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I have a 7 yr old daughter who has been diagonosed with encopresis, it is soiling with leakage. She has been like this since age 4. She had a xray and is very much impacted with stool and gas. Also has unexplained weight gain, belly aches,pot belly,
redness around anal area, itchy eyes, seems aggitated quickly, Body Odor after outside play, craves sweets.
I did notice the other day after eating raspberry sherbet ice cream that she complained more of her belly aching than normally.
She was in pain right afterwards.
She is a very active girl, eats normally, plays outside, in sports, teacher does notice she tends to be off in another land when she is teaching class. She does have a great memory.
I dont have alot of junk food in the house, she eats like a typical child, not finishing up plate, etc. But she loves sweets, oranges, etc.. In fact she should have been gaining all of this weight during the holidays instead of now, considering she was exposed more to it then. She is 14 lbs over normal weight for her age.Dr. put her on stool softener, it is helping her go more than not having it at all. She also does go but still impacted according to 2nd xray. But not as bad as the first. She can eat corn tonite and not eleminate it for 4 days. Slow metabolism, Dr. said. Had Thyroid checked out, it was fine. Blood Sugar and iron were fine. I am puzzled, I love her so much and I feel like I cant help her. She goes to G I ped. Specialist in a couple of weeks.
But if you can offer suggestions it would help out alot. By the way I have searched many boards for a long time and you are the best site, very active. Thanks again.
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... ocean
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This is a reply to # 570,282hi, i have a daughter too, altho she is a few yrs older, so i know how you must feel. from your description she sounds like she's getting toxic. i'd suggest for starters eliminating sweets. i know it's hard for kids to do that but she may have candida growth in her belly. i'd also put her on a parasite cleanse. she may have worms obstructing her intestines. the para gone is easy to take and the company (renew life) has also a parasite especially for kids. both these treatments can take care of the parasites and the candida (unless it's full blown!). also make sure she drinks lots of water not colas!
have you tried swedish bitters or any other herbs for digestion?
they do not recommend laxitives on this forum but i don't see why not take some laxitive herbs to help get rid of the initial impaction. i'm not sure if she would be pleased to do a coffee enema or a colonic. so try the herbs. find something with rhubarb root, dandelion,slippery elm, peppermint...
hope that is a start! good luck!
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... #164634
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This is a reply to # 570,284The Dr. did have me give her enemas, and I believe that is why her 2nd xray came back better. She (DR.) had me give her 2 everyday
for 3 straight days. I did call a local health store here and they carry the para gone. What should I get for the Yeast in the stomach. Is there anyway I can buy a test for both of these, to see if she does have one or the other? Thanks again.
- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... UserX
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This is a reply to # 570,304Although I usually don't recommend a lot of cleansing for kids...given that your daughter is so impacted and given that she had good results with the enemas...I would strongly encourage you to find someone who will perform colonics on her. BUT make sure that you locate someone who has experience with children, has child-size speculums, and will allow you to be present with her during the procedure. A colonic is much more effective than an enema because the quantity of water used during the procedure is so much greater...2 qts vs. 15-20 gallons! A colonic will also help to rehydrate her...which an enema won't do. And actually a colonic is generally a more comfortable procedure...although how at ease she feels with the therapist is also a factor (and part of the reason that you should insist on being present). A few colonics should be sufficient to clear out the entire impaction...a colonic can remove loosened waste in the entire length of the colon...all the way to the cecum! You can find a referral from the International Association for Colon Hydrotherapy...i-act.org...and I would also recommend that you ask folks at the health food store for a recommendation.
Without a doubt...some of her symptoms are the result of the build-up of toxins in her body from not having regular bowel movements. She may also be experiencing allergic reactions or food sensitivities ...in addition to the possibility of candida and/or parasites. Unfortunately there is no test that you can administer for any of these...other than the detective work you do during a Rotation Diet to see what she may be reacting to or the questionnaires for candida/parasites. But there are doctors who perform tests for these conditions...stool analysis and blood tests...and Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs is a great lab to perform the tests. You can contact them through their website... gsdl.com...and they can provide you with referrals for doctors in your area that do the testing (very specialized...many doctors do NOT do this kind of testing).
I hope this is helpful...good luck to you!
- Ooops...forgot! UserX
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This is a reply to # 570,307If you decide to try colonics for her...find someone that performs closed-system colonics...they will be far more effective for her than an open-system.
Also...here is another website that you might find interesting:
http://www.drrapp.com/
Dr. Rapp is a physician who specializes in environmental medicine and pediatric allergies...she has found some amazing connections between kids behavior, emotional state, school performance, etc. and their exposures to chemicals and reactions to foods...sometimes very dramatic. She has some info on her website and also several books that you may find helpful.
