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This is a reply to # 2,317,227One very simple question Flat earth people never try to explain:
why time zones?
flat earth would mean no time zones, everybody gets sun to rise at the same time.
why is there sunrise and sunset difference between cities on different meridians ?
Idiots.
This guy can't even do a basic math, how to multiply 2 small numbers!!!
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This is a reply to # 2,317,287And maybe you should go outside and look in the night sky and see the same stars you've been seeing your whole life.If the earth were spinning at 1000 mph and going around the sun at 6000 mph there is no way that would be possible. WAKE UP...you've been lied to.- Re: the lie so big and so flat as my... 7-4-7
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This is a reply to # 2,317,376The pyramids were aligned with stars when they were built.all that spinning over thousands of years,and guess what,they are still in prefect alignment with those same stars. How on a spinning ball could that be? The stars are NOT spinning with us.- Re: the lie so big and so flat as my... ChaztheMeatHead
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I look at the stars just about every night, and sometimes 2 or 3 times a night. And I can tell you for sure the stars move across the sky at night. And they change throughout the year.
During this time of year, and here in Washington state, you will see the Big Dipper appear from the east and go west throughout the night. Where I'm at you will see it in the east at about 9pm and at midnight see it right over head.
And then during the fall you won't see it at all. There will be other starts in its place moving across the sky at night.
So yes, they revolve each day, and there must be an axis that changes throughout the year.
I didn't watch the video in your first post, but assume it's the flat earth theory. If the earth was flat and didn't revolve, there would be no change at all. And that's just not the case. It changes according to the time each night and changes throughout the year. I can tell you about what season it is, and what time it is by looking at the stars. I'm not an expert, but do know the basics for sure.
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This is a reply to # 2,317,408Hey Tomi, how you been doing? Ok I hope. :-) What's truth? Can I refer that question to you? ;-)- Re: The Litmus Test tomi444
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This is a reply to # 2,317,795Fine amigo, hope you are OK?
For the rest of it I think some people live in a flat world.
A drunk man was staggering home with a pint of booze in his back pocket when he slipped and fell FLAT on his back. Struggling to his feet, he felt something wet running down his leg.
"Please God," he thought. "Let it be blood!" :)
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This is a reply to # 2,318,094HA! Reminds me of the time when I was young and out on a raft at the hydroplane races here in Seattle, and I fell off the raft with a bottle in my hand and made sure the bottle stayed above water while the rest of me was under water. Gotta have those priorities some times. :-)
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Well my friend I thought you being more into Science than I you would have a more convincing answer, say, without using humans travelling or have travelled in objects into the heavens.
Me? I would say that water, which runs to the lowest point is the most basic of opinion among people that do not live in loo loo land.:)- Re: The Litmus Test ChaztheMeatHead
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This is a reply to # 2,318,117Na, I wasn't trying to answer or say it's wrong. I was just stating what I've experienced and trying to figure out the theory. I haven't really looked into it before. After I saw what it's really stating, then I could say what I think about it. :-)
I have to say though, I don't see how the gravity from our little speck in the universe (the Earth) could possibly cause the rest of the universe to rotate around us. In order for the flat Earth theory to be true, then that means a lot of laws of physics are wrong. They may have some wrong, but not the basics of gravity.
And why would the jet stream exist and always be going west to east in the northern hemisphere if the Earth was flat? If the earth was flat it would be coming from every direction if it existed at all.
And why would water circling the drain go in opposite directions depending on if you're in the northern or southern hemisphere?
I think those observations prove there is a rotation and that the universe is not rotating around us.
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This is a reply to # 2,317,401Here is a very short explanation on way the stars appear to be in different places.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_zVtsx3wD0
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This is a reply to # 2,317,528You could have just said, the theory says the universe is circling around the Earth instead of the Earth spinning.
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It seems as though some of you DO have the ability to believe/understand that we have been taught lies,...(correct???), so why can't you also understand that the traditional bible teachings were not taught correctly?
Is it because you believe that the clergy have always done their job correctly and are immune from the folly of man?....or do you simply feel uncomfortable/unsafe about leaving your comfort zone?
