So curious... I was a veggie for yea... 
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Hi all,
I was a veggie for a long time... damn near vegan. I then started studying archeaology and anthropology (and evolution) and found that we have been eating meat for millions of years. I guess it seemed to me that this sort of suggested that we are supposed to eat meat.... I would really appreciate thoughts on this. I mean, I get the animal treatment issues, but if we have evolved eating meat for millions of years... who are we to argue with nature?
Basicman- good point basicman oon
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my dad always made that point whenever i tried to talk to him about vegetarianism, and in fact went on to claim that humans evolved to the point they are at now only because they, unlike other primates, made meat a central part of their diet.
anyway, we know why you reconsidered, but why were you vegetarian in the first place?The Third Way - a middle road between vegetarianism and eating meat.
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This is a reply to # 68,632Hi there,
Well, for me, it started for me with a Tony Robbins seminar...
I stuck with it for about 5 years... and then, when I was training for the London marathon, I started having dreams about eating meat -- and powerful cravings. Then, went I found out that we had been eating meat for all of our history, I decided to go back...
Having said that, I do not eat high-fat meats like pork or beaf, but prefer free-range chicken, buffalo, venison, antelope etc.
Check out:
www.thehumandiet.com or www.thepaleodiet.com for more info...
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Hi there,
It started with a Tony Robbins seminar...
I stuck with it for about 5 years... and then, when I was training for the London marathon, I started having dreams about eating meat -- and powerful cravings. Then, went I found out that we had been eating meat for all of our history, I decided to go back...
Having said that, I do not eat high-fat meats like pork or beaf, but prefer free-range chicken, buffalo, venison, antelope etc.
Check out:
www.thehumandiet.com or www.thepaleodiet.com for more info... - Re: good point basicman bugsy.
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That is an interesting website. I was getting in to it until I saw that it recommends eating margarine and soymilk.
Errrr, that ain't right!
But the "third way" is an interesting concept nonetheless.
Btw, I don't know if this is the appropriate place to discuss this seeing as it is the Vegetarian Forum. Might I suggest we move the topic to a more appropriate place. Perhaps Eric Edmeades forum?
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That is an interesting website. I was getting in to it until I saw that it recommends eating margarine and soymilk.
Errrr, that ain't right!
But the "third way" is an interesting concept nonetheless.
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This is a reply to # 68,629When we eat meat we are not just consuming proteins, fats etc we are also 'eating' (absorbing) the conciousness of the animals that we consume.
I have been a vegetarian for over 30 years (not for health reasons, I cared little about health until I started getting older and falling apart), but I still ate a little fish now and then. I have also been celibate for many years and rarely think about sex. One evening a few years ago I ate a small peice of salmon with my dinner and that night I had a wet dream (very rare for me). I realized that it was the sexuality of the fish that had caused my wet dream.
Animals have many thoughts such as fear and agression, hunger, sexuality, defending their territory etc. They like to butt and kick, scratch in the dirt, eat worms etc. I don't want those thoughts inside of me. I am striving for human conciousness, not animal conciousness.
I don't mean to be judgemental, but since you asked for other peoples opinions, I thought I would pipe in. My family and friends mostly all eat meat and I am not a crusader, but I just wanted to add my perspective to the discussion.
Regards
John- Re: Another thing to consider basicman
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This is a reply to # 68,641Hi John,
I don't know what to say -- this is just silly. Do you think it is natural that your body has no sexual cravings at all? I seriously doubt that your dream was the result of absorbing the consciousness of the salmon -- perhaps if you suddenly had a desire to swim upstream I could be with you on this (not). What probably happened is that your sex drive returned because you were getting nutrients that your body needs...
If you are living in a way that is not supportive of your species then you risk both infertility and lack of sex drive -- these are nature's way of preventing bad ideas (and/or bad genes) from spreading.
I admit, I strive only to eat meat from animals that have not suffered throughout their lives but this is not because I am afraid of absorbing their consciousness, it is because I am compassionate and care about animals.
