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Microwaves turn kitchen cloths into germ killers
Two minutes in the microwave can kill 99 per cent of the germs harboured by kitchen sponges, scientists have found.
Dishcloths and sponges are known to breed microbes such as E. coli and salmonella, that can cause potentially lethal food poisoning.
But researchers in the U.S. have found that the microwave is an effective weapon against them.
Gabriel Bitton, professor of environmental engineering at the University of Florida, said: 'Basically what we find is that we can knock out most bacteria in two minutes.
'People often put their sponges and scrubbers in the dishwasher but if they really want to decontaminate them and not just clean them, they should use the microwave.'
The scientists soaked sponges and scrubbing pads in untreated wastewater containing 'a witch's brew of faecal bacteria, viruses, protozoan parasites and bacterial spores including Bacillus cereus spores which are quite resistant to radiation, heat and toxic chemicals, and are notoriously difficult to kill'.
They also used bacterial viruses as substitutes for disease-causing viruses, such as hepatitis A.
Then they used a microwave oven to zap the sponges and scrub pads for varying lengths of time, wringing them out and checking for microbes after each test.
The results were unambiguous. Two minutes of microwaving on full power mode killed or inactivated more than 99 per cent of all the living pathogens in the sponges and pads.
Dr. Clark actually recommends three minutes, but I find that, unless the sponge is sopping wet, three minutes is a good way to actually cause some sponges to catch fire... *grin* Burning sponge smell does not dissipate rapidly!
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- So, what does that prove? jayson
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So, does that prove that Faciolopsis buskii (misspelled by Hulda, a liver fluke found only in SE Asia and which must have a portion of its life cycle outside a body) exist?
I've been nuking my dish rags for years. Should I now go write a book that tells people the cures for all their diseases? Does that make me qualified to do that?
- Re: So, what does that prove? John Cullison
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MoreThis is a reply to # 824,779Nope. Just a simple fact. As a bonus, pointing it out annoys the more insecure of Clark's detractors.
As with anything, proof of one piece of a body of knowledge does not prove the entire body of work as valid. Nuking the sponge does not prove that the synchrometer works, or that zapping works, or that flukes are among us, or anything else.
The only thing it really shows is that she's not 100% wrong. No one is, but you'd be hard pressed to find a detractor who understands that fact, whether anti-Clark or anti-anything-else, really.
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- Where's the fluke? jayson
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"The only thing it really shows is that she's not 100% wrong. No one is, but you'd be hard pressed to find a detractor who understands that fact, whether anti-Clark or anti-anything-else, really."
I've never said she's 100% wrong. I bought her book years ago before I knew anything about her. It didn't take me much reading to discover that she's nuts. The infamous Faciolopsis buskii (which she misspells) and claims is in every cancer (and many other North American human ailments) is the most preposterous thing that one can imagine. I'm a 14 year cancer survivor without every having had it removed and by her idiot (there is no other valid word) scam, I should be swimming in them. I'm not. I've done a multitude of cleanse and never dispelled a parasite of any kind. The Faciolopsis buskii has never been found in a cancer patient in North America! Yet her followers believe every word that proceedeth out of her mouth.
She claims a cure for cancer, yet her own brother died of cancer after she treated him.
She's a scam artist making mega bucks off of her followers.
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- Re: Where's the fluke? John Cullison
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The infamous Faciolopsis buskii (which she misspells) and claims is in every cancer (and many other North American human ailments) is the most preposterous thing that one can imagine.
Then you really don't have much of an imagination.
She's a scam artist making mega bucks off of her followers.
Megabucks? Megabucks? Clark? Here's where you prove your own bias. I defy you to show me where Clark has made "megabucks" off of her "followers".
- Re: Where's the fluke? finallyfaith
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i am not "anti clark" or anything. her writings on parasites have definitely helped me.
but i do believe she has made a lot of money off her books, her supplements, and her gizmos. and really, i don't have a problem with it as long as they are resonably priced, thats called capitalism.
i know MH has ranted about her "making millions" or somthing, but then again MH rants about a lot of things and his "facts" can be a bit imaginary at times.
my basic point is, even if she has made a lot of money - so what? if she helps people get healthy, she deserves to, thats what i say.- Re: Where's the fluke? John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 824,973Hmmm... I have purchased... exactly one of her books.
I have purchased none of her supplements or gizmos.
I'm not interested in beliefs about how much money she makes or doesn't. The claim of "megabucks" was made. To me, megabucks is somewhere in the vicinity of Chevron's quarterly profits. Heck, we can even go lower than that, let's just try with any given televangelist makes. I'll even accept photographs of the exhorbitant mansion she lives in and court records showing that she owns the property in question. Or the Leer jet she uses to make her escape when the authorities come a-knockin'.
