Which of these is worse? 
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Ok..just for fun....since I know many of you like to focus on the negative....which of these two is worse:
1) George Bush winning two consecutive terms despite an onslaught of negative attention and raging lies by the liberal-left media? or.....
2) Justice Stevens retiring/dying and George Bush replacing him with another pro-life conservative...thereby locking up the Supreme Court for the conservative pro-life agenda around the country for the next 20-30 years?
- I've got a couple for you too #3230
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MoreThis is a reply to # 710,556Which of these is worse:
1) Having this post moved to a political debate forum, where it actually belongs,
or...
2) Banning you from this forum for baiting a heated political discussion? This has very little direct relevance to the main topic at hand, and yes, you're now really trolling my friend- Re: I've got a couple for you too #61246
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MoreThis is a reply to # 710,557
Is your thinker connected tonight? ABORTION is the epitome of political! The implications of George Bush and Justice Stevens has EVERYTHING to do with this forum. Try agiain, Genius. Next time answer the question instead of bringing to light your utter ignorance.
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This is a reply to # 710,558
Is your thinker connected tonight? ABORTION is the epitome of political! The implications of George Bush and Justice Stevens has EVERYTHING to do with this forum. Try agiain, Genius. Next time answer the question instead of bringing to light your utter ignorance.
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This is a reply to # 710,559supersport,
you really are 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' using hyperthetics to make up for your 'grasping at straws' attempt to further augument. IT'S MOST DEFINATELY
TROLLING IN MY EYES.
sometimes 'silence is the better part of valour'. in your case most definately! Tom.
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- The answer is trivial Atalanta
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This is a reply to # 710,556George bush winning 2 times in a row, obviosly, becasue if he didn't he wouldn't have the opportunity to replace Justice Stevens. Duh. - Re: Which of these is worse? #27054
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This is a reply to # 710,556supersport,
you really are 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' using hyperthetics to make up for your 'grasping at straws' attempt to further augument. IT'S MOST DEFINATELY
TROLLING IN MY EYES.
sometimes 'silence is the better part of valour'. in your case most definately! Tom. - Supersport moderator
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This is a reply to # 710,556I don't care what religion you represent or what topic you discuss - but my gosh you are representing it in a cold misleading way.
And because you have had numerous warnings in regards to your forum behaviour you are now banned. Game over.
To the other folks - Don't get personal by calling other posters names, stay on topic and do not post baiting, trolling messages.
Have a great day. - Where is the Politics of Abortion De... Logger
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This is a reply to # 710,556Dear Moderator,
I disagreed with Supersport's Anti-Choice opinions, but I found his style of posting directed to the issues.
Here is a link to my post starting a discussion with Supersport.
//www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=548&i=3950
If you feel my style is not appropriate for the Abortion Debate forum, I would appreciate pointers.
Abortion is highly emotionally charged, because of the interrelation with procreation, religion, government and politics. Did you have hear of the Genetic Entitiy? Tough psychological concept similar to a protective mother Lioness. Happy Mother's Day.
I feel Supersport treated me respectfully, So I speak up publicly in his behalf.
Abortion, and all the family planning issues associated with the concept, are vitally important to the survival of the Planet. I commend Supersport for seeming to be growing in depth of understanding as he expressed his opinions.
I hope other pro-life posters will not be discouraged with the banning of Supersport. It takes both sides for a debate forum.
I looked at other Debate Forums , and I don't see where to discuss the Political aspects of Abortion. Is there someplace you had in mind? There are many Debate Forums with little action. I agree some posts have been Argumentum Ad Hominum, but not Supersport. Anti Choice Actists use the Koran as well as the Bible.
The real fight is that politically the US Government is fighting against all family planning services, throughout the world. The Right is keeping a low profile, but being very effective in limiting NGO assistance to the poor. The Sneaky US State Dept needs to be exposed. Where do you want to debate the increasingly rapid poisoning of the world, driven by poor family planning.
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- I disagree #59245
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This is a reply to # 710,582I am returning to answer this after a brief respite. I do not agree with you.
He was not respectful. He may have been towards you, good for you! Mostly he was divisive, and admitted to being a troll. We did try to discuss politics as well as the national and world scene of abortion, but were met with cry's of "you are evil and murderers" and "you damn liberals", and you blah de blah feminists. He stereotyped all pro-choice people, and was open about his stereotypes. And let's not forget the dramatics, and the proselytizing.
