He should have included this information in the other video. Here he makes it clear that he believes some Calvinists are saved. The other video gave the impression that he did not believe that was possible and that was the part I disagreed with. This is more good information on this subject.
I did listen to this one too. Guess I'm a glutton for punishment, and I didn't find it much better than the first.
I will say though that I agree with him about the danger of trusting your own works as assurance of salvation. Not all calvinists do this by any means, I certainly don't, but many do, and those that do are often called "Lordship salvationists". I'm sure you've probably heard the term. John MacArthur falls into that camp, as well as many others, including Steve Lawson, the author of the video Tansy has posted at times.
We'll never have assurance of salvation, or we shouldn't at least, if we are looking to our own works for that assurance. Our works will always fall short of the righteousness that God requires for salvation. Trusting in the rigtheousness of Christ alone and believing that righteousness is imputed to us if we have faith in Him, is what will give us the assurance of salvation and being secure in our salvation is actually what brings about good works. Trying to prove to God and ourselves that we are saved by the evidence of our works will only bring despair or pride, both which are very harmful and not based on faith in Christ alone.
This is just one of the reasons I said recently in one of my posts that I don't agree with a lot of what is taught in calvinist groups. When I say I'm a calvinist, I just mean that I believe the five points of calvinism, but even the fifth point, "perseverance of the saints", really should be called "preservation of the saints". It's not our perseverance that will keep us saved, but it's God's preserving power that will keep us saved.
Vekky: "We'll never have assurance of salvation, or we shouldn't at least, if we are looking to our own works for that assurance. Our works will always fall short of the righteousness that God requires for salvation. Trusting in the righteousness of Christ alone and believing that righteousness is imputed to us if we have faith in Him, is what will give us the assurance of salvation and being secure in our salvation is actually what brings about good works. Trying to prove to God and ourselves that we are saved by the evidence of our works will only bring despair or pride, both which are very harmful and not based on faith in Christ alone."
Me: What you said here is very true, but there are other verses that we need to include in the whole picture. The Bible tells us to examine ourselves. The Bible tells us that many who thought they were saved will be turned away on that day. Those who were turned away by Christ are called workers of iniquity. In other words, those who were practicing sin, those who did not hate their sin, those who did not seek to overcome their sin. I doubt very many of us, if any of us, can be perfect, but if we are truly a Christian we will fight our sin.
Those who fight sin to prove to God and themselves that they are saved are doing it for the wrong motives. If they are trying to earn their salvation by the Lordship salvation doctrine we know that cannot be done as you mentioned. The problem is that many do not want to hear about other verses in the Bible that can show us if we are saved. If we are not saved we should doubt our salvation. Salvation is something we need to be sure of. Those who are not sure should do exactly as you said which is "Trusting in the righteousness of Christ alone and believing that righteousness is imputed to us if we have faith in Him, is what will give us the assurance of salvation and being secure in our salvation is actually what brings about good works."
Some people like to stay asleep listening to the greasy grace lullabies. They love their license to sin. We need to hear all of God's word. Paul Washer is a Calvinist who seems to be hated by many. He is accused of preaching Lordship salvation, but is that really what he is doing? Or, is he preaching the hard verses? The verses people don't want to hear? This is a great message by this Calvinist preacher. I will say that he sure isn't preaching Calvinism in this one.
I guess I see what you were saying now, Paul Washer's calvinistic beliefs aren't obvious in this message, not that this message is not compatible with calvinism, right?
Yes, he's a Calvinist for sure, but I didn't hold that against him when I posted the video of him. That was a good sermon that many need to hear. I suppose I should have put a disclaimer on it so people would know that I did not agree with all of his beliefs. I keep forgetting to do that. Now, I guess, I'm in the dog house again.
Well I just posted that last video clip because he has that line from the video you posted (which was from a sermon to some youth group back in 2006 I think) where he says "I don't know why you're clapping, I'm talking about you!" and that line has been used in countless memes over the years, and so watch it again and you'll get why everyone is laughing, if you didn't already understand what that was about.
Yes, I had a feeling that it was from the sermon that I posted, but was not sure as I only posted a clip of it. I didn't have time to listen to the whole thing and thought others would not either. I thought the clip was the good part.
Bye the way, the video that Tansy kept posting is also an excellent piece by a Calvinist. I hope now that she found out that he is a Calvinist, that will not stop her from spreading the message of truth. David Wilkerson, who is not a Calvinist, has similar types of sermons, if I am remembering right.
At any rate, I think these clips from Calvinists show that there are Calvinists who are saved. Also, you Vekky, are saved and have posted some great stuff as well. That's another proof. :)