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anyone had this done? haven't spoken to doctor yet, but got the report.
it says that i'm high in barium, tin, magnesium & calcium. i was sure it
would say high in mercury, but it's low. i've been reading about barium,
seems to be alot in tap water, but i drink bottled poland spring water or
figi.
my symtoms were worse about 6 months ago, but still not well. my symtoms
include: nervousness, anxiety, racing heartbeat,nausea, depression,rashes
can this be right???
i had 9 Amalgams removed about 10 months ago..haven't felt well since.
any thoughts?
thx
janey :-)
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MoreThis is a reply to # 35,675wow janey. that's a drag, feeling crumby like that. i had a hair analysis done. aluminum showed up and a little arsenic (!). no mercury and i have one amalgam. i was high in calcium, very high in magnesium, low in sodium, very low in potassium. low in iron, copper manganese, zinc, chromium, selenium and a little low in phosphorus.i'm doing an expensive program with an nd thru whom i got the analysis done. i'll let you know if her ionic waters and rna, supergreen food and phosfood supplements do anything. just started her program monday.
have you considered chelating? naturally? with cilantro, cholorella, yellow dock, etc.? i'm trying it. i don't know if it addresses aluminum but it's for mercury. here's a site to browse:
http://kitchendoctor.safire.com/discus-kd/messages/25/25.html?11106...
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This is a reply to # 35,675You may be hypersensitive to mercury and still poisoning yourself, with fish, supplements etc, read my earlier post. - Re: got hair analysis back Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 35,675Can you post the numbers from the hair test (along with reference ranges)?
Being low in mercury is often a sign of mercury toxicity as it means that the mercury (which almost everyone has) is not being excreted properly. High calcium is also an indicator of this. But I would have to see more to make a definitive diagnosis.
JV.- Re: got hair analysis back janey1
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This is a reply to # 35,680uranium - .0015
arsenic - .003
beryllium - .0010
mercury - 0.01
cadmium - .001
lead - 0.10
aluminium - 0.4
calcium - 166
magnesium - 18.3
barium - 0.62
tin - .090
stronium - 0.51- Re: got hair analysis back Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 35,692What lab did this test? Was it DDI? Trace elements?
Each element should have a "reference range" on your test results. e.g. on my test my hair calcium is 182, and the reference range is 22-97, so you can see my result is way outside the reference range.
If your results follow a similar scale (they look as though they do) then 166 is very high. You seem to have a classic deranged mineral profile (in the Cutler sense) which is indicative of mercury toxicity.
JV.- Re: got hair analysis back janey1
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This is a reply to # 35,698yes, i believe we did have the same test. mine was by Trace Elements.
it gave the same range yours did.
why do you think the cal/mag is so high and the barium & tin are high?
also, why are all the "toxic elements" low (mercury for instance?).
this is so wierd.
why barium? i drink bottled water....why tin? i don't even eat things out
of a can? and stronlium? i don't even know what that one is.
thanx for all your help/knowlege here, what do you think i should be doing?
janey :-)- Re: got hair analysis back Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 35,700>yes, i believe we did have the same test. mine was by Trace Elements.
it gave the same range yours did.
The ranges are supposed to be age/sex specific, so they may vary slightly.
>why do you think the cal/mag is so high and the barium & tin are high?
High hair calcium is a classic sign of mercury toxicity. High hair calcium actually means that you have *low* body calcium - i.e. your body isn't utilizing calcium properly. (this doesn't mean you should start taking lots of calcium mind you as this will probably make you feel worse, but I do recommend that you try taking magnesium supplements and see if that helps).
> also, why are all the "toxic elements" low (mercury for instance?).
this is so wierd.
Low mercury is actually a sign of mercury toxicity. Basically what mercury does (and what no other element does) is to mess up your mineral transport. This means that all your minerals look out of place (some too high, many too low). This is also why all your other toxic elements are low - mine are too.
> why barium? i drink bottled water....why tin? i don't even eat things out
of a can? and stronlium? i don't even know what that one is.
If it helps I have high strontium too (0.43, was 0.55). Don't think that because an element is high that means you are overdosing on that element. Not at all. Because you have deranged mineral profile many things will be off whack. For example I had elevated Titanium early on - at the time I thought I was eating too much titanium - but I found out recently that elevated Titanium is one of the first signs of mercury toxicity.
> thanx for all your help/knowlege here, what do you think i should be doing?
janey :-)
You've removed all Amalgams right? Well the next thing would be to learn about how to chelate safely - basically this means following the Cutler protocol (which is what I plan on doing). I recommend you get hold of a copy of his book. http://www.noamalgam.com/
JV.
BTW how would you feel about having a forum here on curezone for people following the Cutler protocol? There seem to be an awful lot of people out there either suffering in silence or following dangerous protocols.