The truth is not for everyone, only for those who look for it.
Do you have the courage to be unpopular and search for the truth?
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This is a reply to # 2,317,933Jesus chased the moneychangers out of the worship temple, but they didn't STAY out because "money" is an integral part of mankind and cannot be dispensed with as long as it is cherished. Money is THE god (motivational reason/force for human existence).
The lies we have been taught were not ALWAYS intentional, BUT nonetheless destructive (perdition).
How were these "H blocks" cut/formed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydiRMYu74Y0
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This is a reply to # 2,317,937Yes, Jesus didn't destroy the money changers or their money. And money and its changers have caused so much death and destruction in this world.
And I agree that not all the lies we've been told were intentional. Some were, and some weren't.
I don't know how those H blocks were cut or formed. Some say by laser and some say by chisel. Both seem impossible in some way.
I recently did some research into giants that were all over the world, and it seems like they could have been the ones who built some of these ancient structures. But I can't say for sure who made them. I've raised the standard for evidence since studying law.
It seems the more I learn, the less I can say I know for sure in a lot of cases. The evidence points in a certain direction, but I need more evidence to believe it.
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This is a reply to # 2,318,169I can only say that there is too much that is NOT KNOWN/understood for us to think that we know anything for sure (skepticism about EVERYTHING we have been taught is the healthiest attitude to have so that we will end up with what makes SENSE).
We each have a faith/understanding attitude of our own (or should), but have chosen to believe only what we're told to (the teachings of the clergy DEMAND strict OBEDIENCE or else)....,.and we end up with a mechanical mind (no idiosyncracies, no "LIFE").
God's TRUE message is that we should have IDIOSYNCRACIES/"LIFE" for now and ever (eternal life).
The H BLOCKS probably do have a supernatural cconnection/origin that is not indicated in the BIBLE (the word "bible" is not in the bible, nor is the word "Christianity",.....it seems there is ALOT more to know). Maybe the Nephilim had something to do with their construction and use (were they the same beings that built the GIANTS CAUSEWAY?.
Anyway, the new generation of worshipers (TODAY) are going to be exposed to many peoples imaginations about NEW AGE ideas,...I think we should teach them to focus on what God has for us (ETERNAL LIFE from HIS ETERNAL SPIRIT).
Initial salvation has already been accomplished. Jesus performed "purification for sins" 2,000 years ago ON THE CROSS (Hebrews 1...this was HIS MESSIAHSHIP).
WE (the SPIRIT-FILLED true worhipers, John 4:23) must not worship PHYSICALLY).
Our CONSCIENCES must be purified also (the ETERNAL Spirit of God will do this, Hebrews 9:14),....THEN we will have COMPLETE SALVATION (ETERNAL LIFE).
Heb 7:25
Therefore he is able to save COMPLETELY those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
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I can only say that there is too much that is NOT KNOWN/understood for us to think that we know anything for sure
Yep I agree.
The H BLOCKS probably do have a supernatural cconnection/origin that is not indicated in the BIBLEI don't know about supernatural, but not mentioned in the Bible for sure. :-) Wait a minute. isn't there somethig in the Bible about the giants and then having giant buildings or something like that? Maybe not, but giants are mentioned for sure.
we should teach them to focus on what God has for us (ETERNAL LIFE from HIS ETERNAL SPIRIT).
I think the Bible teaches everyone has eternal life doesn't it? It's just that some will have a better experience.
WE (the SPIRIT-FILLED true worhipers, John 4:23) must not worship PHYSICALLY). Our CONSCIENCES must be purified also (the ETERNAL Spirit of God will do this, Hebrews 9:14),....THEN we will have COMPLETE SALVATION (ETERNAL LIFE). Therefore he is able to save COMPLETELY those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
I just keep it simple. Believe in God like a child and follow the golden rule. I think it is easy to get lost in all the other stuff when it's not necessary.
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This is a reply to # 2,318,216The OLD COVENANT dispensation had only ONE "husband"/caretaker/housemaster (JEHOVAH only). Today, we have THREE husbands (Trinity)....we MUST make this distinction.
