone can grow ... and that can make more problems with cleansing.

Forget your fear and just do it.

If the stone is too large ... it will stay there.
If it is not too lage for your ducts ... you will get it out. Stone that stuck (something that is very unlikely, from my point of view) can always be chased out by the next flush - next day.

Gallbladder surgery is relatively new procedure.
But Gallstones existed for thousands of years.
What do you think people have been doing 300 years ago?

It is great that we have that option (surgery), just in case, makes us feel safe, ... but before you really need it for some real emergency .... why not give a chance to a thousnad year old cure? You are not the first person who's Gallstones have been diagnosed by ultrasound, and if other people managed ... you can do it too ...

Agnes

You might want to try the Liver Flush that calls for orthophosphoric acid (see this flush along with others on the Liver Flush page). This flush requires that you drink unpasteurized organic apple juice during the week prior to the flush, and adding orthophosphoric acid to it. The combination of malic acid from apples and the orthophosphoric acid helps to break down Gallstones a bit before they are eliminated. There are also herbs (some chinese) that are also reported to disolve gallstones...although I have not used any of them so I can't say how effective they are.

Perhaps others who have used any herbs for this purpose will also respond.

I appreciate your responses. I have read through this forum as well as others so have read all the variations on the flush. Yes, the surgeon's job is to do the surgery (and oftentimes scare one into having procedures they don't really need) but he didn't suggest having it yet, actually suggested waiting as this was the first and only attack I had had. What has made me wait and do more research is that the alternative doctor I see was worried about me attempting the flush. I see him because he does support natural cures. I'll ask his opinion again but I'll chance the stone growing while I continue cleaning up my diet. Maybe I'm overly cautious but I'd rather work on breaking this thing up somewhat before doing a flush. Once again, thanks for responding to my questions.