Debate and the moreless forum 
Tyler Durden
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(This is regarding the moreless forum and the somewhat stifling of debate taking place on the rest of the site; if this doesn't concern you please disregard this message) I as well as a number of others use the alkalizing drink with success and find it to be a fantastic tool for healing, so I'm grateful for it and to the person who brought it to Curezone. Nonetheless a kind of trend seems to be taking place that IMO is counterproductive to what the site should be all about. Many of us find truth in the alkalizing principles yet find methods independent of the alkalizing drink to also be helpful (myself, I use HCL and a papain containing supp called Super Papaya Enzyme Plus with meals to help break down the food; it was really helpful even before starting the A/A drink). There are posts in the Candida Forum with regards to HCL and Candidiasis symptom improvement- it's simple; some of us experiment with new things and report back on what we find. Strangely, when this happens it seems to provoke a negative response in the Moreless forum, almost as if since it were not something originally discussed there, it represents an incorrect 'path' even though it has benefitted some of the readers.
This site is for discussion of pretty much "all" health protocols, yes? For an unofficial "judge" to discourage folks from trying a product or method that could help improve their health situation is antithetical to this site's purpose, is it not? To exacerbate the situation, it's pretty much impossible to rationally debate him on this point (or any other), so I'm wondering why what is discussed elsewhere is any concern of the moreless forum- perhaps this is just a question of ego?
Is Curezone ultimately headed to be "his" site with all topics requiring his personal stamp of approval or they're demeaned as 'the blind leading the blind'? I know this next point will probably strike a nerve, but it needs to be stated: I thought the job of a moderator was to be somewhat fair and balanced, yes? The mod(s) bend over backwards to such an extent that the intent here seems to be to focus all the forums on *his* ideas that they openly call "teachings". Many of the concepts he talks about are unproven- THIS IS NOT TO SAY THEY ARE WRONG, just unverified as of yet. He should get credit for being the first to really post about these ideas together into a unified whole, but the principles talked about are not "new" per se- many were discussed over 70 years ago by individuals ranging from Antoine Beauchamp to Edgar Cayce . To rubber-stamp everything he talks about as "teaching" (by MODERATORS no less!!) is to give this site's ratification to the idea that there is one health "guru" in charge, everyone else are his guests, and the mods agree with his own insistence that everything he utters is immutable truth. This could potentially mislead new people. A few have already left because the mods, apparently emotionally enamored with him, let this continue to happen. His erratic posting ("teaching") style and repeated broken-record style admonishments to "grow up and get a life" (some should follow their own advice)suggest an almost obsessive-compulsive personality and betray the faux-kind demeanor shown towards those furthering his forum's agenda; indeed he's downright spiteful to anyone in the least suggesting he's not omnicient, badmouthing a recent poster's family relationship without even knowing him; claims he gets his information from a close relationship with his Creator (I'm really unsure about his being God's mouthpiece) yet shows his hypocritically negative nature with frequent put-downs and insults, often right out of the blue when not even provoked. Additionally, the mod has deleted his own posts where he flies off the handle revealing himself to be an obvious kook, somewhat concealing the full truth while basically trying to protect him from himself. There is much more to say on this but why bother.
Some of us have an inquisitive nature, tend to intelligently debate, and do NOT follow blindly (even if certain moderators *do*). Most posts not in lock-step with glorifying Moreless are deleted in his forum. Ultimately though, the purpose of health discussion boards like this one is for the greater good, thus the good of his presence here far outweighs the bad since the alkalizing drink is an excellent health tool, with myself and plenty of others enjoying solid health gains from using it. Focusing on the appeasement of one person above all others however is getting away from the free sharing of ideas and towards a type of fascism where anything else is shouted down or ridiculed; it's not that bad yet, but how far will Curezone continue to slide? Lastly, agree or disagree with the above, all thoughts are welcome- unlike some people, I *invite* criticism and *don't* have an ego that requires its own forum or website. :)
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- Re: Debate and the moreless forum hanna
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This is a reply to # 732,158It is a problem, it also discourages people to give information on the Alkalinity forum. I never learned to debate so I don't want to get involved here, but I do want to tell you that I agree with you. People like me who has changed their life with liverflushing, other cleanses and improved lifestyle without the drink and then see that I could have done the same thing with a drink feel discouraged.