THE SPIRIT of a person is their DEMEANOR/character/ideology (this CONCEPT is important for CORRECT understanding).
Job 32:8 But it is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life (MAN'S ways are folly...faulty and ruinous).
When the DIVINE Spirit can witness to OUR spirit (if we are a peaceful person to begin with), then we can have a spirit/attitude/character that is heavenly.
Rom 8:16 it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
2Co 11:2 I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband.....,.(Israel was an IMPURE bride and performed PHYSICAL worship ("works"/effort, rituals, deeds, incantation prayer, etc.).
Heb 9:14 through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify your conscience
This is the JESUS dispensation (the age of ETERNITY).
Jesus came to earth in the "fulness" of time (the completion/end of time).
He came at the end of the age to put away sin....and in the age to come ETERNAL LIFE.
Since God's ways, attributes/qualities and demeanor/behavior are perfect/holy, He was always portrayed as having a holy spirit (of course, His Spirit is so strong, it LIVES....hence the capitalization).
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This is a reply to # 2,318,411The "Holy Spirit" was NOT GIVEN until Jesus was glorified (when He ascended to be with The Father, John 7:39). The JEWS only had their ONE husband and were an impure bride because they only able to achieve TEMPORARY CLEANSING (it is IMPOSSIBLE that the blood of BULLS AND GOATS can take away sin). So The Father sent a LAMB).
The Jews were told in Isaiah 9:18 to expect a "Prince of Peace"/Messiah. They did accept Jesus in the Messiahship role, but they did not ALSO AQCCEPT Him in the"Wonderful Counselor"/Holy Spirit role.
If you ever heard of the INCIDENT AT ANTIOCH (Council of Jerusalem, Acts 11:26?), you'll und3estand that they preferred to retain "circumcision" (devotional approval) by holding on to the laws of Moses instead of embracing God's divine Spirit in their lifestyle.
...,THE JEWS NEVER ACCEPTED THE ETERNAL Holy SPIRIT.
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This is a reply to # 2,318,411All I can say is keeping it simple has worked for me so far. I see God working in my life, so I don't see any reason to fix something that isn't broke.
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This is a reply to # 2,317,933I'm in total agreement with you Been There. There IS a mixture of man in the Bible. It's totally apparent. First of all, each book is written by a man.
Thou shalt not kill, but it's ok to stone people and go to war and kill everyone? Here I'll (God) even help you. Stuff like that tweaks my head too much to believe.
And God is a loving God, but also a jealous and angry God? What happened to love conquers all?
And there are several things I don't believe that the clergy teaches and I don't think the Bible really says.
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This is a reply to # 2,318,167Yes, there is a CREATOR (as far as I can tell, the word "GOD"/god refers to the motivational object/force of a person....what is YOUR god....money, pride/ego, etc...materialism?
We have LEARNED to use the word "God" as a NAME, but it is more of a TITLE, so is the word "LORD" a designation/title.
"Lord" is commonly used in older languages and aristocratic settings to suggest a MENTOR relationship or superiority.
Many words (key words) have been deliberately distorted in meaning and THE CONCEPT that they refer to has been obscured/removed, that is why our understanding of the words "FAITH", GRACE, etc. are confused. The word "EVIL" could be better understood as NOT THE DIVINE WAY of peace, etc....MAN'S WAY instead of the 'PEACE' way.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,318,409Yeah I agree. I even see the disciples twisting things around in the Bible too. How many times did Jesus say "you're faith has healed you" and the disciples accredit Jesus for the miracle? And remember Jesus not being able to do many miracles in his hometown, and them saying Isn't that the son of the carpenter? That further shows a lot of the miracles were done not so much by Jesus, but by peoples faith. That one lady just touched Jesus' robe and was healed because of her faith. I'm not trying to take away anything from Jesus. Just that the Bible is written by man, and things get a little twisted even with the most honorable and holy intentions. So just love God with all your heart, mind and soul and thou shalt be saved.