You know, tangible evidence.
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- Re: Where's the fluke? finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 825,001why?
i dont follow the logic that says that if clark has made a lot of money off her books her supplement, her seminars, etc. that that somehow "discredits her character"?
why would it?
like i say, i have no problem with her making money, as long as her products and services are reasonably priced. she has written books that help people and convey info that no one else was writing about, she deserves to make money for that.
what do you live on, air? i am sure you do some type of job that you belive is useful to people, should you not get paid for that?
the real questions is - has she really made millions or not? and i can confidently say i don't know for sure.Advertisement
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- Re: Where's the fluke? John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 825,013I agree with you. I have no problem with her earning a living.
Jayson's claim, however, was that Clark is a scam artist, making megabucks off her followers. Thus, I challenged him. Where are the megabucks?- Re: Where's the fluke? jayson
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"Jayson's claim, however, was that Clark is a scam artist, making megabucks off her followers. Thus, I challenged him. Where are the megabucks?"
You only challenged me on the megabucks, so that means you agree that she's a scam artist. Anyone who says that you have a fluke in your cancer and that they can cure it, is a scam artist! Especially when they have not a single documented 'cure.'
- Re: Where's the fluke? finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 825,034do you know that she has made a lot of money off her books, etc? how so?
- Re: Where's the fluke? jayson
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"do you know that she has made a lot of money off her books, etc? how so?"
In one of my earlier posts I mentioned that her books and gadgets are peanuts. I don't think she has made a lot on those, though I do think it would be significant. The money is in her clinics. There is one in Mexico, Switzerland, and I believe she is in line to open or has opened clinics in several other countries as well. The books just provided publicity for her clinics.
Here is a portion of the disclaimer at her Information Center web site (my italics added):
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- Re: Where's the fluke? finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 825,057and? so she has to have a bunch of legalize disclaimers because it is now a crime to suggest that herbs can cure diseases. yup, its a shame that only man made chemicals gnerated in a lab can be marketed as cures, nothing else can by law be claimed to treat diseases. its a real shame.
i don't see how that puts hulda in a bad light, however.
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- Re: Where's the fluke? John Cullison
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Nice try, Jayson, but this isn't a court of law, and I don't have to answer all your charges.
If you really believe what you just said, then you're so far below possessing any reasoning ability that there really isn't any hope for you.
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"The infamous Faciolopsis buskii (which she misspells) and claims is in every cancer (and many other North American human ailments) is the most preposterous thing that one can imagine."
"Then you really don't have much of an imagination."
I have no idea in the world what you are talking about. If you mean that the fluke exists only in Hulda's imagination, then you are right. Cancers have and still are being removed and diagnosed on a daily basis. This has been going on for decades. The fluke she alludes to is more than two inches long. Yet not one, nary a single fluke, has ever been found in North America. Is that because science doesn't have "much of an imagination?"
"Megabucks? Megabucks? Clark? Here's where you prove your own bias. I defy you to show me where Clark has made "megabucks" off of her "followers"."
My bias? Its just the facts, its just the facts. The books and gadgets are peanuts, but by simple computation of her fees in Mexico and the number of people who run through there each year, she is making millions.
Hulda Clark has not cured one case of clinically diagnosed cancer. Not one. I have! (But just one.)
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"Do you have her fee schedule available that you can post?"
What is below, is from Quack Watch. However, a person with whom I was in communication with three or four years ago, spent $12,000 in Mexico during a two weeks period for Hulda's treatments (not including motel and food), and they still wanted to do more but she couldn't afford it. Recognize that this is American dollars, and the Mexican pay scale, even for professionals is a fraction of what it is here. By the way, this person was personally diagnosed by Hulda on her witch hunt machine and declared to have had cancer. (No other medical professional ever made a similar diagnosis.) Hulda's 'treatment' 'cured' the cancer. Keep in mind also, that she has licensed clinics in other parts of the world too - so, it isn't just her books and gadgets and Mexico, she's got bucks coming in from all over.
from Quack Watch:
For several years, Clark's treatment has been administered at Century Nutrition, a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico, where the basic fee for two weeks of "treatment" was $4,500 (plus 10% tax). This figure did not include the cost of a motel room (approximately $210/week); meals ($250/week); blood tests ($70 each); standard diagnostic imaging tests ($40 to $400); dental x-rays (at least $206); "individually tailored" supplements ($400 to $1,500 for a month supply); equipment (about $350); tooth extractions ($80 each); and partial or full dentures ($450).
