If there is NO Haven or Hell ... 
tabi
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How many of you will love Jesus if :
.there is no Haven
.there is no Hell
.God is not going to punish for anything
.Jesus has nothing to offer you (for example he can not save or put put you in any hell oe heaven)
if your answer is "yes, i will still love jesus".. then you need to give reason "Why?" .. there should not be any poetic description. Answer should come right through your mind, not from your heart. You need not to quote anything from Bible or from any Christianity Praising book.. I need your answer, your authentic answer.
Why will you love Jesus if there is no Haven or Hell concept?
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tabi
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I will... Lapis
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This is a reply to # 411,279...Love (respect) him as I do everyone.
BTW, I can "save" myself, but it is nice to have an example of one of many people who can crack the "story" and get clear. Thanks Jeshua ben Joseph (Jesus) for showing a way to get to "christ consciousness." Everyone contributes to the life experience and this was his.
- this is not the answer.. tabi
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MoreThis is a reply to # 411,281I asked.. if yes then Why?
and also you are not responsible for everyone. you give your opinion and leave the rest on others..
tell me why will you love and for what reason?
thank you for participating.
regards
tabi- Re: this is not the answer.. Lapis
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This is a reply to # 411,282It was my answer (maybe not the one you are seeking?)
Let me take it a bit further.....I respect (love as truth) everyone's role in the grand design that is the life experience. It's all important. To me this respect is love.
- Re: this is not the answer.. tabi
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MoreThis is a reply to # 411,283I am not seeking anything Lapis.. I am not expecting anything from you which is in mind.. and the truth is.. there is no answer in my mind.. I simply need to know everybody's opinion on it..
I simply asked, if you would love then why? and i think you didnt make it clear.. WHY?
thank you once again.
Regards
Tabish- Re: this is not the answer.. scooby43215
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This is a reply to # 411,284Perhaps because humans are designed to love. Perhaps that is our innate calling to so speak--to love. Therefore, that would be the explanation you are pushing for.
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- Re: this is not the answer.. tabi
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- Oh yes, more so because there IS NOT... 9thbody
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This is a reply to # 411,279in the traditional sense; Life is what you make of it and it is immortal-
He was a great teacher, and a great truster of creative flow by virtue of our consciousness....He was/is a master of our true Indenity~ Sat Nam Tabi
- Re: If there is NO Haven or Hell ... anonymousjane_01
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This is a reply to # 411,279"How many of you will love Jesus if :
.there is no Haven
.there is no Hell
.God is not going to punish for anything
.Jesus has nothing to offer you (for example he can not save or put put you in any hell oe heaven)"
Yes, I will b/c God has infinite power.
I must say though your question is loaded. What you are really saying is, "Would you still believe in God even if there really wasn't a God who sent His Word to us humans?" The answer would be obvious, No, b/c He is not in my mind to begin with.
That's like saying would you still love cars if
They could not transport you
They shot oil on your clothes anytime you stood in front of one
They could only fit one passenger max
What would your answer be...It would be no, b/c the very purpose of a car would not exist.
The analogy may not be the best in the world, but your question was almost unanswerable. Nonetheless, I have a question for you...would you still be an atheist if you knew God did exist, and He would punish you, and send you to Heaven or Hell?
aj
- Re: If there is NO Haven or Hell ... tabi
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This is a reply to # 411,329You given the answer.. but may be by mistake.
You are right, If there is no purpose to love God/Jesus, why would we? The whole chaos of religion is on purpose. That is why i wanted to hear.
I didnt say that is there is no God, i asked, that if there is no heavn or hell or any kind punishment then will you still love jesus.. and you said.. no.. this is what i wantsed to ask. The love which you PRETEND towards jesus or God, if you look inside you, you will know it all comes from your fear. If there is no fear, why will anyone love to god or jesus.
Those who are cristian, says that if you dont follow jesus, God will punish you. You ask muslim they will say if you dont follow Muhammd, you will be punished. Ask Hindus, they have more than 10 million gods and godesses, they have same logic.. so the thing is.. if you dont follow jesus, you know you will be punished and loving jesus is your helplessness.. nothing else. You can give millions of reason why you love jesus.. but none of your answer will satisfy even to yourself if you can see yourself truly. We stop seeing within us because we know that a bit doubt can put us in haven.. so it is better to keep praising jesus and keep praising god and support eachother's faith because we know deep down it has nothing.. you are praising in voide, because deep down you relly dont know WHAT THE TRUTH IS.
My question was for the people who are below 30 years of age.. I didnt ask this question to the women who are more thn 45 years of old and they are used to of loving jesus and loving god. I wanted to ask this from people who have just begun their journey of life. Only they can be rebelious and only they have the power to see.