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... ocean
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This is a reply to # 570,304wow, brave little girl. my daugher would run far and fast if i had to do an enema on her. i think she'd rather drink the worst tasting thing out there first.
i don't know about candida tests. maybe ask on the Candida Forum .
however i tend to disagree about not cleansing kids.
maybe not the liver, but the parasite cleanse in kids dose is important...from my point of view.
kids might as well have their hands and fingers growing out of their heads. lol. these are always in their mouth...touching, exploring life around them and then tasting it. as they get older there is alot of nail biting and you know how much they store under their dirty little nails? you can't make them wash their hands enough! they would be washing all day! so, that is why i say try a parasite cleanse (for kids) for her and at the same time enemas or colonic to get rid of what is in her. if she has worms or candida you will especially want to get that stuff out of her after it is dead or it may make her sick. (die -off)
i just recently purchases greens+ which i've been ranting and raving about on this forum, it does come in kids dose and flavor and i think she will most greatly benefit from it. it has all the green,enzymes,probiotics and much more in it! it's yummy and easily mixed into a drink.
good luck to you!- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... UserX
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This is a reply to # 570,313Ocean is soooo right about parasite cleansing for kids...I recommend a regular 'deworming' for everyone...children too! When I've mentioned that I'm not so keen on cleansing with kids...I should clarify that I'm referring to the more intensive Colon Cleanses or Master Cleanse or fasting...anything that is restricting nutrients (even short-term) or anything that they may not understand well or is lengthy.
- PTree Tracey
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This is a reply to # 570,340Hi PTree! Yes, I had remembered your view of this....I should have qualified my statement about cleansing for children with some details! I'm glad you're here to give your expert opinion! (we want you back.......)
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This is a reply to # 570,340Hi Ptree,
I just read one of your most recent messages about transit time and my daughter goes everyday but her transit time is like 4 days.
I learned this with giving her okra a few wks ago on a Sat. night and she got rid of it Wed. night. She is on a stool softener called Miralax. It is prescribed. A few times I gave her enemas
she had a good bowel movement but oily substance floating on top.
Also she sometimes has stringy-thick long looking movements.
Dr. said she has slow metabolism but her energy level is very high.
However had her thyroid check and it is fine. She would get constipated when she was a baby alot. But I never let her go 2 days without a B/M. Her stomach gets bloated alot and Dr. noticed a few lbs of not-needed weight gain. She (Dr.) said she has about 5 lbs of feces up in her. According to the xray. 2nd xray she still had the gas and feces but not as bad as the 1st one.
What would cause this 4 day transit time? If you could help me out I would greatly appreciate it .
Thanks,
Diana- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... UserX
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This is a reply to # 570,380Hi Diane!
Transit time just means the amount of time it takes for food to get from one end out the other. There are a few possibilities that might account for her slow transit time...and it is also possible that there is a combination of factors. The doctor says her thyroid is okay, but her metabolism is slow...but the thyroid is responsible for metabolism...so I'm not sure what is meant here. The blood tests for thyroid functioning are not always an accurate reflection of what is happening with her thyroid hormones...she may be manufacturing them fine, but her body may be creating antibodies to destroy them...known as Hashimoto's disease. You might want to do a bit of research on basal temperature testing for thyroid functioning and start keeping track of her temps. Any problem with her thyroid functioning/metabolism could effect her bowel functioning and result in increased transit time.
Weak peristalsis can also result in increased transit time...the muscle tone is just not strong enough in the bowel to efficiently move waste through the intestines. Lack of adequate fiber, poor general muscle tone, some neurological conditions and overuse of laxatives (including laxative herbs) can contribute to impaired peristalsis.
Another possibilty is that she is simply so impacted that even though she goes fairly often...she is just incredibly backed up and it is causing a blockage. There are even people who move their bowels a couple of times a day and may still be constipated...because it is not only the frequency of movements, but the quantity that is eliminated. The movements should be complete and result in a satisfied empty feeling...passing a pellet or two is not going to clear out the waste.
And...again...it is possible that she is having a reaction to something she is eating or something in her environment. Allergies, sensititvities and reactions...whether to chemicals, foods, inhalants, etc....can have a great effect on digestive functioning...including constipation, gas, bloating, weight gain...as well as creating a variety of symptoms in any system of the body. The presence of any pathogenic organisms (ie. candida, parasites) does likewise and should be ruled out.
I hope this is helpful...I will be away from my computer for the next few days while I'm moving. If you have any additional questions for me...please hold off for a few days and post them in a new thread and I will get back to you ASAP! ; )
- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... UserX
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- PTree Tracey
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... UserX
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- ps..yeast ocean
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This is a reply to # 570,304if she has worms or yeast the paragone should take care of it since it has yeast killing ingredients in it. i don't imagine it would be as bad in her as in someone who has had candida for many many years so an added candida treatment may not be necessary.