He takes subjects from different forums and then makes it "his" subject and disagrees with what was said before and these posts are often from people who are highly respected.
Most of us know that we are all different and there is not just one solution.
I am ok with the forum owners decision what they want to publish, but this is spreading to other forums and it effects all protocols. When the subject gets on his forum it gets a R rating, so it seems to be better than anything else that was posted somewhere else.
As far as moderators go normally the forum owners can make changes on their own forum, but in this case he has his own moderator, who can go to other forums too I have to assume.
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- Re: Debate and the moreless forum Celcius
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This is a reply to # 732,243This continuous whining is really getting old people ! Why such fragile egos continue to take the spotlight here and bath in thier over reactive sensitivity to being corrected when wrong is beyond me!
This is an alternative health site, Moreless teaches a protocal that is as anti conventioanl as any, with a constant barrage of people continuously challeging one man ! Im suprised he even puts up with this disrespect for as long as he has.
Why would a man try to teach a whole group of people who beleive they are all experts and know all the answers anything at all?
I said from the beginning that he will be chased off by the constant bashing by all the wanna bee gurus here at Curezone and it seems the agenda is still in full tilt!
Im glad Moreless is a little more thick skinned then his opponents and I hope he outlasts these continuous whiners!
- Re: Debate and the moreless forum #51313
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This is a reply to # 732,257I used to read that forum a lot, but the put downs (especially that one about someones family life and upbringing) really changed my mind about the person running the forum. Someone providing advice on a level like that really needs to take a step back from personal opinions, and just provide the health advice required, in a friendly fashion, to the question asked. Otherwise it turns into a dictatorship.
Personally, while I'm sure a lot of the advice given has some element of use for health, such as eating more fruits and vegetables, taking kelp etc, most of that information is completely unproven, but is provided in a manner that it is the unmistakable truth. I could open up a forum touting the magic anti-cancer, anti- diabetes anti-aids benefits of eating rabitt poo and gum leaves, and the more I said it was true, and and I could make up some reasons why, then I'm sure I'd have people believe me.
Be critical thinkers and not followers, is all I have to say. Don't believe everything you are told, by doctors, herbalists, natropaths, and certainly someone who just opens up a forum.- Re: Debate and the moreless forum #52878
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This is a reply to # 732,371I agree with you. Perhaps Moreless should read the paragraph by William Hazlitt, at the top of this page!!
- Re: Debate and the moreless forum #52878
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- Re: Debate and the moreless forum Celcius
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- Re: Tag-Team Fascism #48222
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This is a reply to # 732,158
Firstly, we have one who attempts to aggrandise himself by slurring others. One who speaks as a self-proclaimed “Father” to his “Children” - which further denigrates all others except himself. One who claims that his recommendations are his own teachings, when in fact they are lifted directly from far greater minds. (His pigeon-Cayce talk was warning enough, many months ago.) One who cruises all of CureZone and then selects various messages/suggestions/protocols and proceeds to ridicule them in his own forum, as if he is some form of Master Teacher that all should bow before. One who claims to be a humble servant, one who wishes to receive no praise: One who provoked a following, was awarded his own forum for his clear mental deficiency, and now has his own website and his own dedicated cheerleader! (All clear signs of humility of course.) One who preaches chemistry, and the acid/alkaline balance, while having no real understanding of how either or these principles actually operate.
Basically, a demented, degenerate mind whose only intention is to gain power through the manipulation and humiliation of others.
Secondly, we have one who gains power through adherence to the aforementioned Emperor’s rules. One who will brush aside all logic and reasoning and instead blindly follow a very rude individual who is barely intelligible, let alone messianic. One who abuses power by censoring every word that questions the Emperor; one who deletes posts to suit their not-so-hidden agenda, and manipulates entire threads to suit. One who stalks other forums on CureZone, attempting to manipulate unsuspecting others in the process: “Come to the Moreless forum” for instance, or “Go to Ask Moreless.com”…even attempting to lure others towards the Moreless chirade from forums totally outside of CureZone!
Basically, someone who has lost all respect that fellow CureZonians once held, but seems not to care, as power is the only objective. (Power=Food for the Ego.)
This tag-team is dragging CureZone down to levels even I thought impossible. Perhaps it is time there was a vote, a petition of sorts, in hope of removing their deceitful, totalitarian ways. This tag-team is a plague upon CureZone - this is clear for anyone to see; a rampant DIS-EASE, but thankfully one that can be removed in an instant.
