Idealism vs. Realism in Raw Foods 
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I don't resonate with his views. I have visited his site only to shake my head on much of what he has to say. I find that many meat eaters will defend their addictions to the bitter end. I do think people should see this site though, read everything and see how it fights with their own sensibilities. He is very bitter about raw vegan and it comes thru in spades. I have come across many angry meateaters hovering in the same "vibration" range.
I smell a lemming.
I would certainly enjoy seeing him and Gabriel Cousins have a debate.
I wonder if this fellow would accuse Gabriel of being anorexic?
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I don't resonate with his views.
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- Interesting what you said about meat... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 28,634My son said that you are what you eat,
and (we had this discussion several days back,)
that if you notice, most people that eat meat
are angry, become irritated very quickly,
are over aggressive in quite alot of what they do,
and actually become *addicted to desiring MORE meat*
ie: any meal is not a meal
without some form of meat with it.
bacon /sausage etc for breakfast,
meat sandwiches for lunches or meat stews -soups,
even spaghetti isn't REAL without meatballs etc..
then for dinner the big feast, of roasts and etc..
this is way outta control.
even by the fda 's standards,
(who would ever think i would quote THEM ?)
*laugh*
which is tops per day 4 ounces !!
________________________________
if you view any of the horrendous true ways
of ANY animal farming and marketing ,
it is enough to bring anyone to their knees in tears.
the people that work in these torture houses
if you watch any of the films,
show extreme callousness in their mannerisms towards the animals,
they exhibit anger in fact and violence in all their movements..
with no show of consciouness towards the pain they inflict.
we are what we eat..
we also partake in the shared experience
with all that are a part of that cycle.
all that anger . pain and suffering
becomes a part of the people that ingest it.
many of the * preservatives , colorants
and even flavor enhancers
put on animal products are addictive.
do you think that folks want to eat greenish-grey food?
of course not ..they want to see RED meat. RED blood..
what animals eat meat?
predators...
what characteristics do predators show?
you will see many of those in the humans that partake.
___________________________________________
we were created to be herbavores..
the animals that are such,
get all their nutrients well supplied
thru greens etc, as do we..
meat has been mind control mani-pulated into society
in todays world, exceeding far beyond
the arguement of *we were meant to eat it for survival*
well i don't see those lard -laden folks looking starved,
needing to resort to a form of cannibalism
to survive in todays world.
______________________________________
the fact is, atop all of that , you still have to deal with the hormones, Antibiotics , etc genetics- experiments for breeding, etc..
______________________________________
I don't see me wanting to be apart of that picture at all.
the thing is..
we all probably started as meat eaters,
cause our parents taught us to be,
and society promotes it as the normal diet (healthy for you.)
but there comes a time when you can make the choice for yourself and as we share the knowledge we gain.
then we help others to have more to draw on as they make their own choices.
_____________________________________________-
you are what you eat.
I like being a beautiful tree,
I like being a flower.
i like recieving the energies
of rain and gentle breezes,
and life-giving sun ,
that the plants share back into us.
rather than a terrorized murdered animal
with all the angry people's energies absorbed
making their death nothing less that a blood sport.
___________________________________
What was it??
Revolution ? ie: the Beatles?
But when you talk about destruction ..
don't you know that you can count me OUT!
Ami
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My son said that you are what you eat, and we had this disscussion several days back,
that if you notice, most people that eat meat are angry,
become irritated very quickly, are over aggressive in quite alot of what they do,
and actually become *addicted to desiring MORE meat*
ie: any meal is not a meal
without some form of meat with it.
bacon /sausage etc for breakfast,
meat sandwiches for lunches or meat stews -soups,
even spagheitti isn't REAL without meatballs etc..
then for dinner the big feast, of roasts and etc..
this is way outta control.
even by the fda 's standards lol (who would ever think i would quote THEM ?)
*laugh*
which is tops per day 4 ounces !!
________________________________-----
if you view any of the horrendous true ways of ANY animal farming and marketing ,
it is enough to bring anyone to their knees in tears.
the people that work in these torture houses
if you watch any of the films,
show extreme callousness in their mannerisms towards the animals,
they exhibit anger in fact and violence in alltheir movements..
we are what we eat.. we also partake in the shared experience with all that are a part of that cycle.
all that anger . pain and suffering becomes a part of the people that ingest it.
many of the * preservatives , colorants and even flavor enhancers put on animal products are addictive.
do you think that folks want to eat greenish-grey food? of course not ..they want to see RED meat. RED blood..
what animals eat meat?
predators...
what characteristics do predators show?
you will see many of those in the humans that partake.
