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Maybe I picked the wrong posts to get a sampling of this forum, but it appears to me that this forum is not being used for its stated purpose, which is to be a forum supportive of those who believe in God without religion.
I get the impression it has become a place where religionists are coming to tell everyone why people should be religious. My feeling is that this is not appropriate. It would be like someone who doesn't like fat people going on a "big people's" support forum and telling them why they are wrong to accept themselves and how being thin is the only way. Or did I just not read enough posts? Is this REALLY a support forum for people who believe in God without religion?
I used to try to read the whole Bible cover to cover when I was 11 years old. I was very motivated to do this, but I never made it. God sounded so MEAN and VENGEFUL and HATEFUL in the first books of the Bible that I would literally end every single reading session in grief, crying my eyes out.
One day in church (Southern Baptist) that year the preacher was saying, "And if you" blah blah blah, "then you will go to HELL...!!!" Again I got that familiar feeling of being aghast when it suddenly hit me: "*I* would not want to send people to hell. That makes me sound nicer than God. And that is impossible. I cannot be nicer than God."
That was the day I stopped believing in religion and even scriptures. Yes, scriptures (and not just the Bible, but scriptural texts of Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism and others) most all have very inspiring and enlightening quotes worthy of contemplating and following again and again.
For instance Jesus Christ's message of love and forgiveness in the New Testament. That inspires and helps me. What does not inspire and help me, I simply dismiss.
It's called separating the wheat from the chaffe.
The sad truth about religion is that it becomes a place of blind faith, posturing and believing "just because it is in the Bible." Why millions of people put so much faith in the deluded illusion that the Bible has never been changed by men who used it to wield more political power and control is beyond me. These are probably the same people who also believe the Homeland Security and giving up our civil rights is a good thing and will protect us.
I apologize. I know this is not true. I listen to Alex Jones a lot (for his political reporting, NOT for his religious views, most of which I do not agree with -- and I don't even agree with a lot of his political views either, but at least he is exposing the FACTS that the mainstream media is so conveniently not telling us).
End of rant and rave...sorry so long...but I mostly just wanted to say that religionists should graciously find another place to post if they are not going to be supportive of this forum -- God without Religion SUPPORT Forum.
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This is a reply to # 273,283Sometimes it is rather difficult to keep from passing that fine line of shareing and pushing. IF you've read my posts you know I still attend church. My goal it to not only find those who believe as I do, God is love NOT venegence, and to share that not all "churchgoers" believe in tearing others down. Too often the idea of God's venegence is what is taught, and not His love. I know now as an adult that the times of anrgy retribution happened after chances had been given to the people. For instance, the hebrews had been told prior to the ten commandments to stop worshipping idols. And then they did. It's like any parent/child relationship, an important rule was broke and punishment followed. Some rules are an absolute don't break, and the idol thing was just that. Same with the Hebrews wandering in the desert, they were told that God would make them victorious over their enemies and that had already happened, and then they decised that this time it wasn't worth the risk. So they had to wander, Consider it as their being grounded for talking back.
Whether you read the bible or not the important thing to know is that God is love. Every step back God has always provided a way forward. He's always forgiven those who made Him angry. If you ever get curious read Psalm 103, it tells of everything God does for those who love and follow Him. It's very uplifting. The first 5 or 6 verses are the best part. If not, know that God wants your happiness, not your sorrow. You suffer fromproblems of the flesh, not things sent down onto you. However, God does provide many ways to combate those things! Just think of the medical advances.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 273,289I appreciate your view and belief that God is about Love. However, as someone who does not choose to view God through religion, I wonder if you can understand my distate for having scriptures cited to me as "proof" of anything at all. For I do not believe proof lies in any book. Experience. Now that is something I love to hear about.
Also by the way I would not attribute modern medical Science to God. It is man's doing. Why do people always blame God for things that men have done? I have little respect for most of the so-called advances of medical Science with its obsession with treating disease without truly healing. There is much greater chance of getting serious problems for those who go to modern medical doctors for any organic problems in my opinion. I daresay most people would do well to visit websites such as this for alternatives to medical science. Not to say medical doctors are of no value -- especially when surgery is needed after people have been in accidents. But that's a whole different subject that this forum...
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This is a reply to # 273,298I didn't mean the verses as proof, just as a showing that not all in the bible is hurt and anger. Often the only thing taught is the hurt and anger. I've had to go "looking" myself to see the support and beauty that is there.
Hmm, medical science, perhaps that's another thing I think of in seperate terms. Is see the gift of a scientific mind, curiouity, ability as a God given effect. BUt you are right, how it's been used is a product of man, not God. Men who wish to stay in power, and not fulfill God's purpose for them. But that really is another forum discussion altogether!
Now, as for personal experiences, I have lots of those. Some I hardly believe myself when lookng back. I remember the yr that my dad was sick and money was tight very well. There wasn't enough money for rent and food the entire month, much less christmas. We talked about it, first my mom and I then my brothers, and we decided that christmas would be purely spiritual. And we embrased that as a good idea. The next day our landlords girlfriend paid that months rent so we could keep the money for the next month. She also bought a month worth of food. We recieved 3 food baskets (we asked for none) and three cards with 50's in them. When the girlfriend talked about it she admitted that she was going to donate to charity and then she suddenly thought of us. She hasn't ever repeated that. Christmas was verymoving that year and truely spiritual.
Before that, when I was going into 10th grade, I took a trip to San Antonio Texas with some families who's boys were looking at the semenary high school. We, "not students", spent our time sight seeing and going to the old missionaries. It was at one of the oldest that I was introduced to empathy, or the ability to feel others' emotions. It was overwhelming and wonderful at the same time. The place was full of love and security and devotion. It's been rare to feel that anywhere else. That has only happened in a spiritual context.
There are more experiences, some simpler some more complex, that I've had. Each and everyone was embedded in love and devotion. I've had prayers answered in such a way that God is the only explination. Where God is concerned, I have never experienced those negative things that are usually associated with God. Like modern medicine, that'a product of man. Just because the gift is there doesn't mean it will be used properly.Advertisement
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