Hi everyone,

Just to fill you in. My first flush produced 1000's of stones. I felt great afterwards - all of my allergies disappeared and constipation and gas was better than it had been in years. Also my shoulder pain went away overnight. After 3 weeks I was getting all of these problems back. I flushed again and this time produced 20 or so large stones and a couple of 100 smaller ones. Again symptoms disappeared. I saved some of the stones and finally got around to testing them in a UV spectrophotometer. This is not a definative test however I did see a major peak at 450 nm where cholesterol absorbs. I'm relatively sure that bile salts don't absorb in this region (although I can't be certain without a sample of bile salts). The control sample was gratefruit juice, olive oil and Epsom Salts and I didn't see a peak at 450. To the none scientists out there this is almost proof that these are gallstones. Just one more test to do and I will try and do that soon. It has now been 3 weeks since my last flush and my gallbladder feel full and my symptoms are back. I will flush this weekend. Does anyone know if it's typical to feel full with these things, because I don't think it's my imagination.
Thanks

And once the oil and alkali is mixed, it goes through a gel stage which produces temps upwards of 150 degrees F. This would be pretty effective in rendering a large portion of your digestive system into a mass of nearly cooked meat. So, to get it straight, if olive oil could possibly saponify in the human body, these things must and will occur.
1. The stomach produces enough alkali (without first producing it's regular acid) to saponify.
2. The oil and alkali are brought together only when the temp of both is around 110 degrees F. and is maintained above 100 degrees to produce the gel phase.
3. The resulting mixture then reaches the gel stage and effectively cooks your intestines.
4. You die as a result of the cooked intestines.

NUFF SAID?

Check out these sites about actual saponification of fats including olive oil.

http://www.soapnuts.com/indexsoap.html
http://www.soapnuts.com/indexoils.html (tells the properties of olive oil in regards to saponification)

There are more. In my experience, you can not make a good solid soaplike substance out of olive oil at all. Not to mention that putting it with an acidic substance such as fruit juice of any kind would complicate the process even more.

Do a search of any soap making site and look for more of the same.

Now, how about a new theory for why they aren't stones???? 'cause this one is getting old. Doing one cleanse is not a cure all and it seems that many of the people who post this garbage about saponified oil have only done one cleanse and were disppointed that they weren't cured. I have never done a cleanse, though I will doing one as soon as I complete my Bowel Cleanse (this week actually) and I know it will take more than one before I get rid of the junk I am carrying.

Ok, must go now, before smoke comes out my ears.....lol

When I started having gall bladder attacks, I passed large stones. Big ones. I saw what they looked like. I was not doing flushes at the time. I didn't consume olive oil. I didn't consume Epsom salt. It hurt like nothing I'd ever experienced. But I *did* pass the gall stones, and I found them in my excrement. They scracthed on the way out.

When I started doing liver flushes, I initially didn't get any large stones. My first two flushes resulted in smaller, tan, Tic-Tac-sized stones, plus green, waxy "bile balls", plus "chaffe".

My third Liver Flush produced green balls plus bona fide gall stones, just like the ones I had passed, with much pain, a year earlier.

Now, I don't know what the green balls are. I don't know what the smaller, Tic-Tac-sized stones are (they are hard). But I know darn well what the gall stones I passed were, both last year and this year, and I know that the gall stones that I passed this year were done painlessly, during the flush.

I have consumed a lot of fat, both animal and vegetable, in my life time. I have been on programs which required me to consume tablespoonfuls of oil at a time, which I would help get down by consuming orange juice (sounds kinda like olive oil plus grapefruit juice, no?). Not once did I ever notice anything unusual about my stool during those programs.

Beyond this, my wife makes all of our soap. She makes it using olive oil (plus other oils). In order to get oil to turn to soap, high, life-terminating temperatures are required. Oils and fats just don't become soap just because you put the chemical ingredients together.

Laura discussed a lot of this earlier. If these were in fact "soap balls", then they should be sudsy. They are not. I've tested them, too, and they're kinda waxy, kinda dough-y, kinda jelly. They are not sudsy.

Soap, by the way, is both water soluble and fat soluble, which is why it works. With all the water and "sloshing" that goes on in your intestines, which is allegedly the basis for this "chemical process" which "makes soap", the soap should dissolve. Leave soap (real, home made soap) in water some time and see how long it remains solid or "ball shaped". Then slosh it around some with your hand and see how long it maintains its "bar" (or "ball") shape.

While there may be some truth to the idea that the oil consumed results in some of the byproducts that we find, there is too much evidence -- personal, I've-seen-it evidence -- which demonstrates that this process does in fact purge gall stones and clean out the liver.

We had one guy come here recently and tell us that the Liver Flush was a "good thing", even though all we were doing was turning oil into soap internally. (Yet why don't people who eat lots of animal fat -- which makes a much more durable soap -- produce tons of soapy material?) In other words, even though we were all fooling ourselves, it was still somehow "beneficial".

To put it more plainly: he was covertly trying to undermine the liver flush. I say "covertly" because his agreeing that Liver Flushing was a "good thing" was his way of trying to be "in".

I've seen this behavior far too many times, in lots of different areas. EVERY viewpoint offered on the Internet which differs in any way from "medical-worshipping modern-science-is-the-only-answer atheist" will invariably have someone show up who cannot sleep at night knowing that the viewpoint exists, and this someone will do everything in his power to prove how wrong it is. Surprising though it may seem, such people exist. Every viewpoint which doesn't match his own is wrong, and he'll pick up some particular viewpoint to rail against. This attack becomes the focal point of his life. *NO* amount of rational explanation can change his mind.

Listen. You have to decide for yourself whether or not Liver Flushing is the route for you. You have to decide if you believe what we're telling you or not. Try it for yourself and you be the judge. And if you ultimately decide that we're all a bunch of lunatics, then so be it. You won't hurt my feelings.

=-John-=