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This is a reply to # 35,705wow...so i am mercury poisined after all. thanks for that wealth of info.
i have the andy cutler book.it's a bit confusing for me. i would LOVE to have a forum only for andy cutler stuff. you are right there are so many of us just suffering so badly in silence.
i really don't know where to begin to detox. you know when your not feeling well, everything is soooo overwhelming. i also have the lovely candida from this all, which i have never had in my life.
i have some sun chorella, i guess i should take it, but i heard it stirs up the metals and can make you feel sick. i will do the saunas & clay. i guess i should take another hair analysis test in a few weeks??
glad to know i'm not the only one with these wacky results, they are so weird!
any other wonderful advice you can give me? when did you have yours removed and has
your detox been going well. love to hear your story.
janey- Re: got hair analysis back Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 35,707janey in case you didn't know on your feedback I got webmaster to set up the "Chelation: Cutler protocol" forum.
If you want to continue the discussion over there you are most welcome.
JV.
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- Re: got hair analysis back boronia
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This is a reply to # 35,705>BTW how would you feel about having a forum here on curezone for people following the Cutler protocol? There seem to be an awful lot of people out there either suffering in silence or following dangerous protocols
Great idea Johnny!! :)
Anne- Re: got hair analysis back Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 35,711>BTW how would you feel about having a forum here on curezone for people following the Cutler protocol? There seem to be an awful lot of people out there either suffering in silence or following dangerous protocols
Great idea Johnny!! :)
Anne,
its something I've been kicking around for a while. Here are my reasons. The yahoo frequent dose group is cryptically named, and is lacking any kind of expertise. At the same time it is heavily censored. The yahoo autism group is much better, but the volume of messages is too high and it is geared largely towards autism. In any case the yahoo group format isn't the most user friendly.
On curezone the Candida Forum here has lots of people dealing with mercury issues, as do the Amalgam Forum , the chelation forum, and the multitude of other dental forums. But the Candida Forum is also full of complete newbies who don't have a clue and are just here to ask "where can I buy threelac in the toronto area?" etc.
So there are a lot of people who would benefit from chelation right here on curezone.
Chelation is scary. Rather than doing it on our own, we can do it with others - in much the same way as the Liver Flush Forum functions. Only we don't have to physically chelate at the same time, but people can if they like. A buddy system if you will.
The important thing is to make a start and to pool our experiences/expertise. Cutlers book is a great start to the world of chelation, but many find it overwhelming, and even for those of us who don't there are many unanswered questions. How to best control candida whilst chelating? And probably the main question - how long will it take, and can I speed it up in any way.
The rules of the forum would be that it was there to discuss Chelation using the Cutler protocol. Of course people would be free to discuss other ways of chelating mercury, but the assumption would be that everyone there has at least read Cutler (or plans to) and agrees with the basic methodology. If they don't there are plenty of other forums.
One of the main blocks to people accepting the need to chelate is the leap of faith it requires to understand a mercury hair test. One of the functions of the forum could be to collect as many hair test results as possible and allow people to see the diagnostic value of a "deranged mineral profile".
Naming is difficult. For names I was thinking of something along the lines of:
"Chelation: Cutler protocol". Frequent dose is too cryptic. Chelation on its own already exists (not a good idea to take over a pre-existing forum). Cutler protocol on its also a bit cryptic.
What do you think?
JV.
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This is a reply to # 35,712Johnny I think it's a great idea! You're right about the Candida Forum plus I'm starting to feel we're completely taking it over with our Cutler discussions!!
I also agree about the yahoo groups plus TK made it clear recently that it is the main focus of discussion of the group so it's not very flexible. At least a new forum here would be open to wider discussions. The more groups the better anyway! :) Plus we'd have you to do all the hair analysing ;) You're officially designated hair analyst!! Until I get the Cutler hair book haha ;)
I think the name is a good one, covers everything....yes anything else would be too cryptic.
Hmmmmm do you know having said all that, maybe we should just use the chelation forum as that should encompass ALL protocols anyway. Since we're taking over all the other forums, why not just move to that one with more discussion about hair tests? Sorry for the lack of decisiveness!
Anne
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This is a reply to # 35,713> Hmmmmm do you know having said all that, maybe we should just use the chelation forum as that should encompass ALL protocols anyway. Since we're taking over all the other forums, why not just move to that one with more discussion about hair tests? Sorry for the lack of decisiveness!
Because if you don't mention Cutler or confine it to Cutler then chelation can be used as a springboard for just about anything. People could come on and say "chelate with product x,y,z" with no regard for whether:
1. x,y,z actually chelate
2. no knowledge of what the word chelate even means
3. no knowledge of whether x,y,z are dangerous to use
Also it would be nice to have a new forum - with no baggage, no history, no 4 month old messages with no replies. Something brand, spanking new. New just like the Cutler protocol. New just like the realisation that mercury may be behind many peoples seemingly intractable health complaints.
A new forum is the best way to alert people to a new possibility.
I'm only interested in chelation protocols which are safe and proven. The only protocol which fulfills both those is Cutler. However I am not so dogmatic to believe that Cutler answers ever single question or that he is right about everything. Some leeway is needed.
But not so much that the focus of the forum is taken away from safe, proven protocols towards unsafe, unproven protocols. Chelation is a highly specialist area not suited to "dabblers".