___________________________________________
we were created to be herbavores..
the animals that are such, get all their nutrients well supplied
thru greens etc, as do we..
meat has been mind control mani-pulated into society in todays world, exceeding far beyond the arguement of
*we were meant to eat it for survival*
well i don't see those lard -laden folks looking starved,
needing to resort to a form of cannibalism
to survive in todays world.
______________________________________
the fact is, atop all of that , yous still have to deal with the hormones, Antibiotics , etc genetics- experiments for breeding, etc..
______________________________________
I don't see me wanting to be apart of that picture at all.
the thing is.. we all probably started as meat eaters, cause our parents taught us to be,
and society promotes it as the normal diet (healthy for you.)
but there come a time when you can make the choice for yourself and as we share the knowledge we gain.
then we help others to have more to draw on as they make their own choices.
_____________________________________________-
you are what you eat.
I like being a beautiful tree,
I like being a flower.
i like the energies of rain and gentle breezes
and life giving sun ,
that the plants share back into us.
rather than a terrorized murdered animal
with all the angry people's energies absorbed
making their death nothing less that a blood sport.
Ami
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There is a cost physically (health of the carnivore and life of the animal) and a spiritual cost (karma).
One of the weakest arguements going is that we need meat for brain health. Two notable brains that didn't were Isaac Newton and Einstien, both famous vegetarians.
Then there is the industry flaunted (promotion/propoganda) myth that it is the only way to get good protein. Amino acids make protein. Animal protein does not equate to human protein. It needs to be broken down into its amino building blocks then reformed into human protein. Animal protein is not an efficient way to do this. Not by a long shot, and it comes with many unhealhty side effects.
Our digestive tract/enzyme system is not made to digest meat but is more suited to extracting aminos from plants to reconstitute into human protein.
Then there is the aspect of energy efficiency. It takes way more energy to extract aminos from animal protein and reconstitue them into human protein than it does from plant matter.
Entire books have been written by health notables such as Bernard Jenson on the aspect of bowel toxemia that comes about from meat eating and corelates with a myriad of disease.
Economically speaking, the energy it takes to produce animal food vs plant found is ridiculously high, not to mention the high amount of toxins emmitted in the process. The negative impact is very real and needs to be faced if we are to dig our self out of the toxic trap we currently find ourselves in. If we put our resources into raising plant food (without globalist intervetnion...chemical farms), we utilize clean production of food, healthier food, and we can actually feed everyone on the planet very easily and effectively. Loose the greed...feed the need.
Now the worst thing of all in my opinion is the ethical/spiritual nature of raising animals for food.
I'll let the following link do the talking in this regard.
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There is a cost physically (health of the carnivore and life of the animal) and a spiritual cost (karma).
One of the weakest arguements going is that we need meat for brain health. Two notable brains that didn't were Isaac Newton and Einstiem, both famous vegetarians.
Then there is the industry flaunted (promotion/propoganda) myth that it is the only way to get good protein. Amino acids make protein. Animal protein does not equate to human protein. It needs to be broken down into its amino building blocks then reformed into human protien. Animal protein is not an efficient way to do this. Not by a long shot, and it comes with many unhealhty side effects.
Our digestive tract/enzyme system is not made to digest meat but is more suited to extracting aminos from plants to reconstitute into human protein.
Then there is the aspect of energy efficiency. It takes way more energy to extract aminos from animal protein and reconstitue into human protien than it does from plant matter.
Also, the energy it takes to produce animal food vs plant found is ridiculously high, not to mention the high amount of toxins emmitted in the process. The negative impact is very real and needs to be faced if we are to dig our self out of the toxic trap we currently find ourselves in, If we put our resources into plant, we utilize clean production of food, healthier food, and we can actually feed everyone on the planet very easily and effectively.
Now the worst thing of all in my opinion is the ethical/spiritual nature of raisng animals for food.
I'll let the following link do the talking in this regard.
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This is a reply to # 28,642Well if you look at it from the Bible God said plant/herbs are your meat it wasn't after the flood that God gave permission to eat clean/pure meat from certain animals. Which means eating animals that are given no Antibiotics /growth hormones and are feed grass all the way to butchering.
I never knew my blood type but after my wife read the blood type she kept requesting me to get it checked. I always worked out hard with weights and felt good after eating grass feed beef with vegies/beans,etc . I consume no wheat products that have been processed since that makes me feel low. I can tell the difference after not eating beef for awhile becaue I try to follow the bible to eat plants & herbs. But once eating meat or liver
Anyway I find out my blood type if O positive and according to his book from his research Os are geard more to Red Meat/no wheat while my wife is A geared more to all vegies eating. Also the same for exercise Os a lot of workouts vs A mostly less stressed worouts.