You know, as long as I was debating on this forum, I do not remember seeing your name posted that much. It makes me wonder where you came from, and what are your motivations?
SS was not a good debater, he was immature and narrow minded.
What this debate needs is a broader view, not drama. If you were to start posting about the politics of abortion, I'd be back to happily discuss. I just got tired of the lack of intellectual discussions.
That is my 2 cents anyway. - huh? #2974
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This is a reply to # 710,582Logger,
I'm not much of a debater, but I know one when I see one. You, sir are one. Supersport was not by any means. He was rude, narrow minded (that's putting it mildly) and totally over taken by his religious obsessions. He loved baiting you by asking a question that no one could answer correctly except himself (in his mind). He was the perfect example of a troll. Maybe you should look further into some of his posts. The fact that he treated you with respect had to be an exception.
- Super Sport Name Calling Logger
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This is a reply to # 710,582Dear 59245,
Thanks for your insights, as you have apprently read more of Super Sport's posts, than I have read. I have not read further back to review Super Sport's name calling posts. I was able to engage him in debate, and seemingly, evolve his thinking.
You are correct that I have not posted much on Political or Religious Debate Forums . I often post questions to get others to think more deeply on the issues, from their perspective.
With some states starting to pass bans further limiting abortions, and Bush appointing people who have advocated overturning Roe v. Wade, it seems Women's rights will be eroded.
I am more concerned about the pressures for pollution in other contries which have inadequate family planning sevices for the poor. Organizations providing family planning for the the world's people in poverty are affected by cutbacks in abortion counseling, and limitations on birth control practices being instigated by the U.S.Government.
Reagan's unplanned children are crossing our border's. H Bush's unplanned children will be coming soon. The Right Wing fakes being surprised.
- Bring it on #59245
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This is a reply to # 710,585These are perfect posts for this forum. How I longed to discuss political based abortion subjects (as opposed to religious based drama raves)!
Go ahead, ask a politically charged, insightful post, and see who comes around. Ask a few!
Thanks for your response.- I Got One anonymousjane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,586Do you think it is a rite of passage for a feminist to have an abortion?
Do you think over-the-counter sales of RU-486 is okay? I mean, since you feel getting an abortion is okay and thev fetus is not really a growing baby why not sale abortion pills in the aspirin aisle at a local drug store such as Walgreens or RiteAid??
AnonymousJane_01
- I smell another SS. Atalanta
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This is a reply to # 710,587I highly doubt these are questions people were talking about.
Do you think it is a rite of passage for a feminist to have an abortion?
Fist off, you need to actually think of what feminism is and what it means to you, seeing that you are a woman. This totally came out of cloud of smoke, and yeah I guess I'm not a feminist since I haven't had an abortion. Oh well.
RU486 cannot be purchased in drug stores as is and I agree it shouldn't becasue the woman should know about what she's taking from a professional to know the side effects as well. But it should be cheeper and available (It's not in many places).
Plan B on the other hand should be over the counter in drug stores.- Re: I smell another SS. anonymousjane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,588You pro-choice debaters then, Atalanta in particular, are not really interested in lively, intelligent, respectful debate. You berate, accuse, and censor any who against you.
My question is political as the poster requested. Feminism is a political invention. Selling prescription or over-the-counter drugs is political b/c the govt regulates them, and in return medical lobbyists who are lawyers try to make the govt approve their drug. Thus, my questions were fair and relevant. To accuse me of being like SS, which is fine with me b/c he made a lot of sense and he was a good debater, is a crock. You guys bully the opposing view.
I am not a troll. Being a lively, analytical debater does not make me a troll.
This debate forum is mostly pro-choicers. It should be called the pro-choicer support forum. You guys don't really want to debate; you want to criticized, name-calling, and ostracize.
This forum is really a joke to me. At least the Evolution, Creation...forum is a little better where everyone pretty much respects the others opinions. But here is like China, or any other TWC where speaking you mind will get you killed.
:)AnonymousJane_01- Re: I smell another SS. judy g
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This is a reply to # 710,591Aw, come on. Any berating and name-calling went both ways.
But to your question:
"Do you think it is a rite of passage for a feminist to have an abortion?"
Are you serious? How do you think this stuff up?