(I have saved this post to disk, and rest assured that should tag-team member no.2 delete or censor it, I shall post it again and again and again to ensure that it is noticed.)- Re: Tag-Team Fascism Celcius
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This is a reply to # 732,653Cf that was the sickest consortium of out right lies and hate I have ever seen! And from the one most responsible for this continuous whining and trolling and the constant misinformation and self centered deluded state of self pity that brings a rotten stench to rhis place!
You talk about fascism when you and your fellow group of three or four spend night and day lurking Moreless forum since he been here, trying to discredit him every chance you get and force your pathetic consensis of hate apon him!
Tell me CF what are your qualification ? What makes you judge and jury over a guy who is well educated, extremely intelligent and a leader in his field. What gives you any right to think you can critisize someone who is your superior in so many ways, intellectually ans socially and probably a thousand times more productive in his life time then you will ever be!
CF you wouldnt make a pimple on a bio chemists arse and you think you have the right to critique Moreless, I laugh, the thought is funny. You can hate someone as much as you want CF but that will never make you better then them, it only makes them shine!- Re: Tag-Team Fascism Tyler Durden
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This is a reply to # 732,720Unfortunately the only whining going on here is from you Celsius (twice now)- like I posted at the top: if this thread doesn't concern you, disregard it! Look at how many people agree with your views and it should be a clear indication of how off-base you are here; the rest of us have made some good points none of which you've addressed.
CF: agreed; personally I don't have any issue with the mod doing what she's doing (blatantly taking sides) but *she shouldn't be a moderator anymore* if so. The whole point of taking that responsibility is to be fair and balanced enough to allow all points of view. It's disappointing she could be so gullible and easily led to not only be one person's cheerleader but to unquestionably follow his agenda of converting the whole site to his views. What a sad life he indeed must live to continually seek approval, recognition, and acceptance from a freaking *internet message board*, but curiously the forum's died down recently so maybe she's said something to him about his b.s., who knows.- Re: Tag-Team Fascism Celcius
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This is a reply to # 733,197Threat??????? What a joke ,over the top hyperbole ,maliscious and spiteful! This is typical of the Curezone Whiners Club ! They cant take any corrections to thier misinformation and dangerous advice so try to point fingers at the few qualified people here! We can now add tweedle D to the club, another useless member who offers nothing but critisism and name calling to the consensis forcing whine club!
Will you people please get a life!n Move on, be real stopp whining and complaining about others who have thier lives together! Get out of your bedrooms and enjoy life!
There are better things to do beside sitting around and making up hateful lies!- Re: Tag-Team Fascism Tyler Durden
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This is a reply to # 733,251>Threat??????? What a joke ,over the top hyperbole ,maliscious and spiteful!
Can you read?! I wrote "THREAD", not "threat", LOL. You just flew off the handle over-reacting to your own misreading of what I wrote. You obviously have nothing better to do than this hypocritical trolling anyway so I'll let you follow up with one more inevitable reply as I'm finished wasting my time.- Re: Tag-Team Fascism #51313
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- Re: Tag-Team Fascism grzbear
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This is a reply to # 733,418I am not necessarily defending moreless here against your protests, but your post struck a cord with me and I hope to open your mind...
My great grandmothers did not need more than a few years education to raise strong healthy children on their farms without so much as one doctor visit in spite of some life threatening illnesses, injuries and all home births. Science and education are the primary reason we have the MANY problems we do today (this statement from a college Science double major). If you could point a finger towards any one reason for our woes it would be education as it now existists.
You have a brain, use it...
If you will take the time to study science, the scientific method, the history (for that matter history period - not the history taught in schools, written by the "victors") of modern medicine, agriculture, etc. and the "scientific" arguments for or against something you will almost always find a very many holes in any scientific "proof". In addition, you will find it is ALL about the money, without concern for humans, animals, the earth etc. Most (all?) scientific testing methods are seriously flawed as they do NOT as a rule consider synergistic affects. I spent a year in a genetics lab and bio-statistical analysis; not one study was found to be without flaw. Of course we could always write a paper to "suggest" what any one study may have indicated so as to turn a profit for our troubles.
