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I posted an earlier thread and the term "karma" and forgiveness side-tracked the point I was trying to convey. I was trying to focus on more scientific ideas like quantum mechanics and vibrations (this could be related to the idea that time does not exist, only the present exists and the past and future are "here and now", and that everything is connected).
so I will attempt to re-ask the question...
Could one's present or future change the past?
As an example, someone has a bad childhood and at the age of 30 robs/murders another person. Most would say that the person's hard life led to his robbing and murdering. However maybe the harming of another person at 30 sent bad vibrations back to his childhood and negatively influenced his past.
Maybe the past is continually changing, based on what we do in the present and future... ?????
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There is no such thing as time - or space. So, a "bad" childhood and robbing and murder 30 years later are all happening at the same time. Karma is created in the childhood, and karma is created in the murder/robbery.
Yes, I responded to your earlier question with the response that you have to forgive all karma, and that's still true. You can't logicize your way out of it!
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This is a reply to # 810,461I don't believe in your religious conclusion concerning Jesus and forgiveness, nor does Jesus/forgiveness have anything to do with the question. Thus my attempt to redirect the discussion into this new thread.
I in fact am trying to "logicize" the topic as you said. You see this logic as a negative trait and seek to redirect the discussion back to Jesus and to to forgo logic and submit to your Jesus preaching.
Jesus and forgiveness have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.- Re: Can the future or present change... jayson
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"Jesus and forgiveness have absolutely nothing to do with the topic."
Perhaps Jesus doesn't, but forgiveness does. Jesus brought forgiveness to the planet to end the karma game. The only way off the planet, the only way to escape karma, is to forgive others, and even more importantly, to forgive yourself. Until you begin to understand and identify yourself as spirit, you will be stuck in a body until the end of the earth. Spirit doesn't use logic. Bodies do. You are in an infinite loop, on a body level. You can escape your loop by recognizing yourself as spirit.
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Yes, the time travelers can
Geez beam me up Scotty
here are some links
More importantly
there is no right and wrong
I Am prostrate
http://www.ramtha.org
http://www.time-travelers.org
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This is a reply to # 810,471True, there is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" - however, there is one rule that we each agreed to abide by when we took a body in this reality and that is - to not invade the space of another person. It is summarized on a body level as The Golden Rule which originates out of many belief systems and religions.
Jesus gave an example of space invasion when he gave the illustration "..if you lust after a woman in your heart, you have committed adultery already." Jesus was a Jewish comedian, an early George Jessel. In this illustration he wasn't giving some ethic or the teaching of a right or a wrong, he was simply saying that whatever you think you are doing, as spirit, you are doing it. If you wish another person dead, you have committed murder. When you "hate your brother" (anyone on the planet), you have committed murder. If you wish ill of another person, you have invaded their space. It's that simple. It's what creates karma.
When asked what the greatest "law" was in the law and the prophets (all the sacred writings of his day) he replied: "To love the lord thy god with all thy heart and soul and to love thy neighbor as thyself, for this is the law and the prophets." Here he reiterated what you have said, that there is no such thing as right or wrong (the law and the prophets is filled with dos and don'ts), but he also stated the law of the planet, to love your neighbor as yourself. And the purveyors of ethics totally ignore the second part of that quote which is - to love yourself. If you don't love yourself, it is impossible to love your neighbor. It is impossible to treat your neighbor with respect because you are not treating yourself with respect.
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This is a reply to # 810,736Yes you are ABSOLUTELY correct
One cannot do more for another than
they can do for themselves
And we do agree to
follow the Golden Rule
or Not
But (maybe this is what you mean?)
We cannot subvert Universal Law
It is in action at all times
Hence Karma
We can be free of Karma
if we do not cling
to any guilt
of past "wrong doings"
But, it seems, our
biology does not permit us
to completely lose our memory everyday
or we would not get to work
be able to drive
pay our bills
So it behooves us
all to do the
best we can for one another
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This is a reply to # 810,786The only law that I'm aware of while in this reality, is the Golden Rule. While in this reality my focus is on grounding and getting myself as spirit into my body and playing the letting go of karma game, both in the physical Earth plane and its companion astral plane. When I complete those cycles, then I'll address whatever else needs to be accomplished on my return to god.- Re: Can the future or present change... babsbiltmore
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This is a reply to # 810,844Oh yes
I wish your good will
God's Will
or
God's Will
your good will
:}
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This is a reply to # 810,457Yeah, so, a person has an undergraduate degree in biology and later studies medicine to be come an MD.
I'd be curious as to your theories, as to acts this person might take in their future, to make the diplomas on their wall disappear, the knowledge they have in their minds will blank, and all the lives of others they saved since graduation will be undone.
- Re: Can the future or present change... babsbiltmore
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This is a reply to # 811,174Yes, I agree
didn't you read my more
basic
get up and drive
without memory?
Except there is a possibility
that once the vibrtions are high enough
one doesn't need a car anymore
Ever read masters of the Far East
by Spaulding?
Ibelieve from the sporting equipment family?
I ran into that one in 1983
My my was in the hospital with cancer and it was in her possession
from a friend
I inherited it(them)
There are 6 books
have you run into it?- Re: Can the future or present change... #68716
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This is a reply to # 811,182Thanks. No, I have not run into it.
Just curious, why do you write what appears to be in verse, but without rhyme ?
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I wrote a lot of poetry
with drofinnah who rarely steps out of
the AA forum anymore
God is simply
Law of the Universe
and always
creative
filling her void
with love of creation
There is no right or
wrong, only more
of what we wish
upon ourself
If it seems bitter
harsh or lacking
soak yourself
in natures bath
relax all muscles
breathe
This too shall pass
It is an illusion
as will you and I
It is a long
end game
Like a puppy
playing with her pack
There is nothing here
to see or do that
is not exactly
what the doctor
ordered
No good, no bad
Only Love
If there is something
else besides
it is karma
You can opt out(karma)
as soon as you realize
that there is no past
except, perhaps
as
a loving anchor?