I think it all depends on what part of the world you come from. From Eskimos eating all meats to other parts of the world eating all plants to Tropical areas eating all coconuts and fish.
- I highly disagree, i am O+ Wrenn
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I am blood type O + and I cannot even stand the smell of meat.
when I sto[[ed eating meat I felt worlds better,
and later I tried a piece and literally spat it out it was the most horrid thing I had ever tasted.
This was NOT a mindset, it was an instinctive reaction of my body, which occurs sometimes when I accidentally try to eat something that is not good.
as once I tried to eat a grapefruit, and my instincts said NO!
well I took a whiff of it,
and it had a very weird odor to it.. I think it had been sprayed heavily with a preservative, for protection thru winter travel to our instate shipping of fruit.
so anyhow,
I do not eat meat.
and I am O + and know that I am far more healthier that I was back then, and I can't say I have as much energy lol but that is not from diet, it is from trauma I had,
and I am getting incredibly better energy by going more raw than I was at raw 25 % and cooked vegan 75 %
now I am raw about 85 % close to 90 %
and aiming for at leat 98 if not fully 100 %
so the positive O blood type theory doesn't wash with me at all.
TOXIC is toxic not matter who you are.
and horrendous methods of tortured animal breeding, living and killing are still the same either way you put it , THAT is just plain WRONG.
perhaps if you saw thru getting better
(off addictive chemicals in meat and dairy)
and completed the detox and withdrawal feelings,
you would then resurface into actually tasting more naturally
the poison you ingest when you eat animal protein.
of course you feel better it is an addictive FIX.
when I stopped all dairy, it took me fully 6 months, to get past
coughing up , mucus and feelign cruddy, to finally get the toxins from that diet out of my body.
So of course your first reaction to stop ingesting an addiction of any kind.. results in feeling crappy
til you are detoxed from it.
With Respect
Ami Joi Benton
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I am blood type O + and I cannot even stand the smell of meat.
when I sto[[ed eating meat I felt worlds better,
and later I tried a piece and literally spat it out it was the most horrid thing I had ever tasted.
This was NOT a mindset, it was an instinctive reaction of my body, which occurs sometimes when I accidentally try to eat something that is not good.
as once I tried to eat a grapefruit, and my instincts said NO!
well I took a whiff of it,
and it had a very weird odor to it.. I think it had been sprayed heavily with a preservative, for protection thru winter travel to our instate shipping of fruit.
so anyhow,
I do not eat meat.
and I am O + and know that I am far more healthier that I was back then, and I can't say I have as much energy lol but that is not from diet, it is from trauma I had,
and I am getting incredibly better energy by going more raw than I was at raw 25 % and cooked vegan 75 %
now I am raw about 85 % close to 90 %
and aiming for at leat 98 if not fully 100 %
so the positive O blood type theory doesnt wash with me at all.
TOXIC is toxic not matter who you are.
With Respect
Ami Joi Benton
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This is a reply to # 28,660I go by the way my body feels physically, mentally, emotionally, and spritually and it says a resounding NO to meat, the eating of it nor the supporting of taking another animals life.
I won't get into the dogmatic, man manipulated views of the bible, which would trancend the scope of this forum anyway. Being that this is a raw vegan/vegetarian support forum excpect meat to be frowned upon in here:-) Perhaps though you could debate this topic in one of the religious Debate Forums here at Curezone(something for everyone).
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I go by the way my body feels physically, mentally, emotionally, and spritually.
I won't even get into the dogmatic, man manipulated views of the bible, which would trancend the scope of this forum anyway, which is a raw vegan/vegetarian support forum. Excpect meat to be frowned upon in here. Perhaps though you could debate this topic in one of the relicious Debate Forums here at curezone.
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Hello northstar,
Welcome to this forum, I think there are many people just like you and me, just try to read and understand much as we can on this subject, meat, no meat, non 100% raw, or 100% raw, grain, no grain... and then make our own judgement. I am a vegan, and I would like to share my view with other people of why I choose such diet, and here now, I would like to share some information with you about blood type and animal protein.
Allow me to quote this from a very informative and helpful book, Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melina. (Page 49)
"Do some people such as those with certain blood types, need more protein or require animal protein?
The answer is yes and no. Yes, some people do need more protein than others. For every nutrient -- vitamins, minerals, protein -- there is quite a range in individual requirements. For this reason the RDAs are based on average needs, with a substantial safty margin to cover those who require more. Because of normal human variability, some people do well with plenty of the higher-protein plant foods (whether legumes or the more processed alternatives), others function best with a diet centered around grains, and still others thrive with mostly veggie and raw foods. A great variety of eating patterns can be developed using the Vegan Food Guide on pages 154-55 as a basic model to ensure that needs for all nutrients are met. It can be helpful to experiment with different styles of vegan eating and see what makes you feel best.