Only recently have some sciences started to study synergistic effects and the results are alarming, such as the combination of Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) and Aspartame being many more times neurotoxic and carcinogenic than either one alone leading to all sorts of mental illnesses. All tests for FDA approval -if you want to call them that- were/are done on a single product without concern for, or regard to, possible synergistic effects. This, and we have not begun to address that the test subjects, usually animals, are not fed their natural diets... they are usually fed some kind of feed made from Genetically-Modified-Organisms soy, corn etc.
Individual practitioners do not give alternative health a bad name so much as the individuals who would make a buck hawking useless products to a desperate and sick population that now questions the ability of conventional medicine to "cure", AND a public media that is clearly in the government's and big business's back pockets reporting only what they are TOLD to report, which is FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
Many individuals (including my decedents) and civilizations throughout history, have found success in treating illnesses of all kinds with food, herbs and earth, whether they be "educated" or not, how else would man have survived over the ages?
If you are educated, as I am, these things may be hard to swallow, but true, and food for thought none the less.
Cheers to thought!
grz- My rant (cont) #51313
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This is a reply to # 733,544I totally agree with you, and was merely pointing out that there are also just as many flaws with alternative health, which tend to go compeltely untested! Although I believe this, in many cases, is getting better.
I get a bit sick of the Science bashing really. I also hold a Science degree, but in the earth sciences, so I cannot speak for biology, but I know in my field that it certainly isn't biased to industry funding, and research is something that people go into because they do not wish to be swayed by industry. Things are never as simple or black and white as they seem.
I am very alternative health pro, and do not trust the regular old GP for any health advice (besides pap smears and the like), however I am constantly appalled at the lack of any regulation, because, as can be seen here, any old anyone can claim any old thing they like, and people believe it. In the case of many alternative products, they buy it, try it, find out it doesn't work, and move on to some other product that claims to cure every illness under the sun. It's dishonest. As for Moreless, instead of just answering some questions he may know the answer to, its turned into a forum where everything from basic chemistry, thru to chelation, my dogs throat tumor, dental health etc etc etc, is explained in some made up, incorrect fashion, just so he can appear to know all the answers to every bloody problem out there.
There are very good alternative practioners out there, but they have studied the profession, worked under another good practioner, and had years of experience treating people and seeing the results. A web page does not do that.
Thanks for the reply, I do agree with you more than you probably think.- Re: My rant (cont) grzbear
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This is a reply to # 733,569Great thought provoking response.
"as can be seen here, any old anyone can claim any old thing they like, and people believe it."
I agree with this, BUT, what may work for one, may not work for another; one mans poison is another mans food. I would like to add, getting rid of a symptom - common in alternative health as well - is not necessarily getting rid of the cause. Although I question and research much of what I do for myself, I have come to agree with some on curezone that it is all about the terrain. Balance the terrain, and illness will become a thing of the past.
"As for Moreless, instead of just answering some questions he may know the answer to, its turned into a forum where everything from basic chemistry, thru to chelation, my dogs throat tumor, dental health etc etc etc, is explained in some made up, incorrect fashion, just so he can appear to know all the answers to every bloody problem out there."
Reading moreless's posts from well before his forum was started, I would have to say that I do not believe his explanations are "made up". I believe they are HIS accumulated knowledge from a lifetime of work. I see a great many parallels between what he suggests and other forums, such as making sure your assimilation and elimination channels are clean; digestion\intestines. In addition he is big on liver and kidney health as well. He also has stated many times over that high quality foods are the best source of health, as do many other forum owners on curezone. The problem as he recognizes it is that we have very poor quality food today; sick food grown in sick earth.
I believe he is suggesting alternative ways -the alkalizing drink- in which to get the nutrients in the body without having a source of high quality foods for those that may not have access to them. I did purchase a refractometer to test foods and most foods in my markets are poor to good in quality - based upon the refractometer readings. Rarely do I find strong good to excellent produce, however higher quality is more common with local, in season products. this is what moreless has stated as well... Science may not have a way to understand it, but it still could be valid. How do we know? Will we ever know given the state of our own and the earth's health today?
The earth and humans have bio-accumulated so many toxins over the last 100 years, it is thought by some that we are already a mutant species -look at the exponential rate increases in what used to be unheard of diseases... and there is no denying that we are dying due to this bio-accumulation of toxins. Those with a lower tolerance threshold die before others. I would like to think we have ways in which to fight the toxins we accumulate in some way through cleanses, diet etc.