The more old you get the more junk your collect in your heart and mind in the name of religion. I can understand your problem if you are old enough because if you drop this fear, you will feel like someone has taken your clothes and in this age it is difficult for you to be naked.
So for old women and men i would like to say that.. Keep loving jesus and god without asking any reason from yourself.. and those who are young enough.. need to explore. because Faith is for blind people. if you are not blind then you need to experience GOD. Don't faith just because your grand mother is doing so. Because at the end God can ask you what did you do in your life? did i send you just because to follow others, like dog and sheep?
- Whew - all this twisted logic. #26160
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This is a reply to # 411,334Sorry, I don't mean to be inflammatory here, but anyone who says 'we love God because I don't want to go to hell' probably has never cultivated any kind of real relationship with God. There are more than a few errors here that in all fairness need to be adressed. First of all, God doesn't 'punish' anyone by sending them to hell. Wether you believe in hell or not is not the issue here, for all of you ready to pounce on me. I'm addressing the person who said God will punish and send to hell....etc.,. First of all, God came in the form of Jesus to *save* us from hell, a place that was NOT created for humans. We, and only we, send ourselves to hell, get that???? God has made the way for us to avoid that, and in that sense, we love Him that He rescued us from our own self-inflicted fate, not His ill-will. God doesn't want anyone, anywhere to go to hell ever! Getting this wrong is an irresponsible use of the Word and dangerous.
Furthermore, we love God because of *Who* He is, not because if we don't love Him then we are in deep doo-doo. Even a tiny baby would be wise enough to see through that one. We love Him for all of His attributes, and I need not list them here, but they can be readily found. So in answer to the original question, yes, we would love God in every circumstance because what we are loving is the goodness, perfection and the essence of perfect love that He is, and love calls to love. If you still want to see God, Christians or whatever in a negative light, hey, be my guest, I'm not trying to convince you. But that needed some straightening out.
And tabi, I can understand when you ask that your question be answered without using references to a book for which you hold no respect or esteem of any sort, but to say answer from your mind, not your heart? C'mon, you would have to define first for us how you see the sharp definition between things of the heart and things of the intellect, which in the case of faith, are closely intertwined. It's fair to ask intelligent questions, but not to assume the lack thereof in the answers of others, as in that you negate your own.- Re: Whew - all this twisted logic. nick5
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This is a reply to # 411,335"Wether you believe in hell or not is not the issue here, for all of you ready to pounce on me. I'm addressing the person who said God will punish and send to hell....etc.,. First of all, God came in the form of Jesus to *save* us from hell, a place that was NOT created for humans. We, and only we, send ourselves to hell, get that???? God has made the way for us to avoid that, and in that sense, we love Him that He rescued us from our own self-inflicted fate, not His ill-will."
This my friends, is moron logic.
If your god character was so good, and if he was really your father and creator and all that, you wouldn't need to love him and accept him in order to be saved. He'd not let anyone go to hell. He'd not care for their beleifs, he'd save everyone. Especially since he doesn't even have to make an effort for it (do you even understand the concept of all powerfullness? it means he could do it by snapping his fingers). If he was so good and if he was pure love as you guys say, he'd save EVERY single person, make no mistake about that.
I mean if I had that power, I would, because I'm a kind and loving person. But he doesn't? That makes me kinder than him.
Ok I hear you already, "so you'd let people go unpunished!!" My answer to that is no. Nobody would HAVE to be punished because nobody would do anything bad. A perfect god that has infinite power can create a perfect creation easily, without making any mistake. The only reason why he wouldn't (and this is the case for your stupid god character) is to sit back and watch everybody suffer. Let's face it, he's all knowing, so he would have known about the snake in advance and worked on his creation to make it perfect (and as I said, it couldve been done only by snapping his fingers).
This thing is, a father who cares for his children will not let them do anything they want if he knows it's gonna bring consequences that they won't like. So the god character is a very bad god.
"We love Him for all of His attributes, and I need not list them here, but they can be readily found."
Yeah, like cruelty, evilness, greed, jealousy, hypocrisy, etc...? Face it the bible lies when it says god is perfect and he is pure love. This ugly book contradicts itself on every page.
Tabi is a very smart person and he is 100% right. Religion uses fear to keep it's victims. This is the only reason why the church CREATED teh concept of heaven and hell. Tabi congratulation for your great thread. Too bad those guys are too brainwashed to realize their foolishness even after that. They'll never see the light no matter how much logic and common sense you throw at them.
But hey at least you tried.
- Re: Whew - all this twisted logic. nick5
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