No, there is no scientific evidence that people with certain food types need animal protein. As noted on page 44, the basic building blocks for our protein-building needs are the same essential amino acids that are present in both animal and plant foods, and those present in animal flesh originated from plants. People of all blood types have done well, and continue to do well, on vegan diets -- a show of hands at any vegetarian gathering proves that quickly enough. Though the blood type theory was catchy enough to sell books, it is not backed up by reliable science."
I hope the above paragraphs can give you more information on this subject to make your own judgement. :)
You said, "I think it all depends on what part of the world you come from. From Eskimos eating all meats to other parts of the world eating all plants to Tropical areas eating all coconuts and fish." I agree with this.
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This is a reply to # 28,668I believe my response to Lapis was deleted by someone. I don't know if Lapis is part of this board as a board memeber or not.
I come to this board to learn all aspects of health and nutritional healing. I thought this forum was about raw foods and I consider meat to be raw also. But if Lapis frowns on this he should also keep his views on meat off this forum or retitle the forum to say vegans only or something.
I come to learn more about nutrients from Raw Foods instead of cooking these foods to destroy amino acids, digestive enzymes etc. I was only stating what I have observed and maybe the Blood Type Diet does have some substance but I only believe something until I do my own research. Thats why I am doing more research because it also says that I shouldn't drink milk but nothing about rawmilk.
To Wrenn I believe that was his board name I drink raw milk cows,goats from Grass Feed animals along with if I do eat meat from cattle that graze in feeds etc. I have't experienc any symptons in regards to this. Every one is different and you put in your body what you feel is good. One bean might be better for you then another.
But I shouldn't be discriminated coming to this board. I come to this forum again to learn the insights of all raw foods. Sorry for brining up about the part of the bible. Nobody can mention that anymore. But its good insight about eating foods. It does draw some conclusion that people have died a lot earlier from eating red meat then just eating plants/herbx. BUt enough said on that part and no more.
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In regards to the Meat eating discussion,
please reread your posting guidelines
and also read forum description,
see above.
The headliner to this forum clearly states its purpose.
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No one is telling you , that you cannot "promote" meat eating,
but you cannot do it on this forum , since this is a vegetarian/vegan forum centering around Raw Vegetarian foods. It is okay for vegans to discuss the negative aspects of meat eating. Also of note, many vegans are sympathetic to the plight of animal rights, so this may come up from time to tim e as it is an issue in choosing this dietary lifestyle.
You are breaking rules guidelines by continuing to post argumetive, flaming, non topic posts on a SUPPORT forum, please cease this activity.
Name calling or trying make someone out to be something they are not is considered a personal attack as well, and is also a breach of rules.
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also as regards the Meat eating discussion ...
please reread your posting guidelines
and also read forum description,
see above.
The headliner to this forum clearly states its purpose.
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no one is telling you , that you cannot discuss meat eating,
but you cannot do it on this forum ,
since this is a vegetarian forum at the base up to Raw Vegetarian
foods.
you are breaking rules guidelines by continuing to post argumetive, non topic posts on a SUPPORT forum
please cease this activity.
Name calling or trying make someone out to be something they are not is considered a personal attack as well, and is also a breach of rules.
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- May I ask... JassyCat
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Hi Lapis and everyone,
I'm not a meat eater, I do not use milk, cheese, butter, honey, leather, fur or silk these kind of animal products, however, I found the link written by Mr. Tom Billings as a fair comparison, interesting and quite logical. I read it without being emotionally involved due to the fact that I'm a vegan also. I have not read other things of what this person has said before on other links, but simply based on how this comparison is done alone, it sounds right.
In this comparison, the author just contrasts these two different attitudes and approaches towards 100% Raw (vegan) diet, and has not promoted about meat eating, so just within this comparison, would you mind to point out what he had said that you do not agree with objectively? and why? with references...
I'm seriously curious about this topic, I want to see how people think and react to this and most people who replied to this thread seem to simply be focusing on the badness of meat eating (which is not the subject of this comparison), instead of looking into the argument and comparison the author has stated. It is the comparison between 100% raw vegan diet and non 100% raw vegan diet, not meat diet vs vegan diet. To upset or offend anyone is not my intention, just want to further explore this subject, I would want to know more of the Whys than simply How-Tos.