- Simple home test for Candida #164634
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This is a reply to # 570,314I just found this while searching the web for Candida test.
It wont hurt to try it.I plan on the whole family doing it in the morning.
Try this simple test to see if you have candida. First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, get a clear glass. Fill with water and work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour. If you have a candida yeast infection, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or “cloudy” saliva will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be suspended in the water. If there are no stings and the saliva is still floating after at least one hour, you are probably candida yeast free. ThreeLac could then be used to maintain good bowel flora and proper pH and prevent candida from coming back as we are always exposed to candida and it is always living in our guts in the yeast form. We just don't want it to overgrow or to morph into the fungal form. ThreeLac can prevent this from happening again.
Most people fail the spit test. I have heard that over 80% of the population has candida yeast overgrowth. When you are using ThreeLac, it is a good idea to continue to test yourself. You will start to see fewer and fewer strings hanging down.
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... UserX
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... Tracey
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This is a reply to # 570,282Ocean has great advice.
Definitely cut out sweets AND milk products (they give her a tummy ache).
Get her eating more raw vegetables...
Read Journey to the Center of the Colon and Last Resort and New West Diet, Allergies....on the website linked below! You will inspired after you read those articles! You can totally help your daughter, it just sounds like she's allergic to Sugar and milk and she's getting toxic. She needs more raw vegetables in her diet and more fresh pure water...warm in the morning...
If you buy a really good probiotics (primal defense is one) I'm sure that would do wonders for her...You just have to keep at it diligently for a month or two and see if you notice improvements. (cutting out Sugar and milk and adding probiotics and lots of water and fresh veggies)
No cleansing is necessary - she's so young - but those changes could really help her! Read those articles....I hope we hear back from you about your daughter's improvements! And won't that be great to show the doctor you did it on your own!? yes!
Tracey- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... jkj
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This is a reply to # 570,290MY CHILD HAS IT TOO. LOTS OF WATER WATER WATER. CUT OUT KOOLAID AND SODAS TOO THIS WILL HELP. WHEN THEY ARE SICK AND TAKING MEDS THIS MAKES THEM CONSTAPATED ALSO, SO LOTS OF WATER.J
- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... jkj
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... Lapis
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This is a reply to # 570,282I absolutly agree with P Tree. colonic cleansing could offer her a much deeper cleansing of her colon with many benefits. Doris Rapp has extensive experience with children and there is highly likely an environmental tie in to the situation. Did anything change in her environment (at home or at school) just before this began happening? Any new meds? Have you travelled recently? Some detective work may be in order here to hone in on the right treatment. colonics will help but it is imperative to investigate the cause of the situation. If you could share some more details some of us may be able to look deeper.
Information bfrom Doris can be found HERE - Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... Blueduck
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This is a reply to # 570,282maiden67,
I sure would listen to what Ptree and Lapis are telling you. They both are very knowledgeable. Herbal laxatives can create a dependency....not good, just creates more problems. You may want to check out this site posted at the bottom. I do not see how age can have anything to do with needing or not needing to cleanse. If there is a problem with bowel movements, seek the answer. If the enemas were working why were they discontinued ? I can understand that you are feeling that you cannot help your dear child but you can help. You can help by not giving her any junk food and encouraging her to eat the delicious other things that you can add to her diet. You can also try and get her to move her bowels more often, even if she says that she does not have to go. Eat vegetables with her !! If you could give more information it would be helpful.
Blueduck- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... Starlet
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This is a reply to # 570,3361) If it is Candida, the McCombs plan does work - for adults. I am not sure of the modifications for children though. Perhaps Dr. McCombs could advise you of that.
2) Lead poisoning can cause chronic constipation. Maybe you should have her heavy metals tested?
3) Check her levels of Iodine. If it is low, maybe she cannot produce thyroid hormone.
I hope this information can be helpful.
- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... Starlet
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- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... Nonni
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This is a reply to # 570,282After having experienced all your daughter did as a child and adult, I empathized with you. I was sent to specialist for each symptom by my internal med doc. Finally, I did my own research. Everything pointed to low functioning thyroid. After the internist gave two thyroid tests, one year apart, and both within 'normal' ranges, I found a new physician. This one listened to my long history, smiled at me and said I was a poster child for hypothyroidism. She further said my 'norm' was not the typical norm, and explained how many are undiagnosed due to inaccurate lab ranges.
Don't give up! I started taking first a synthetic replacement, then switched to desiccated pig thyroid. After taking about one year to adjust the dosage to a therapeutic level, I feel myself again!Look at Mary Shomon's very informative website. She is one of the best for keeping up on the latest research, and advocacy.
I wish the best to you and your daughter.
- Re: help, my 7 yr old stays impacted... ocean
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