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I have a sort of diagnostic puzzle among doctors. I will write case history for you people to go over and suggest me the course of action :
Two months I felt some mild pain on the right upper quadrant, due to which ultra sound and blood tests were done. The report is as under :
HAVAB Igm : -
HBsAb-Num : 21.4
HBsAb : Reactive
HBsAG-Num : 0.73
HBsAG : negative
HBcore Ab-num: 0.104
HBcore Ab : Reactive
HCVAB Num : 0.08
HCVAB : Nonreactive
T Billi (mg/dL):0.7 (0.1 - 1.0)
D Billi (mg/dL):0.2 (0.0 - 0.4)
T Protein(g/dL):7.2 (6.0 - 8.0)
Albumin (g/dL) :3.9 (3.5 - 4.8)
Alk Phos (U/L) :114 (50 - 140)
SGOT (U/L): 22 ( 7- 41 )
SGPT (Dim)(U/L): 48 (20 -65)
LDH (U/L): 119 (100 - 190)
GGTP (U/L):29 (5 -85)
An ultrasound scan of lever shows normal size with fatty changes.
Another ultrasound reports says "Normal in size, shape and position,
Uniform and normal echo pattern. No intrahepatic biliary dilatation.
No mass lessions.
Another ultra sound report says "Normal lever - CBD / PV - normal
Gall bladder showed two tiny stones measuring 6.6 mm. Another ultrasound showed 1.7 cm in total (all small stones)
Another blood test has been done one week before, which shows HBsAg:Negative.
I feel mild pain/rather discomfort and it is localized on the upper
quadrant under right side ribcage, which sometimes travels to left side under the ribcage also. When I feel pain on the right side, it causes belching. I also feel pain in the back ribs of both right and left. Initially, I felt great pain on the right side on a bumpy road, while driving a car. I have gastrointestinal problem also and has unusal amount of gas and belching, I hear sounds of gases in my belly. The gases problem started 2 months ago and gb stones and HB are its discovery. My urine and stool tests are normal. This mild pain/discomfort on the right side is intermittent/almost continuous. In the beginning, this pain was very severe and I used to get pain killers, which used to give me relief.
Now, the diagnostic puzzle is as to what is causing this pain.
Is the liver causing pain: No, because I am cleared of infection. I did not know about history of HB, when I contracted and when I recovered. I am not a carrier also now.
Gall stones: Not sure because gb stones pain is very very severe. In my case, it is continuous and mild and also moves towards left side sometime. I don't feel pain in the shoulders.
Gases or IBS: This could be the possible suspect, as I hear sounds of gases. If I am full of gases, can i feel the pain on a bumpy road, while driving. I also feel pain on the back of my right and left ribs while standing from a sitting position on a chair.
Can stones in the gall bladders cause unusual gases or can be intermittent/continuous or cause bloating, as I feel immediately after meals. The doctors are split over this issue.
Somebody told me the following easy procedures to remove gall stones, which are tried methods by some people :
1) Take 6 pieces of dried figs soaked in a little milk and eat empty stomach. A man with terrible pain got relief from this in a period of six months.
2) One glass of raddish juice with one teaspoonful of salt for two weeks and some people got rid of stones.
3) Sombody suggested one tablespoonful of olive oil immediately followed by fresh lemon juice
I am working on the first method.
I will try the above methods one by one but please suggest to me any other fool-proof and safe method of getting rid of these stones.
I am also afraid that by trying any of the methods, my stones may not get stuck in bile duct creating an emergency situation.
Where on this website are questions-answers by doctors of this naturopathy.
Your responses are appreciated and I wish you all safe and speedy recovery from your diseases.
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This is a reply to # 65,493Hi Kan
Thank you for sharing this with us, it is very interesting. I will do my best to help, but please understand that I am not a doctor and can only relate to you my own experience.
I too have experienced the type of pain you describe and I too have been told that my liver is of normal size, shape and is functioning normally. I would question though whether the diagnostic techniques would pick up intrahepatic cholesterol stones. Those that are small and non-calcified would not be picked up by ultrasound or X ray and may not cause enough inflammation to be detected. They may however interfere with normal bile production and flow and cause intermittent inflammation and pain as they mover through the ducts causing temporary obstructions as they go. (Take a look at the pictures on this site)
The same is true of stone detection in the gall bladder itself i.e. non-calcified stones will not show up on ultrasound and it is possible for the gallbladder to be full of cholesterol stones that do not show up when these diagnostic methods are applied.
My opinion is that you are very likely experiencing pain and discomfort for the liver and gallbladder and that a sensible cleansing regime coupled with liver support would be a course of action you might consider.
The bloating may well be happening simply because you are unable to digest your food properly due to insufficient bile flow. Partially digested fats in the system are likely to cause some symptoms one of which could well be bloating.
I have not head of the fig in milk method, but I would be concerned whether the milk is beneficial as many doctors in the UK firmly believe (and have research to support it) that diary consumption is a major factor in the formation of gallstones.
Radish juice I have head of but do not have personal experience of.
Olive oil and lemon taken in small quantities each day on an empty stomach can be useful as a mild cleanse.
I have myself got a stone stuck (I believe) following a cleanse and I managed to move it by taking a teaspoon on Epsom Salts daily. Generally though taking the Epsom Salts with the cleanse prevents this from happening. I was very worried the first time I did the cleanse, but I thought ‘better this than the knife’ and it turned out to be a surprisingly okay experience.
My advice to you would be to read through the site thoroughly, it answers just about any question you will be able to think of. It might also be a good ideal to consider doing a parasite cleanse as parasites can cause all sorts of digestive problems (certainly bloating and wind) as well as interfering with cleansing. I know it can be difficult excepting that you may have parasites, but lets face it, all other mammals do carry these pests, there is no reason to believe that humans would be different. A parasite cleanse is not difficult or unpleasant and may people feel much better for doing this. Again, all the information you would need can be found on these sites of one of the links it provides.
As I said, I am not a doctor and besides, you are in your body, so do the reading, have a good think and then do what feels best for you.
Best of Luck
Jasmine
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