I can be anything but a "religious" person, I'm not convinced by some "preachy" or sensational writing style, nor I would do things based on faith. I think all I would want to see is some credible scientific research results about 100% raw food (vegan) diet. I have also emailed the registered dietitian, author of Becoming Vegan, Ms. Vesanto Melina and see what she thinks about a 1oo% raw vegan diet without grains, and how it would affect/change the body.
any input here would be appreciated!
Thank you for reading!
JassyCat
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Hi Lapis and everyone,
I'm not a meat eater, I do not use milk, cheese, butter, honey, leather, fur or silk these kind of animal products, however, I found the link written by Mr. Tom Billings as a fair comparison, interesting and quite logical, without being emotionally involved due to the fact that I'm a vegan also. I have not read other things of what this person has said before on other links, but simply based on how this comparison is done, it sounds right.
In this comparison, the author just contrasts these two different attitudes and approaches towards 100% Raw (vegan) diet, and has not promoted about meat eating, so just within this comparison, would you mind to point out what he had said that you do not agree with objectively? and why? with references...
I'm seriously curious about this topic, I want to see how people think and react to this and most people who replied to this thread seem to simply be focusing on the badness of meat eating (which is not the subject of this comparison), instead of looking into the argument and comparison the author has stated. It is the comparison between 100% raw vegan diet and non 100% raw vegan diet, not meat diet vs vegan diet. To upset or offend anyone is not my intention, just want to further explore this subject, I would want to know more of the Whys than simply How-Tos.
I can be anything but a "religious" person, I'm not convinced by some "preachy" or sensational writing style, nor I would do things based on faith. I think all I would want to see is some credible scientific research results about 100% raw food (vegan) diet. I have also emailed the registered dietitian, author of Becoming Vegan, Ms. Vesanto Melina and see what she thinks about a 1oo% raw vegan diet without grains, and how it would affect/change the body.
any input here would be appreciated!
Thank you for reading!
JassyCat
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Hello,
Here is one article from a food chemistry journal, posted on a website that used to support other diets before finally coming around to RAW. There is much more research on acrylamide and other toxic compounds caused by heat (cooking). It makes food difficult to proces, along with other potential hazards. see below.
New Research Supports the Link Between Cooking and Cancer
French fries and potato chips may be doing more than just clogging our arteries and padding our guts. The first peer-reviewed study of acrylamide levels in foods suggests the suspected carcinogen forms in dangerous levels during the cooking of potatoes.
The findings are reported in the August 14 print issue of Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Chemical Society, the world's largest scientific society. They were the basis for widely publicized announcements by the Swedish National Food Administration and other European food administrations this spring.
The study reports that fried, oven-baked and deep-fried potato and cereal products contain high levels of acrylamide. Researchers at Stockholm University summarized evidence of acrylamide's presence in foods and performed a detailed analysis of acrylamide during heating.
Protein-rich foods, such as beef and chicken, produced only moderate levels of acrylamide when heated. Carbohydrate-rich foods, however, had high levels, with potato chips and French fries at the top of the list. Any item containing potato produced significant acrylamide upon heating in microwaves or conventional ovens. The study also found that more acrylamide forms as food is heated to higher temperatures.
Boiling at 100 degrees Celsius appears to be the only safe cooking method. In potato-based foods, even cooking at a moderate temperature of 120 degrees Celsius began the process of acrylamide formation.
Scientists originally thought the main exposure to acrylamide was through tobacco smoke; early studies suggested it formed during incomplete combustion of organic matter. When researchers found unusually high levels of acrylamide in Swedish subjects who were non-smokers and not exposed to other typical sources, the Stockholm group formed their heated-food hypothesis.
In an earlier study published in an American Chemical Society journal, rats were fed fried animal feed for one or two months. The rats exhibited a higher level of acrylamide than a control group -- an increase similar in magnitude to the high levels observed in non-smoking humans.
After learning of the Stockholm University research, the Swedish government began testing acrylamide levels early this year and confirmed that many starch-rich foods contained high levels. This led to its announcement in April.
The Stockholm University study is the first to go through the peer-review process, and it bolsters the results made public by the Swedish National Food Administration and others. It also gives detailed information about the analytical methods used to measure acrylamide levels and the evidence for the identification of acrylamide in heated foods.
Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry August 14, 2002
http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/17/cooking_cancer.htm
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This is a reply to # 28,633very interesting article... some things I agree with and other things I don't.
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This is a reply to # 28,633Very interesting article. I can't say that I agree with everything and I can't say that I disagree with everything. It's interesting to read about one person's journey and nice to know that we all have that choice of how our diets can be controlled by ourselves and that these articles and forums are here to be informative and not have information crammed down our throats in a "do as I say or else" attitude. I like it here.
Tracey
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