There is no future
being present
now, is the glory
of it all
There can be no loneliness
No right or wrong
have enough love
to offer a hand when needed
(it will be you
who neesds it
next time)
A shoulder, if needed
If you are strong
carry those who need you
Next time you will be weak
If you think sex is love
While it is a creative force
love is patient
and respectful
if your overature is not
reevaluate the
space
If you are laughing
and the rest are crying
there is not much
anyone can do for it
you're God
But there will be a disconnect
in all your endeavors
since you are not
really connected
except in a sociopathic
sense
of your
own "well-being"
We all learn
when we do
how we do
Pick a puppy pack
who has heart
Life is long lived
in complaint
Maybe longer lived
in Joy,
But not with a God
that is bludgeoning
you into insensibility
of compliance
Not lying of others
behind the scenes
to get some
illusion of control
Someone will catch you
when it is your turn to fall
as you surely will
if you are able to
do the same-And do it
There is no one but you
looking at you
with God looking
over your shoulder
Are you delightful?
This one's for you!!
Thanks for asking
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This is a reply to # 811,174The concept isn't evil or negative in itself. There does seem to be a lot of resentment towards the idea though.
Several ideas of consciousness float around this site, and if you take a few of them, put them together... like the concept that time does not exist, everything is "now", everything is connected, vibrations have a ripple effect, the law of attraction, etc... so it's not a stretch that the "future" could have an influence on the "past", the future could change the past. So perhaps the past is continually changing (along with our present interpretation of the past). So our memory continually changes as we do things that influence our past but we only know what is "now" because the old "past" was erased and overwritten by the new vibrations of the now. Does that make sense?
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Not really. I apologize, I can't follow that thought. But, thank you for writing that, I appreciate it. I tend to think of my daughter having won the relay race last spring as pretty much set in stone and an immutable event. The trophy on her shelf is testimony to it. In fact, my daughter herself is testimony of an event about 14 years ago, that did in fact occur on a certain day.
If the past were mutable, then many parents would probably have gotten rid of some of their kids long ago. Not me though.- Re: Can the future or present change... babsbiltmore
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This is a reply to # 811,288They would not have gotten rid of them,just "changed" them to etter suit ...whatever the resisitance was...in their own lives
Did you know the hindus believe we pick our parents for some experience or past karmic reason
that one sent me for a loop
heheheh
But as it turns out they both added their particular stroke to the
painting that is ME!
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This is a reply to # 811,274OK, how about this. If future and past are connected, then, would it be necessary for a person who wishes to peek into the future first need to have the ability to see the past ? Even the past which is unknown to them ?
Or, would they need to be able to see the future, before they would be able to see the past ?
More likely, in my view, they would need to be able to see the present, before they could see either the past or future.
I tend to see the future very regularly for quite some time, but cannot control it with the precision I would like; rather, it just comes when it wants to. There are no patches of the past associated with it, but rather only patches of the present. I do believe that he who controls the present, controls the past, and that he who controls the past, controls the future.- Re: Can the future or present change... babsbiltmore
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How about there isno past
it is gone
there isno furuture
since you are not there
all you have is now
if you are the present of
today
you are the gift
of tomorrow
Poetry in motion, :}- Re: Can the future or present change... #68716
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This is a reply to # 811,835I think that is right
and the future is what
we make it
if we are empowered
with future-making ability
but some cannot create
some only consume
like leeches on a shark
while others destroy
if only in their own minds
what the empowered create
theirs are acts of hatred
Love is creation.
How am I doing ?
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This is a reply to # 811,842Your illusion of control
of a future date
is just that
Perhaps one can have intent for the future
and one then has to let go of how the form
The form may be different than the "Goal"
Do you know HOW MANY TIMES
I got what I asked for?
But (that word again) since the form was
not what I imagined, I discarded it
But, then again, if I subscribe to my own belief
then this is perfect too
heheheheh
NOW, at this point
I just want
what is wanted for me
by a some-times illusive soul
I bow to the God of goodyear
in you
From the God
of the Realm
in me
I've confused myself
with myself
I am laughing
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An interesting question to which numerous mental concepts can apply.. Here is one.
If you are truely here now and there is no past or future then you experience time as now so then this would be "no time" correct? The memories of the past are thought of in the now and thinking or seeing the future is done in the now. So in reality (if we even dare assume we know reality) past and future don't even exist except as we give them consciousness and this happens now. So how can time even be real and all it encompasses of past,future to this present moment? The Now is timelessness now. So is it possible to think that past and future are not connected to the Now at all? So what if the only time we bring "time" to reality is now? It is still "now" not past or future. So then changing the past would be impossible as it already is now and the future doesn't exist except when we think about it now. So debth of consciousness for lack of better words can define our reality and its relationship in using time as reference, but it still happens now. Just because we remember what happened in a past "now" doesn't mean we have the means to change it as we already created it or at least we think we have. So then as we see "now" what the future may become with its many probabilities because of our conscious or unconscious choices (where or what we give our attention to creates our reality) then can one see that the use of "time now" is really our "Grace Period" before energy becomes matter? I don't think everything we think becomes our reality. If so then our experience would be more chaos than it already is. However what we "HOLD"in consciousness or from unconsciousness conditioning can become our reality. If one thinks about(or better yet experiences) the absolute reality as timeless and now then how could anything but the absolute be real anyway? So none of this is real lol. So perhaps that is what we need to remember. This was fun thanks for the question!
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