Sticking the words "Cutler protocol" gives a clear message: this is the main subject of this forum. It stops people coming in to be disruptive or to peddle their products. Its a polite way of saying - this is a support forum for people who are trying to chelate according to the Cutler protocol. If you have no knowledge of what the Cutler protocol is and have no interest in finding out, then do not enter. It also allows people who believe in other protocols (there are some) to continue discussing/posting on the other forums.
JV.- Re: got hair analysis back boronia
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This is a reply to # 35,714Ok yes they are very good points and it would be very helpful to have a chelation forum with a clear focus.
I can see the first message....
"I'm interested in chelating the Cutler way but haven't started yet as I'm terrified!!!!"
Anyway are you going to suggest it to webmaster?
Anne
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This is a reply to # 35,712I would agree with this as well, and for the same reasons. The Frequent Dose group would appear to be the best for people in our situation, but Andy doesn't spend much time there, and they are wound a little too tight, if you catch my meaning. I follow the protocol very strictly, threw out all my chlorella and so forth, but it got to be too much even for me.
Also, I hate the format of Yahoo Groups.
Overall, great post and idea, and I would look forward to contributing to it. Maybe Andy would be willing to post on occasion as well.
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This is a reply to # 35,752> and they are wound a little too tight, if you catch my meaning
I know exactly what you mean.
> Also, I hate the format of Yahoo Groups.
You and me both! Especially when they are "moderated". It can be 24 hours before you know whether or not your message was accepted.
>Maybe Andy would be willing to post on occasion as well.
Its funny you should say that ...
:-)
JV.
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This is a reply to # 35,675Hi Janey,
I too had a hair analysis that showed normal mercury amounts. Some time later I began doing infra-red saunas - and surprise! Mercury showed high after that on blood tests. Prior to taking the saunas, my blood test showed mercury to be absent. Mercury was being released in the saunas, it came out of the organs and tissues went into the blood. If your body is holding on to mercury, you will have a normal test. Mercury tests that show no mercury really don't mean anything, in my experience. I can guarantee, absolutely guarantee, that if you had 9 fillings, the mercury is in there, hiding.
Getting the fillings out may have exacerbated your symptoms. The removal process isn't perfect, and mercury can be released into your body at that point.
If you showed high on those other metals, chances are they're still there, if you haven't kicked them out(so to speak).
The safe ways to get rid of metals that I know of are...
lluanas magnetic clay baths. This website has Great Smokey's testing done before, during, and after the baths, and the stats are impressive.
http://www.magneticclay.com/index.php
Infra-red saunas. I bought my own becuase I was poisoned, although not just by metals. Sometimes chiropractor or wellness centers have infra-red saunas that they rent out by the hour....
Chlorella - lots of it. It gets into the brain and binds with metals there.
Cilantro - I've heard. Haven't tried this one
Homeopathic remedies for metals - can be extremely effective.
Chelation with DMPS - can't recommend this because I've read horror stories (do a search for DMPS on the internet and you'll see it), and its more expensive, and slower,than clay baths, from what I read on the magnetic clay bath site. Dmps just doesn't seem natural to me personally.
There is a CPA chelator, developed from people by harvard (if I'm remembering correctly), its expensive but ....
http://www.pca-rx.info/PCA-RX-comparisons.htm
That's it, all I know.
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This is a reply to # 35,706thanx so much lisa for your info. i really gotta detox here, can live like this.
what do you do other than the sauna? i know i can't do a heavy duty detox, i'm just
not strong enough.- Re: got hair analysis back lisag
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This is a reply to # 35,708
Thx Janey,
Its tough to say what's gonna work best for someone. My hunch is that the correct homeopathic, and PCA-rx, and chlorella, are the absolute easiest. Just a hunch. And chlorella is comatible with other things, doesn't have to be used on its own.
The sauna doesn't have to be rough. i use the brighton brand infra-ref sauna (http://www.brightonsauna.com/) because they have low, med, and high heat settings. I've been told to leave the door open during the sauna so that there's not that much heat. In cases of detox, that's the way they recommend it, in the begininng. The infra-red does as much good as the heat itself. The brand of sauna that i definitely wouldn't go with in your case, ever, is the health-mate model. Their heater has to be on in order for the infra-red portion to come on, which means its not possible to do low heat while gettting the benefit. When I was buying my sauna, I spoke with each company at length. Brighton sauna came out ahead because the infra-red is on all the time regardless of heat setting. With the Health mate the infra-red was only on when the heat was.
In my experience, the saunas are much easier, doing it without high heat, than the clay baths. My experience with the clay baths is that they are the toughest. But when you feel strong enough, they'll get you through it fast (my belief). Seems like they're the absolute quickest way. My experience with the baths was that there was a rough week afterwards - emotionally rough, just felt on edge, and I know that was because the bath itself was sucessful. I don't think the metals coming out is ever completely painless.
I hope I wasn't too long winded here. If you have any other questions about these things, let me know...
LisaG
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