I majored in organismal biology and ecology... some of the chemistry classes dealt with hazardous waste removal and it was always about neutralizing a toxic waste with the pH balancing of the hazard... interesting.
grz- Re: The Real Issue #48222
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This is a reply to # 733,690
The moreless "teachings" are not the issue (although they are fundamentally flawed) - what many CureZonians object to is his manner and treatment of others; his inability to back-up (prove) his theories, and his seeming need to hijack all of CureZone. I know that many also object to the newly-appointed moderator who refuses to moderate, and instead uses this newly-acquired power to delete, amend, censor, and manipulate posts and indeed entire threads in favour of moreless.
(Remember, that this moderator has a clear vested interest in the entire moreless affair - forum, website, etc. - and it is obvious to all that this moderator will even stoop to pitiful levels such as attempting to lure individuals from other forums.)
The behaviour of both is regrettable and somewhat embarrassing to behold; the behaviour of one in particular is utterly repugnant.
What is far worse is that moreless and his moderator (I wont include Celcius/Stridar as everyone knows he is a sideshow party-piece who mocks the Barefoot brigade for acting in exactly the same fashion as he) are literally driving long-term, highly-respected members off of CureZone - from the entire site. There are many, many people I know who are now embarrassed to be called CureZone members, and their words (emails) all echo the same reasoning: moreless and co.
If I, or anyone else, was to speak to others as moreless does to one and all, we would be banned. No questions, no debate - instant ban. If another moderator was to begin manipulating others for his/her own gain, then s/he would have all privileges revoked. Fact, you might say...
I would have no dispute with those involved if they kept to their own forum and steered clear of the rest of CureZone. Nobody wishes to be lured into other forums, nor do they wish to see every single pro-moreless message (and there are not many) receive an "R" rating, regardless of the quality of the text.
It will not be long before all that is left of CureZone is a militant fan-club, and all those displaying free-thought, mental and spiritual intelligence, will to discover, to learn new things, benevolence, etc., will be no more. This is where CureZone has been headed for the past few months in particular, though, and recent events only clarify this.
I am glad that I accumulated all the health-related knowledge while I did, and can retire from the petty squabbling and lesser minds shortly... It takes but one wo/man to utterly destroy what thousands have worked so hard for; we currently have two.
Anyway, I am tired of this. 99% of CureZone knows the truth, the remaining 1% is the dis-ease, the ACID burning the eyes of genuine wisdom-seekers.
(Personal note to Celcius/Stridar: I no longer read your posts, so your continual efforts to irritate me are now rather futile. Proceed, though...)- Re: The Real Issue/CF hanna
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This is a reply to # 733,734I feel the same. I respect every forum, since I know there is not just one way of doing things. This morning I published something on Liver-Flush forum because I had looked it up for someone that e-mailed me direct and decided may be other people like to read it. We have so many questions about a pain here and there and I thought may be people will realize that a lot of things are connected and start reading.
Another question I had was about if I was still doing the Alka Seltzer Gold or was I doing something new since I had mentioned the euroamerican website.
I told her I was still reading that (we have company for 4 weeks from Europe) so it is slow and the subject is difficult for me to understand, but I added a little thing based on that website. Normally I would have shared what I was trying but not anymore.
At some time I had the same at the bowelcleanse forum. Whenever I said I liked the Oxypowder someone always cut it down. I think it is ok when people rather like this or that, but give the choice so people can make up their own mind. So I dropped out for awhile, now there is more a mixture of views and it should be that way.
- Re: The Real Issue/the whiners club! Celcius
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This is a reply to # 733,789It s too bad none of the whiners understand Science then they would be able to benefit from Moreless's genius, instead of feeling inferior and hateful! Ignorance(ignoring reality) is your enemy, stop embracing it so completely!
If one is open to new realities this mindless hate filled group could actually improve thier sickness instead of making them sicker!
Seems to me these people who make such horrifying claims(none of who are qualified to hand out an aspirin) against one simple man have an option,,, stay away,,stop trolling his forum ...stop refering to his teaching,, stop losing sleep over this,,, and if you dont want your advice corrected, know what you are talking about first instead of playing doctor and handing out dangerous advice,this has been going on too long!!!
