John, the fossil record has been interpreted through darwin's eyes. The problem evolutionists have is that they often date old bones and fossils by the rock they're in/next to. This is not logical. I recently ran across a site where human remains and cow remains and dinosaur remains were all found in at the same site....I'll post this later.....if scientists were to date those fossils, they'd probably date the human and cow remains with carbon 14, yet date the dinosaur remains by dating the rocks. This is because dinosaurs are assumed to be old....but who would know for sure unless they used carbon 14 to test them?
I disagree. It is logical to date bones based on the rock strata within which they are found (assuming we have a means of precisely determining the age of the strata). What is illogical in your example is the failure of the scientists in question to actually follow their own rules. If human, cow, and dinosaur bones are all being found in the same strata, then, the theory goes, they all belong to the same basic time period, and they are, therefore, approximately the same age, unless something happened to contaminate the site and mix up the strata or something. So the error isn't dating via strata, the error is ignoring blatantly obvious evidence in front of one that contradicts established (scientific) dogma. Confronted with a find like that, the scientists in question most definitely shouldn't be assuming anything about the ages of any of the bones. Multiple dating techniques should be applied to them all, and if they can't agree, then something is seriously wrong with one or more assumptions or beliefs about dating or the creatures in question, and the scientists involved should say so.
[update: The previous reply I made was to the last copied post (which was addressing a different John), which I didn't realize was a copy of someone else's post, not actually addressed to me, until I read through some of the thread and found the article. I have, therefore, removed both my copy of it and my reply.]
This has been fascinating reading, I must say. But I found a tidbit that you might not like so much (from Peter Borger):
Chris ,
Spetner's figures refer to point mutations, which are irrelevant for evolution anyway. The measured point mutations in bacterial cells generally lower than one in a million, indeed. However, they shuffle their genomes almost every generation. They are in a constant state of flux: they loose genes, duplicate genes and translocate genes. That is muations as well.
For human mtDNA, the usual tool for genetic studies changes so immensely fast that if we look at the mutations in the HV region (which is assumed neutral) we observed that humans, chimps, bonobos and neandertalers all have a common ancestor around 150 thousand years ago. Variability inducing mutations (by jumping genetic elements and repetitive sequences) can also be assumed neutral and occur with high incidences, too. The RFLP techniques in use by forensic investigaors are based on this phenomeneon and are able to discriminate between father and son.
peebee
So when Peter Borger says that life is not old, he's still thinking in terms of at least hundreds of thousands of years, and perhaps millions of years, as opposed to hundreds of millions or a billion years in the Darwinistic model. This still isn't demonstrating only 6,000 years of life (but what I've read so far doesn't necessarily discount 6,000 years of modern humanity).
I'll keep reading... good stuff!