Traetment of NASH 
george707
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MoreHallo
i have non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (fatty liver and increased liver transaminases) and in a few days i will have my new ozonator sent.
How can i use ozonated water and/or olive oil to help me with this condition ?
Is oil better or would water be enough ?
What should be the doses i start with and up to where can i build up to ?
Thanks in advance for your help.- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 819,465hi george707
If I were you , I would start with a Liver Flush according to Dr Hulda Clark if you have not done this yet. The liver cannot process fats adequately if the ducts are plugged with stones and chaff. Read about it at:
//www.curezone.org/clark/liver.asp
hope this helps
paul- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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This is a reply to # 819,477Thanks for the reply,but i think the Liver Flush is too drastic for me and seems too dangerous under the circumstances (too big pieces might close the gallbladder pipes) to try.
This is why i'm going to try the ozone therapy,i want something less drastic,dangerous,something that will take more time.- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
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MoreThis is a reply to # 819,645Hi george707
I understand your concern about plugging the pipes but I would like to say for the record that I've done oxidative therapies for over 15 years including H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) and ozone, but when I did my first liver flush, I painlessly passed a 1 inch diameter stone and a whole lot of smaller ones. My metabolism of fats increased thereafter dramatically.
Newport is also on to a very valid point about making sure the ileum (ileocecal valve) is functioning properly. You can read about it at:
http://www.energybalancing.com/selfeval/ileocecal.html
just a thought or two
Paul
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- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
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- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
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This is a reply to # 819,465So what was the diagnosed reason for this?
I am asking because it reminds me of a chapter on ileum issues I once read where the continued bacterial overgrowth in the SI created so much by products (alcohol) as to damage the liver just like it would happen if drinking.
How is your intestinal function and digestion?
- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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This is a reply to # 819,814The reason was my foolish overconsumpiton of calories and fats in order to increase my competitive weight as an athlete.
I went from a completely clean liver to a fatty liver within a couple of years (as shown from before and after ultrasound exams).
My digestion is fine and always was,because i always consumed a large amount of fiber (300 grams of oatmeal per day for at least the past 10 years) and there never was an overabundance of toxins from either drug use or environmental factors.
So this has created a vicious cycle of fatty liver---> high cholesterol--->fatty liver that i'm trying to break.
I'm on cholesterol medications trying to lower my LDL but these mediactions seem to stress my liver even more.
I'd be glad if ozone therapy with oil and water could decrease the liver inflammation but if it could help reduce the fat deposits in the liver it would be a real blessing as i would no longer need the cholesterol meds too (my doctor told me that once cholesterol is reduced the liver fat will start reducing).
So how can ozone help me ,by what means (water,oil,dosages etc) and what do you think about my situation ?
Thank you very much for your help.- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
17 y
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This is a reply to # 819,893No roids, makes no difference anyhow just wondering...
Well, once again no diagnoses just what I would do:
- start coffee enemas, best to get stuff from
http://www.sawilsons.com
This site also has docs and research on why this is the simplest way
to detox you liver
- add MSM, see my profile for dosage. MSM together with ozone helps to break up peroxides in your liver it will also neutralize any mercury that may be stored in your liver (over time)
- add the usual Vit-C and Milk Thistle to help liver function
- stay way from all fats that can be turned into cholesterol, ozoneman pointed me to the book “The Cholesterol Conspiracy” worth getting
- sometimes even after all that you still get some liver swelling, try basic allergy pills, Benadryl or something like it that has only a 2-4 hour duration is a good test to see if it helps. Sometimes 3-4 days on allergy pills is enough to remove the swelling and get back to normal
All that said, ozoneman is most likely right, and a Liver Flush may help but the coffee enemas are already a mild Liver Flush so it’s a good start…
- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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This is a reply to # 819,908No performance enhancing drugs of any kind,i always was afraid to even take meds for pain and inflammation when injured.
I wish it was steroids,i 'd know the excact cause and once i'd stop that it would make things so much easier...
My fatty liver was not created by toxic stress,but from cholesterol and fats in the diet.
I always was very careful with my diet and am even more now.
I do take vitamin c,e ,milk thistle and ala.
Will ozone help with the detox ?
I'll follow all the links you give me.
I value all the advice you give me in this site,thank you very much.
- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
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This is a reply to # 819,968Ozone and MSM have the ability to regulate your liver peroxides which is an important part of having your liver function properly.