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without knowing if this fee schedule is accurate, without knowing exactly what products and services these fees include, and without knowing the cure rate of hulda's clinic, its absolutley impossible to conclude whether or not these fee or too high or too low.
for note - i met someone who was poisoned by benzene from a jet fuel fire. he suffered brain impairment and nervous order disfunctions. went to MANY docs, they could not help him. he went to hulda's clinic, and got 80 - 85% better. NO ONE else could help him mind you, she helped him. he also met many there who had been cured of cancer. so i know for a fact her clinics do help people.- Re: Where's the fluke? jayson
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"without knowing if this fee schedule is accurate, without knowing exactly what products and services these fees include, and without knowing the cure rate of hulda's clinic, its absolutley impossible to conclude whether or not these fee or too high or too low."
The person I was in communication with, spent $12,000 in her Mexican clinic in two weeks. Too high or too low? Have you been to Mexico? Have you spent any money on a dentist or a doctor down there? I know a guy who got a set of false teeth down there for under $100, and they were pretty good. Comparable up here if I remember right was more than $500. If Hulda's getting 100 customers a week, she's making a bundle and from what I understand, that number isn't too wild.
"for note - i met someone who was poisoned by benzene from a jet fuel fire. he suffered brain impairment and nervous order disfunctions. went to MANY docs, they could not help him. he went to hulda's clinic, and got 80 - 85% better. NO ONE else could help him mind you, she helped him. he also met many there who had been cured of cancer. so i know for a fact her clinics do help people."
I agree that for clearing toxins our medical community in the USA are pretty lame. It's her "cure for all disease" that's caused by a South East Asian fluke that I puke at.
Hulda does not have one documented cancer cure. Her brother, after being treated by Hulda, died of cancer. The person that I was in communication with who went her clinic was convinced after Hulda's diagnosis (and no one else) that she had cancer! All those that you speak of who were 'cured' of cancer could easily have been 'diagnosed' by Hulda. She is sweet and charming. She is a typical con artist. That's what the person who I mentioned earlier said, how warm and sweet Hulda was, and she just 'knew' a person like that couldn't lie.
I'm still looking for her first documented cancer cured case.
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- Re: Where's the fluke? jayson
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- Re: Where's the fluke? John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 825,032So no, you don't have the fee schedule; instead, you have QuackWatch's assertions about what Clark charges, plus the hearsay of an acquaintance.
This is an acquaintance who allegedly went to Clark's place, without cancer, to seek treatment, ... and paid $12,000... and more... to be... cured of... what, precisely? Was the ailment this person went in for addressed or not? The "cancer" was allegedly "cured", I get that. If the person didn't actually have cancer, but was so diagnosed, and then was magically cured of something that he didn't actually have, I would agree that this was a scam, pure and simple. But what I want to know is what was this person originally going in for, and did Clark's efforts help at all?
Personally, I find the whole clinic setup silly. You either follow the directions or you don't, and you don't need to go to a clinic to follow the directions. But some people want to have their hands held, I guess... And "treating" people who aren't willing to make the changes necessary to eliminate the causative factors behind whatever ails them [think of an alcoholic who won't stop pickling his own liver] is a recipe for "scam" claims, because health isn't something one can have forced on one's self.
BTW, what are these other clinics you speak of? As far as I know, she only has the one in Tiajuana. Names, places, other details, please. And some proof if you actually have it.Advertisement
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- Re: Where's the fluke? finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 825,059i dont think clinics are a bad idea, some people are not in a position to help themselves. the man i knew who went to huldas clinic was in dire straights. he was nearly non-functional, with serious brain impairments. he NEEDED someone to hold his hand and spoonfeed him the medicine, etc. people with life threatening diseases may need more than a book and a website and some tinctures. its about offering support.
- Re: Where's the fluke? John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 825,066OK, I can see your point. In such a position myself, maybe I'd feel the same way.
Support definitely costs money.
Compared to a hospital visit, Clark's prices from QuackWatch are relatively cheap.
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This is a reply to # 824,965According to court records, Clark's books alonehave generated over $7 million in sales - and that does not include her "treatments" for all the patients diagnosed with cancer or HIV or whatever with her "synchrometer".
She screwed the pooch when she used the synchrometer to diagnose an undercover investigator for the Indiana Department of Health with HIV, then told him that a 3 mintute zapper treatment had cured him, but that he would have to come back for 6 more treatments to keep it from returning.
When she found out he was an agents, Clark told him that her earlier information was a mistake.
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This is a reply to # 824,959The fluke is that she has made so much money bilking innocent people out of so much money with her bogus crap.
“But nothing is more estimable than a physician who, having studied nature from his youth, knows the properties of the human body, the diseases which assail it, the remedies which will benefit it, exercises his art with caution, and pays equal attention to the rich and the poor.”
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You mean she got something right? Take a look at ALL of her claims. What a hoot!
If she were scored on correct answers like a math exam, she would have flunked out long ago.
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