- Re: I smell another SS. anonymousjane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,594Well, I do a little off-side reading and read somewhere that feminists who started the abortion rights campaign were so fervent of their right to abortion that they encouraged women to have abortions. IOW, abortion became a weapon and rallying cry to prove that they were in-charge of their bodies, and no man was going to tell them they couldn't abort they babies. Many women had abortions out of pure spite; not b/c the actuaally wanted to. So, this being an abortion forum with mostly women posters, and assuming many women on this forum are feminists(I get that impression from the posts), then the question is relevant.
I obviously don't know who is and who isn't a feminist, so if you are not a feminist or prefer not to reveal it, then don't answer the question. Simple, see??
:)AnonymousJane_01
- Re: I smell another SS. judy g
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This is a reply to # 710,595Well, I do a little off-side reading and read somewhere that feminists who started the abortion rights campaign were so fervent of their right to abortion that they encouraged women to have abortions. IOW, abortion became a weapon and rallying cry to prove that they were in-charge of their bodies, and no man was going to tell them they couldn't abort they babies.
It can be really helpful to evaluate what when reads - to consider the author(s)' biases. The source(s) of this particular information is bend on painting an extreme picture. There probably were one or two people who felt that way, but then why give that attention? It's hardly relevant.
In my experience with real people and reporting on events at the time abortion was being legalized, I never heard anything like this.
Many women had abortions out of pure spite; not b/c the actuaally wanted to.Now take a deep breath here . . . does this sound at all reasonable?
So, this being an abortion forum with mostly women posters, and assuming many women on this forum are feminists(I get that impression from the posts), then the question is relevant.I never mentioned anything about the relevance (or not) of your question.
I obviously don't know who is and who isn't a feminist, so if you are not a feminist or prefer not to reveal it, then don't answer the question. Simple, see??Well, if you exercise a little of that analysis you were attributing to yourself elsewhere in this thread, you will see that your question was not directed specifically to feminists, you did not define "you".
- Re: I smell another SS. anonymousjane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,596"Many women had abortions out of pure spite; not b/c the actuaally wanted to.
Now take a deep breath here . . . does this sound at all reasonable?"
Okay. Then why DO women have abortions. Please enlighten me.
(Please refrain from mentioning rape, incest, mother will die if she has the baby, etc. I want to why the TYPICAL abortion is performed, you know, the ones at Planned Parenthood. Rape, incest etc are news report material.)
AnonymousJane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,598"Okay. Then why DO women have abortions. Please enlighten me."
I am really not sure what your motives are, but clearly you must have some idea why women get abortions. And spite isn't an option in this multiple choice question!
Often times contraceptives fail (more often than you probably think) or women have gotten pregnant at times when they thought it wasn't possible. Or maybe from the time they conceived to the time they abort something else happened in their lives to alter their original decision. I know these reasons may seem selfish to you (particularly the latter), but you seem to only think that abortions only happen out of spite and that pro-choicers only think that they happen out of rape, incest, or health reasons. There are very difficult, complex reasons for this very difficult, complex decision.
- Re: I smell another SS. anonymousjane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,599Honestly, I understand when a young lady the age of fifteen is scared b/c she's pregnant. She is confused, feels alone, and knows that having a baby will bring on a whole set of responsibilities she may not be ready for.
I had an abortion years ago when I was younger. So, I really do understand. However, since then I have been saved, and my views changed. I feel that as scary and inconvenient it is to be pregnant when you're not ready the baby inside of you trumps any of those thoughts b/c he/she is a life conceived. To me, the baby outweighs the mother's choice of abortion.
Abortion is a sensitive and complicated subject. There probably isn't one right answer. I am pro-life, but I am also very passionate about civil and women's rights. I wouldn't want our(women's)right's to be taken away. Equal pay for equal work is fair and true. Aspiring women who want to be Drs, CEO's and other top knotch professions is great. Abolition of posters of naked or sexually suggestive women in the workplace is awesome.
IMHO, women will always seek abortions. The back alley abortions that we used to hear about were terrible, and many women died as a result of them. I suppose I would rather they can go to a doctor's office to have one so they have a safe abortion. But I think our leaders should saturate the media to tell women that you have the right to an abortion, but it should be considered an extreme last result. First, use birth control(and they should have it available for us)or abstinence. When you are about to make love, think first. B/c getting pregnant is no small matter.
God Bless,
AnonymousJane_01
- Re: I smell another SS. #41554
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This is a reply to # 710,610Wow, that post really says a lot. First I'd like to tell you that I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. But I'd like to make a comment about this. You said,
"I had an abortion years ago when I was younger. So, I really do understand. However, since then I have been saved, and my views changed. I feel that as scary and inconvenient it is to be pregnant when you're not ready the baby inside of you trumps any of those thoughts b/c he/she is a life conceived. To me, the baby outweighs the mother's choice of abortion."