I'll give you the same advice that my Naturopath gave me years ago, take $500 of liver supplements or do a $0.70 coffee enema. There is NOTHING that will detox a liver faster than that, and yes a fatty liver by definition toxic. How it got there is irrelevant and most likely not based on a single issue anyhow. It is far more likely that there is something else underlying the whole issue and the addition of oxidized fats simply made it far worse.
My travel took me from a fatty, overlarge liver to allergies to digestion issues to IBS to ileum to Crohn’s to excess toxicity to parasite. So really the parasite caused excess toxicity which made the liver dump to much toxin which irritated the ileum which caused allergies and IBS (Crohn’s) and the poor liver needed to try and balance all that out for decades.
I am not saying you are the same, I am saying be open minded be your own doctor and realize that diagnosis like fatty liver from cholesterol are pretty much worthless. After all this is from the same quacks that have been telling us to eat the wrong fats for 35 years and only this year saw the light…
- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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This is a reply to # 819,994I understand very well what you're saying about being my own doctor and never trusting doctors 100%.
I will try the enema.
For now ,i'll try one thing at a time though,and the next is to try the ozone first.
I have to see each step's value and my body's reaction to it and i can only do this if i add one thing at a time.If i stop the meds,start the ozone and coffee enemas,add msm,do cleanses ,i won't be able to tell which did what.
The sure thing is that i really appreciate and value your opinion and will keep all of these recommendations in mind.Every 2 months or so i'll be adding something new to the mix and see how my body reacts (i have blood tests every 2 months).And then i'll tell you my experience as well !
Right now, after the ozone,i think the next thing to try in a couple of months will be the coffee enemas.Many people sware by them and there must be a reason.
Thank you.- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
17 y
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This is a reply to # 820,163Good move, better to know what works and what doesn't but I would add MSM and Ozone at the same time.
Even Ed in "Flood Your Body with Oxygen" calls for MSM, this is because Ozone can help your liver create more peroxides but the lack of MSM (sulfur) or any mercury in your system (uses sulfur to neutralize) will disallow the destruction of peroxides since the sulfur isn't available.
Even the ratio of MSM in my profile came from "Flood Your Body with Oxygen"
//www.curezone.org/books/best/categoryx.asp?CAT=962
- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
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- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
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- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
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This is a reply to # 819,893Hi george707
I think I'm getting a clearer picture of what i feel is happening with you. I'm glad you mentioned you were athletic. I think this is the key.
The research of Dr Ladd McNamarra clearly states that LDL cholesterol is oxidized cholesterol caused by inadequate antioxidants in the blood stream to combat the oxidation of HDL. This being the case, extreme exertion produces free radicals and peroxide radicals that can in turn oxidize cholesterol in the blood stream, causing fatty build up. Simple increased intake of powerful antioxidants would not only have helped in the reduction of cholesterol oxidation, but also would have given the muscles of the body more stamina during intense exercise and the reduction of production of free radicals. It makes sense at least to me that since the liver is the filter, that much of this oxidized fat from the blood stream would end up in the liver of an athlete rather than on the arteries as it usually happens. I personally feel that ozone would be counterproductive at this time until the antioxidant levels of the body are increased, to begin to decrease the amount of fatty build-up. you would just end up with more oxidized fats. Get off the statin drugs immediately. They will hurt you. This isn't me talking, this is Dr McNamarra.
hope this helps
Paul- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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This is a reply to # 819,923The fatty deposits are , i think, definitely on a decline.I've lost 15% of bodyweight since diagnosed, all of it from fat (as shown by fat measurements),decreased my belly fat a lot, and will soon have my new ultrasound to verify it.
All markers (alt,ast,alp,iron,ferritine,cgt) have improved tremendously but alt,ast are still not normal.
I do take a lot of antioxidants (2 grams vit c,glutamin,vit e,milk thistle,ala,cod liver oil,lecithin,curcumin,cayenne pepper) and really don't think there's an excess of free radicals in my body.
Would this make me ready for ozone therapy ?- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
17 y
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This is a reply to # 819,978hi george707
Sounds like you are on the right track, and yes if the fat is reducing through antioxidant intake, then go for the ozone therapy. It will certainly help the body detox. I've just recently discovered goji berries. They're packed with natural antioxidants. They may be helpful. You can find them in dried form from a number of vendors on E-bay at reasonable cost. The vendors also have good info on what one can expect from eating them.
hope this helps,
paul- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
17 y
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This is a reply to # 820,006It seems like you have a lot of experience with ozone.