Cheers,
Basic
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Hi John,
I don't know what to say -- this is just silly. Do you think it is natural that your body has no sexual cravings at all? I seriously doubt that your dream was the result of absorbing the consciousness of the salmon -- perhaps if you suddenly had a desire to swim upstream I could be with you on this (not). What probably happened is that your sex drive returned because you were getting nutrients that your body needs...
If you are living in a way that is not supportive of your species then you risk both infertility and lack of sex drive -- these are natures way of preventing bad ideas (and/or bad genes) from spreading.
I admit, I am strive only to eat meat from animals that have not suffered throughout their lives but this is not because I am afraid of absorbing their consciousness, it is because I am compassionate and care about animals.
Cheers,
Basic
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This is a reply to # 68,642actually in reasponse to this.....my sex drive was null for quite awhiel and its actaully jsut came back after being vegan for 4 months....i alwasy do better eatign this way.....byt he way im only 20 and the sex drive thing is from lupus, its the first thing to go when my lupus gets bad, but aeting vegan awlasy helps....thats one of the primary reasons i am is for health..the other are for ethical, and also spiritual.....not spiritual as in my religion demands it of me...but as in a feel it helps my spitiual path, also environmentla. BTW..... Do u hunt ur own meat??? I was wondering becauwe my thought is, if peo-el are goign to eat meat they should at least kill their own.....i have respect for peoepl who hunt for there own meat...as well as the fact they are not supporting cruel factory farming methods. But then again, i also think if most peoel KNEW about factory farming they would boy cott it in one way ro another....whether it be hunt their own, go veggie, or farm there own, or buy from family farms or organic. anwya....i kinda went off topic there, but my original point was, that i dont think that him not gettign wenough nutrients was why....i personally think it was obstainign from so long from a natural function, but anyway that s jsut my opinion.....i hate it when peoepel (veggie or omni) tries to imply that there diet is better and the other is weaker, or not givignthem enogu nutrients. But it may very well ahev eben from not getting enough nutrienrts anyone (omni or veg) can be nutrient deficeint if they are not eating properly.
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This is a reply to # 68,629yeah, ive thought about that too, but then ive also read a lot on the comparisons of omnivores and carnivores to herbivores and humans fit witht the herbivore anatomy and physiology. Our jaw structure, digestive system, intestines, nails, teeth. So when i read that, it made a lotof sense to me, but then i thought of why on earth would we have eatin meat for such a long time??? Im not tooo sure, but my theory is that when the land masses were all one big land mass and was aroung hte eqauter, according to sci3entist the weather was warm in all areas of thsi land mass (im not sure if this is still accurate i rememrb reading this about one ofthe time periods about dinosaurs) but i also beleivwe were here with the dinosuars....ther have been fossilized human footprints along side dinosaur ones. Anywa....back on topic....my thought was we were originally veggie (considering our digestive system and jaws, nails, teeth, etc.) but when the land masses started moving upwards away from the eqauter and we started to have winters, we had to do what we had to in order to survive, so when winter came , no vegetation, so we had to hunt for food. I think that is why indigenous peopel haev the tradition of paying respect to their prey, liek praying .... if u think about, what natural predator does that??? They dont, they jsut go in for the kill and chow down. Also if u look at indigenous peoepl in places around the equator, liek in the rainforests, they are primarily vegetarian. Anyway...these are jsut my thoughts...i really dont think there is a way we will ever know for surew what our original diet was....we can only guess, and make theories based on what peices of the puzzle we do have.
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That is a good point, also the Native Americans who were closer to the Earth then many and Nature, ate meat.
I have read some interesting stuff on the Paleo Diet and what you are saying.
But the way animals are raised is what causes them to be unhealthfull, feed grains,and other dead animals...
A free range animal has the proper omega 3 to 6 ratio we need.
It might also come down to blood type, the O the oldest type most certainly ate meat in the past.
The newer types A and B are more prone to Grains and Dairy.
Type O's acid is set for meat digestion, but A and B don't handle it well... see Eating right for your blood type
That's the only thing I see as being the big difference the A and B blood types are fairly new types, since the agriculture age. - Exactly... #28447
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This is a reply to # 68,629The best diet is man's natural diet, one we have evolved with, just like any other animal. We have been hunter-gatherers, omnivores for millions of years, eating animal. Pasta, bread etc is relatively new.
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