--->>Well, that is great that you are now saved and your views have changed, but you said it yourself...YOUR views have changed. But just b/c YOUR views have changed, it's really not fair to take away the choice that YOU had many years ago from other women and girls. What if other people have different views or haven't been (don't want to be) "saved". Different religions, different beliefs, different views. Again, I'm sorry that you had to go through that, but at least you had a CHOICE. And to me, the mother's choice trumps the baby.
You also said,
"Abortion is a sensitive and complicated subject. There probably isn't one right answer. I am pro-life,.....IMHO, women will always seek abortions. The back alley abortions that we used to hear about were terrible, and many women died as a result of them. I suppose I would rather they can go to a doctor's office to have one so they have a safe abortion. But I think our leaders should saturate the media to tell women that you have the right to an abortion, but it should be considered an extreme last result. First, use birth control(and they should have it available for us)or abstinence. When you are about to make love, think first. B/c getting pregnant is no small matter."
--->>I don't want to startle you, but that sounds a little like pro-choice to me. And I don't mean that as a jab at all. That is where I happen to stand strongly. I like to call it pro-choice plus education! You are exactly right in so many of your statements in your final paragraph. "Women will always seek abortion...go to doctor's office for a safe abortion...leaders should tell women of their right to choice but consider it a last resort...think before making love." I don't think I've heard a pro-choicer on this board say it more eloquently. But sometimes, even when one thinks before making love...accidents happen, condems break, the pill doesn't work, life throws you for some kind of loop that changes all of your well laid plans. That's why I am glad that there are choices. And I'm glad you had a choice.
Also, I don't think of this as a women's right issue. I think of it as human rights. My body, my choice. I would feel the same way if men were the one's that gave birth (now wouldn't THAT be funny)!
Peace.
Jennifer
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This is a reply to # 710,588"This totally came out of cloud of smoke, and yeah I guess I'm not a feminist since I haven't had an abortion. Oh well."
Actually, my dear, logically speaking, if you are a feminist and have had an abortion you are the perfect person to answer my question. If you are a feminist who has not had an abortion, then you can still give an opinion b/c you know other feminists who have had abortions. People socialize and learn about these things. Again, your opinion would still be relevant. If you are not a feminist and you have had an abortion, then you can't answer the question. If you are not a feminist and have not had an abortion, then you can't answer the question.
You said "I guess I'm not a feminist since I haven't had an abortion. Oh well."
That isn't one of the four logical options. It really doesn't make sense.
Having an abortion does not make you a feminist.
So all of the berating and harrassment that you do is coming from a viewpoint that is pointless anyway. (In all fairness, your answer to my second question was okay)
:)AnonymousJane_01
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This is a reply to # 710,593if you are a feminist and have had an abortion you are the perfect person to answer my question. If you are a feminist who has not had an abortion, then you can still give an opinion b/c you know other feminists who have had abortions. If you are not a feminist and you have had an abortion, then you can't answer the question. If you are not a feminist and have not had an abortion, then you can't answer the question.
Say that ten times fast. Lost? yeah me too. Your question was posed to anyone, and stated none of the above.
What I would love to know is your definition of a femisnist. To me it seems like it is someone who goes around screaming bloody murder to children and men.
You know that pro-lifers can be feminist too? And do you know that if you search deep enough you'll probably find you are a feminist too?
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This is a reply to # 710,587...even after reading your reasons for posting that question, I think it is ridiculous. Or at least phrased ridiculously. Rite of passage? I just can't believe that somebody would even ask that. I also think some of your other statements were way off base as well, such as the comment about women getting abortions out of spite. I truly hope you don't believe such a thing. And as for the original question posted, I truly hope you don't expect serious responses.
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This is a reply to # 710,582ss/logger,
i talk to myself from time to time, you heard what the lady said. Tom. - One thing i will say on behalf of SS... forehead21c
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This is a reply to # 710,582HE USED TO MAKE US ABSOLUTELY ROAR WITH LAUGHTER :O) !!!!!! albeit always inadvertently... :P:P:P !!!
- true!!! :P !!!!! n/m wittlewabbitte
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- true!!! :P !!!!! n/m wittlewabbitte
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