you poor thing...have you tried dr. clark's kidney cleanse? it sounds like you have kidney stones. i have not tried it though, it is expensive i think. has anyone else out there tried the kidney cleanse?

> Starbrite,
I think your juice fast idea mite be the best. I have a low back condition that has changed alot of what I used to do. Its something that formed early in my life (now 55). Its causing more pain. I want to stay away from surgery till my grave- if its possible. I have done all juice twice for four days and it helped. Your post is a reminder to do it more. I have had different juicers since 1978 and recommend the champion. My wife and I used to do the Hallelujah program (hacres.com) - eat it raw and juice. We are trying to get back to it and want to add herbs this time. A real good book is Norman Walkers " Fresh Veg.&FruitJuices". So far the medical community has not really helped. I met a couple who did juice and eat all raw for a year and they had a amazing story. Maybe we both need the same.
I have been able to stay off the pain killers, so far, and I hope it stays that way. ....wishing you health....Bill

Hello, my Friend!

I just logged on tonight for the first time today (busy day) and I am so sorry to hear of your pain. I thought you would be better! I can't add anything that hasn't already been said, except to say I am sorry and I am thinking of you. I hope you kicked that ladder!

Feel Better!!

Hello StarBrite,
Chronic pain is no fun. I am a fellow sufferer. Mine was due to an automobile accident when I was 19 or 20 years old which twisted my spine and any number of falls. I have tried a many things over the years and found spinal manipulation and biofeedback to be the most effective. Also ice wrapped in a damp washcloth on the affected area (do not exceed 20 min) followed by a hot pack will give considerable relief. The ice works best in the first 48 hrs after injury, but helps any time thereafter when there is a flair up of pain.

There are also a number of other factors to look at. How much do you exercise and what type of workout? Do you have an active job or sit at a computer? (I'm a computer person so I have to work hard to stay fit and thin) Are you subject to extreme stress levels and the "biggies" do you smoke or use drugs? All of which can cause problems with the spine. Exercise releives stress, but can injure the spine if done in excess or incorrectly, smoking affects the upper half to two thirds of the spine espically the neck, and drugs destroy everything.

My joint and spine problems have responded well to the Bentonite and olive leaf extract I'm presently taking. Also the colonic I just underwent loosened some tight areas in my central spine. I should have followed with a chiropratic visit but didn't. I will on the next one. I am also doing some research on cetyl myristoleate but haven't tried any yet. There is a considerable body of information to work through with some impressive facts and personal testomionals.

My main problem is stress, I quit smoking 8 or 9 years ago. I'm presently facing a divorce with a 7 yr old caught in the middle and will be much better when that issue is resolved. But enough of that. I hope some of this helps.

Please note that I am not a Medical Professional but only state what works or has worked for me.

Thinking (LAC)

Hi StarBrite, I don't know much about this problem, but my friend has a bad back, I mean BAD! She takes something called CMO for the pain, and she says it really helps!!! She gets it over the internet at: www.discount-vitamins-herbs.net (which she says is much cheaper than at the store). She pays something like $20.00 for a bottle, but it's really good. She says don't buy the CMOTM, because the TM only stands for trade mark, and apparently that fellows CMO products aren't even the real thing. Just stay on the site I mentioned above, they are the real thing! They have a lot of info for you to read there. Also, she takes coral calcium for the bones, it has all the needed minerals for bones. I hope this will help you, GOD BLESS YOU! Peace. Kelly P.S. - you can try MSN too! (for the pain) which you can get at a health food store.