The authority JV's thought is easily aquired, whoever seems strong.["prison"].

I like the question of epistemology , it validates our beliefs. how many times I have to remind posters here that "we don't know" some things, and that many things are not knowable.

Would you agree that there are things that do not have an objective basis? Some questions, like 'inifinty' , are merely ideas due to the lack of objectiveness around them and due to our limitations as humans also.So far...

Various viewpoints and variable mental abilities have created a situation where some people can know things that others cannot.
This often gets confused with the things nobody can know, but someone will say they do know, but its merely a matter of faith that they think they know it.

Objective diagnosis in medical conditions is the same thing. BAck pain can be said to be not real; some people know its real despite having no objective tests for it [it hurts!]; and whether or not the doctor thinks its real is a matter of epistemology. He can be wrong too, if he has limited himself by depending too much on a narrow framework of tests and observations.

So then there are things we cannot know, but its not the same for everyone; and there are things that are the same for everyone in that it cannot be known, we absolutely cannot know.

I've allways thought that the existence of god [this forum's name, BTW!]was like the last one where it cannot be known due to the subject matter unless god presented himself a negative cannot be proven.
Some do claim to know that god exists. Epistomologically,if it is to be objective that is, this is a problem, there is nothing to go on other than subjective observations, nothing objective.
So then to say it is true when in fact "WE DO NOT KNOW" is not going to help anyone.


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e·pis·te·mol·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pst-ml-j)
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The branch of philosophy that studies the nature of knowledge, its presuppositions and foundations, and its extent and validity.


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[Greek epistm, knowledge (from epistasthai, epist-, to understand : epi-, epi- + histasthai, middle voice of histanai, to place, determine; see st- in Indo-European Roots) + -logy.]

(It takes alot of [judgemental] creativity to be critical of your post). I am interested in the subject of epistomology (no training, my interest is more on the "Argumentation" level). I think that it is very important to make a distinction between concepts (knowledge/information, educated opinions, hypothesis, logic, reason, conjecture, wisdom and truth). Does epistimology make any such distinctions? Jesus says that He is the truth (John 14:6), the bible is "the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15), we (the believers) are "the pillar and bulwark of the truth" 1 Tim. 3:15). I think the most dangerous thing a person can do is "never arrive at a knowledge of the truth" 2 Tim. 3:7 by doubting like Pilate did in John 18:38 "What is truth". When my friend went to seminary, he was taught epistomology, so I have heard of it and understand it's use in Apologetics, but my bias (love) toward Jesus won't allow me a scientific viewpoint. Have you found epistomology to inspire true faith, or is there a "crossroads" from "intellectual assent" to loving trust of the Father (and at what point in growth?).




The Lord does not say BE LOGICAL, The Lord says "Come, let us REASON together", logic doesn't require interaction, it can be done alone by simply following bureaucratic rules (like a crossword puzzle or mathematical formula).

Wow Grog, you're an expert on every thing on dozens of boards. And a supreme critic. I'll leave you to your enterprise.

I think this is quite possibly one of those things where "proof" of beliefs are different for everyone. My proof lies on a very personal level of experiences. For other's it's pure faith as faith is defined.

27th edition of Nestle/Aland. The TR is not the earliest