What are the first things that will tell me ozone starts working positively or negatively ?
I mean, if i start tomorrow with a couple of glasses of water per day and it's good for me what will i start feeling ? Conversely,if like you've said in a former post it starts oxidizing fat and being counterproductive,how will my body show me ?
I'm looking for the very first signs of deterioration so that i won't go on using it or the very first signs of improvement that will tell me i'm on the right track.
Thanks for your help !- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
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This is a reply to # 820,155hi george707
I feel that bodily reactions to ozonated water depend on toxicity. If there is an abundance of microorganisms and toxins present in the body, then herxheimer reactions can happen with the use of ozonated water as die-off occurs-headache,irritability,joint pain,upset stomach, listlessness, grogginess etc These will be temporary and pass quickly if the therapy is continued. Other more positive results can be increased mental clarity, ease of elimination, increased energy and stamina. Depending on your condition either scenario can occur and the effects will be quite noticeable one way or the other. As for oxidized fats, be aware of color of urine and mucous in stools. Dark urine is an indication of the body throwing off what it no longer needs. this can be excess vitamins/minerals as well as oxidized microorganisms/toxins. The body builds cholesterol as a reaction to inflammation. If insufficient antioxidants is causing cholesterol formation and this cholesterol is being oxidized, I would expect that some of it will show up as mucous in the stool.
I would suggest if you're worried about it, take it slowly and increase your intake of ozonated water gradually so you can evaluate your progress one thing at a time.
hope this helps
Paul- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
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This is a reply to # 820,953Ok,so let me see if i get this correctly : mental clarity,increased energy and stamina are of course good and show ozone works well andi should go on using it.
Joint aches,headache,upset stomach show ozone works too and is destroying toxins and i should contitiue until they stop (which means excess toxins are gone).
And dark urine and mucous in the stool might tell me ozone is making things worse and i should stop ?
I plan to start with 2 glasses of water per day,one in the morning and one in the evening.Is this ok for starters ? And should i add the oil or not ?
Please forgive my too many questions,but i really have to know what i'm doing.Ozone seems too powerful and i want to do good and no harm to myself.
Either way,i'll keep in touch and tell you what i feel when i start (any day now i'll receive my ozonator).Your help is priceless !- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
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This is a reply to # 821,142Hi george707
I think you have a pretty good comprehension of what may happen when you introduce ozone. The only part it seems to me you're just a little foggy on is the part about the urine and stools. This is not necessarily an indication that ozone is doing bad things to the body, but rather an indication of a lack of antioxidants in the diet and/or release of toxins.
I don't think you will see any dramatic results from 2 glasses of ozonated water a day, but it's a good place to start slow to verify what you're body is telling you about this therapy. Slow is good.
By asking about oil, are you asking about ozonated oil or about omega 3, 6 and 9 essential fatty acids from good oils? If you're talking about ozonated oils, I would hold off until you get a feel for what the ozonated water is doing. Ozonated oils work much more slowly in the body than ozonated water because the ozonides take far longer to release their nascent oxygen. I feel that a teaspoon to a tablespoon of essential fatty acids from oils like flax, pumpkin, borage, and olive or quality fish oils should be ingested daily to combat the bad trans fats that are in practically every processed food. Avoid all hydrogenated oils and Genetically-Modified-Organisms oils like canola. These are the ones that are easily oxidized and become bad cholesterol. It's good to become an avid label reader.
I'd like to hear about your progress. Good luck and keep looking for information!
cheers,
paul- Re: Traetment of NASH george707
17 y
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This is a reply to # 821,369Thank you for clearing things up.
I do avoid all saturated fats,trans fats because i know they're poison.
I also take a tablespoon of cod liver oil a day and also consume pumpkin seeds (as a snack) and have olive oil in my diet every day.
My question was about ozonated olive oil.Thanks for clearing things up there too.- Re: Traetment of NASH-You're welcome... ozoneman 17 y 2,564
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- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
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- Re: Traetment of NASH newport
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This is a reply to # 819,465One of my original issues was the liver dumping to much toxin into the gallblader then this volume was not properly tied up and dumped still toxic into the ileum.
Kojaku is a water soluble fiber that allows full absorbtion of nutrients yet seems to work the opposite for toxins, lots of studies have been done for beneficial effect of this from cholesterol to diabetes.
At the very least it will add some soft fiber to your diet and hopefully help to extract some of the toxins from your liver.
http://www.konjacfoods.com/index.htm
- Re: Traetment of NASH ozoneman
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