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- Re: NO-BODIES fault but your own! Celcius
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This is a reply to # 733,831CF you started this whining along time ago and have been the continuous force that is part of the problem since you've been here ! Making unsubstatiated claims against others ,blaming others for your pitfalls and rotten teeth, calling others names just for responding to your rants! You have some issues that you refuse to address because apparently its easier to blame others, ones teeth do not fall out from taking a small amount of bsm unless they have been neglected for years,perhaps a lifetime! Is that anyones responsibilty but your own?? You should leave curezone ,then your health would be your own responsibilty and no one elses, then maybe without a scapegoat to blame you will finally address these issues once and for all! And Curezone can start to return to the non whining days fo the past!
- Re: NO-BODIES fault but your own! Celcius
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- hanna - about the oxypowder finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 733,789i know i have questioned the Oxypowder in the Bowel Cleanse Forum before, i hope you didn't take my comments as attacking. i appreciate the work you put into curezone, and hope you continue your valuable input in the Bowel Cleanse Forum and the other forums you edify by being a part of.
- Re: hanna - about the oxypowder hanna
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This is a reply to # 734,040No. My objection is when people say it can't be good. Only so and so is good.
I don't like any fiber products, but when people have questions about it I give them links from other people who have used it, like it and know more about it.
I have no knowledge on any health protocol, but I can only give my experiences and what I have read.
My postings started all out of a certain frustration, since when I started I did not know that there were different protocols, I believed everybody and bought every supplement in sight and afterwards felt cheated. So I decided to try to tell new people please read everything since there are many methods.
I never liked Dr.Clark, never read the book because everybody that quoted her was so scared and rigid. That does not mean that I don't scan the site once inawhile to see if I can learn something. THat is how I solved my cramping of my legs and toes by noticing the alkalinity link on her site. It worked instantly and now I keep reading and trying to learn more.
I would never try the cayenne cleanse, but I am not going to tell people only Oxypowder is good. Everybody should find their own way.
- Leg/Toe Cramping Link? :-) Ladylove
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This is a reply to # 734,093Hi Hanna :-),
Would you mind please posting the link to the leg/toe cramping info which helped you so much?
Thanks :-).
BTW Hanna, I like your way of thinking about posting, and IMHO also that's the way it should be. If someone wants to jump a thread and wrangle I don't feel constrained to wrangle back, but I state my case. Then I move on, and they can rail at the walls :-). "Talk To The Hand," in the now-immortal words of Austin Powers :-).
I don't want to debate, so I have mostly stayed away from all the Debate Forums . I just lucked into this thread following some links with that *Great* Search Function which has recently become usable on Curezone.
I am glad to have found your post.
Please keep posting, Hanna- You never know what good you may be doing- It may feel as if the "wrangling" responses are the only effect you had, but there may be hundreds of people helped by your info who have read it, been helped and moved on silently because, like me, they don't want to debate.
Good Health to All of Us,
Ladylove :-)- Re: Leg/Toe Cramping Link? :-) hanna
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This is a reply to # 735,639Thank you Ladylove for your words.
I don't know what I was doing there but one day I was on Dr.Clark's forum and under the picture of her book I saw a list and it said something like Alkaline balance and there I got my original information. Since I read on Moreless forum someone said she did well with Alka Seltzer, I decided to check my blue and yellow boxes and in the Alka Seltzer Gold (I have to order from http://www.drugstore.com) it had the 2 ingredients (sodium/potassium bicabonates) which Clark mentioned. So I started using this at night and my cramps were gone. My pH in the morning used to be 5.5, so now I make sure that it is over 6.
In the meantime I learned on http://euroamericanhealth.com website that I should use it between meals too to keep to pH (urine)up in daytime. I am just starting that. BTW the Alka Seltzer Gold for nauseau I learned from Dr.Kelley's liverflush, that is why I had it in the house.
I usually post my experiments but I think I am burned out, especially when I read that I have published 46 pages (7000 posts?) on the forums in the last 3 1/2 years.
Also CZ goes in cycles depending on what people are interested in, so I feel right now I am out of style.
In general I am not against anything, but I am just not interested in mixing stuff, sprouting, testing all my food, it has to be simple otherwise I won't do it, I want to live as normal as possible with my family and not worry about every move I make.
I have one person who writes me to check if I have made any changes with my experiments, so I keep her up to date.
FYI I have added minerals daily, I did that several years ago when Andreas suggested it, but I forgot about it again. Now I have a certain lifestyle and now I can add one experiment at a time.