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This is a reply to # 2,318,489"GOD" is THE life force, THE 'Intelligence'/nature, the Origin (of everything) THE ALL (in ancient writings), THE TRUTH (JESUS< John 14:6)....INTEGRAL/ONE (Galatians 3:28).
God is the origin of PERFECT human being (Adam BEFORE the fall) and wants to RESTORE us to be the perfect human being.
God is the mind, soul, and the way we should be (we need to be a SON of His, not a slave/servant as the Jews were.
"GOD" is the living intelligence that created everything, but is our true genuine SELF-BEING (in other words, He is only found INTERNALLY).
His ETERNAL name is "I AM WHO I AM" and we need to be OUR true SELF in order to truly relate to Him.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,318,533God doesn't want 'book people'(bookists) or soldiers (obeyists), robots (performing activities), ritualists actors), or proceduralists (fulfilling protocol).
God does NOT want to be MASTER", he wants us to be masters of ourselves.
Nor does God want us to HAVE TO BE TOLD what to do ("commands" are useless and non-sensical to a SON OF GOD)...(He wants us to be "LOVERS OF GOODNESS" and live the LAW OF LIBERTY (James 1:25)
"So speak and so act....James 2:12 in the RSV.
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This is a reply to # 2,318,534I've been continuously amazed over and over again when I see verses in the bible that are VERY obviously exposed in clear black and white (both VISUALLY and explicitly) and realized that they were DELIBERATELY not taught.
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:….(from the KJV).
Exo 3:15 and this is my memorial unto all generations….(ESV).
Deu 33:27 The eternal God is your dwelling place,…(ESV).
Rom 16:26 according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—…(ESV).
These 3 verses are from DARBY…
Gen 21:33 Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called on the name of the LORD, the Eternal God.
Deu 33:27 The eternal God is your refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms.
Rom 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God
Jer 17:13 they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living water
Jer 17:13 they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living water
Jhn 4:10 Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water."
Jhn 4:11 The woman said to him, "Sir, you have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep; where do you get that living water
Jhn 7:38 He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, 'Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.'"
For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
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We need to stop reading the way we are SUPPOSED TO (as taught by the clergy).
We can't keep ignoring what we OURSELVES actually SEE in scripture. The "FLESH" is not bad/disgusting/repulsive, nor is it responsible for bad deeds. It is the 'skin we're in',...a HANDICAP that keeps us from actually BEING like God.
"FLESH" is "HUMAN"....that's all.
Eze 36:26 A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
When Jesus hung on the cross, WATER flowed from His side along with His blood (LIVING water) symbolizing that His blood would NOT serve humanity alone (the living water is our THIRD WITNESS, 1 John 5:8,….THE JEWS had 2 witnesses in Revelation).
The living water is CARING SENTIMENT that comes from a “heart of FLESH” instead of a “heart of stone” (SELF must be REAL…no hypocracy.
A perfect example of the world's reaction to truth is this...
Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
This video is called…
Jesus called the "Chosen People" Sons of Vipers Sons of Devils
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Jer 3:6 "Have you seen what she did, that faithless one, Israel, how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and there played the harlot? (KJV)
Jer 3:8 She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce; yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot (KJV)
Jer 3:11 And the LORD said to me, "Faithless Israel has shown herself less guilty than false Judah (KJV)
Jer 3:12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, 'Return, faithless Israel, says the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, says the LORD; I will not be angry for ever (KJV)
Jer 3:14 Return, O faithless children, says the LORD; for I am your master; I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion (KJV)
Jer 3:20 Surely, as a faithless wife leaves her husband, so have you been faithless to me, O house of Israel, says the LORD.'" (KJV)
Jer 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have been utterly faithless to me (KJV)
Isa 29:13 in the RSV (stated more clearly/straightforward)…
And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men learned by rote;
..The Lord points out that “prayer” is “honoring Him with LIP service (insincere worship) and that being afraid of Him is a wrong attitude.
No one wants to believe REAL TRUTH.
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Moses suffered for "THE CHRIST', but no matter what Moses said,....."they refused to obey him" RSV.
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This is a reply to # 2,317,227We are all being lied to. Well that's true.
But whether the Earth is flat or not may not be the reason.
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