- Re: Leg/Toe Cramping Link? :-) hanna
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- Leg/Toe Cramping Link? :-) Ladylove
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- Re: The Real Issue/the whiners club! Celcius
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This is a reply to # 733,734Just want to point out that suggesting other forums is a common thing to do on Curezone when you think that other forum might be of use to the individual.
- Re: The Real Issue/CF hanna
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- Re: My rant (cont) #51313
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This is a reply to # 733,690Yes, you're right. I think I got a little side tracked. I think what I was trying to get at with all this, is that moreless always did have some good ideas, and he did provide some good responses to peoples questions. As soon as he got his own forum though, slowly that changed. I think he felt he HAD to answer every question like he did know the answer, when in reality he did not. Then it all went to his head, the questions became broader and subsequent answers became even more far fetched, he became rude and know-it-all to people, and now he thinks he's some kind of spiritual being with fabulous psychic powers. Puulease!
I don't mind people providing me with information based on what they 'think' but this should be put across in the message, like is done with most people here. From all I have read, moreless does not have as much experience as people like to think, and I would like to know how many people he has hands on experience with, seeing if his theories actually work or not. How does he know calcium hydroxide is more easily adsorbed by the body? I could go on, but will not. These are purely my observations, and ever since he has had that forum, my respect for him has taken a complete nose dive, to the point where I almost don't believe any of it anymore.
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- Re: My rant (cont) grzbear
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This is a reply to # 733,544Good post. There's no problem with him posting his philosophy on disease and healing (I'm not going to call it 'teaching' as this is rubber-stamping all of it as proven truth), but it should be presented as *possibility*, not as fact (again this is not saying he's necessarily wrong). A sort of standard disclaimer such as 'these views are those of moreless, not necessarily that of curezone.com' could be readily visible to make it clear to newbies that this isn't all to be taken literally, would be suitable.
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- Re: Tag-Team Fascism Tyler Durden
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- Re: Tag-Team Fascism Celcius
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- Re: Debate and the moreless forum JohnnySmith
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This is a reply to # 732,158I don't believe that the Moreorless forum was set up as a arena to debate issues. It is a shame that some members post to try and start a debate there. As is the case in anything in life, it is good to open to the possiblity of alternative views, for this is the only way you can discover what works best for you in your journey to recover your health. For some, it well may turn out to be aa balancing, for others liver flushes, for others oil pulling, and for others a combination of these things. There is no one size fits all because we are as different as snowflakes.
As far as Moreorless' forum goes, look at what he says with an open mind. You need not believe that it is the gospel truth whether it is presented that way. Do your own research. It isn't hard. For example, you can type in alkaline/acid balancing in Google and end up with a wealth of interesting information. Review all the research, educate yourself, experiment on yourself, then draw your own conclusions. There is no need to get upset with Moreorless if you don't like the way he answers your questions. In fact you can get the answers by doing your own research on the mysteries that you are seeking answers to. When people respond to others on the internet, they are only communicating with words, how you perceive these words and what emotion you attach to them will ultimately determine how offended you become. If you choose to be offended you will be offended, if you choose to laugh(you may experience some good old fashioned healthy laughter therapy, if you choose to ignore the words and never come back, it won't phase you one way or another). In life everything really boils down to perception, and you have the choice of shaping that perception in a positive or negative manner. And just remember, no one can shape your perception, no matter what they say cause your perception is your own.
Best Wishes.- Re: Debate and the moreless forum Celcius
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This is a reply to # 734,092If you choose to be offended you will be offended, if you choose to laugh(you may experience some good old fashioned healthy laughter therapy, if you choose to ignore the words and never come back, it won't phase you one way or another). In life everything really boils down to perception, and you have the choice of shaping that perception in a positive or negative manner.
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Wise words and so true! I am amazed at how many people CHOSE to be negative!- Thanks Celsius :) JohnnySmith
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This is a reply to # 735,707Interesting to note, the divisions seen in this forum among those who seem to disagree with everything just for the sake of disagreeing, judging by the polling numbers on various posts. Lol, it doesn't really matter. It was merely an observation and I choose not to get offended so I am not offended. In fact, I find it laughable.
Best wishes to all.
- Projection .. Invincible
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- Projection .. Invincible
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- Thanks Celsius :) JohnnySmith
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- Re: Debate and the moreless forum Celcius
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