Fasting to make flushing work. Help!... 
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Hi guys, I am wondering if it is likely that a Water Fast will help my flushing dilemma..
So I've done 12 flushes now and not much results. I only get a handful of stones out and some chaff each flush. I am doing flush 13 tomorrow. But I am going to Water Fast in 3 weeks time for 21 days maybe. My plan was to clean out my liver, basically get rid of my acne, and then fast to heal my scars. But obviously flushing is not working for me. I am going to try heal my scars through fasting and then continue to flush to get rid of the Acne and other liver problems.
I have to do it this way because I am close to giving up and doing something stupid... I simply cannot go on living like this. I went to try contact Andreas Moritz for help and I realized he has died. What a shame.
So does anyone know if a long Water Fast will loosen stones and help my flushing results dramatically?
Thanks.
Also, I have already done a long juice fast and I will never do a juice fast again so there is no point in suggesting that, thanks.
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- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Tayto
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This is a reply to # 2,237,997I'm just sitting here reading of people doing 25-30 flushes and still having acne... sometimes I hate this website. I just can't do this anymore.- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... mcortez
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This is a reply to # 2,238,005Tayto,
I had Acne since the age of 16. My Acne was bad, it left many scars on my face, so I know what your dealing with.
About 2 years and half I decided to go vegan because I wanted to support my dad because he come down with a chronic illness.
So my family and I embarked on this journey of becoming vegans and juicing. It was a very hard transition specially because we did it cold turkey, that's how ill my dad was. I honestly say that was the best decision I have made in life. I have not looked back since then, only to realize how far my family and I have come.
I'm not here to tell you what you should or not,but I'm here telling you my experience.
Since I have been raw-vegan and juicing, I can honestly say my Acne is gone. I notice a difference couple of months into it. I never thought that by changing my lifestyle, my acne would be gone. And I can attribute it to my lifestyle the fact that after dealing with acne for more then 10 years I longer I have to worry, be ashamed or think about acne.
Don't get be wrong I been flushing for over a year now, no I'm not doing it for the acne, but for gallbladder issues which is far worse then acne, I don't wish having gallbladder issues on no one. Yes, flushing does help get your liver and gallbladder clean and operating better, but if you don't change your lifestyle, flushing won't make a difference, like the one you want to see.
Change your lifestyle, keep flushing, take herbs that help the liver and you will see changes.
I hope this helps to encourage you to keep going, never lose hope!
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This is a reply to # 2,238,013Thank you mcortez. I have been vegan already for 8 months now. Unfortunately my skin has not changed. It is clogged pores that I have mostly and bumpy skin, not pimples although I have the scars from pimples. The clogged pores are all over me. I know that I should eat more raw food because my diet is nearly all cooked. I did a high raw diet for sometime in the summer. It did not help my skin, maybe I didn't give it enough time.. I dunno. I agree with you, going vegan has been the best decision I have ever made and, I believe, will ever make:) I am not as depressed as I used to be since changing my diet but I still struggle a lot with it, mainly because of my skin.
I have also taken lots of liver herbs in the past few months. Disappointing results though.
Thank you for your encouragement. I do intend to start making juice again. And congrats to you and your family.
- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Heavensky
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This is a reply to # 2,238,023Until the last batch of stones comes out, whether that takes 2 or 70 flushes to complete, the symptoms of toxicity and bile back-washing into the bloodstream and having to be excreted via the skin will persist. Once the bile ducts are clear of all congestion, then all toxicity will be channeled outward via the ducts, rather than the skin.- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... miked1025
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This is a reply to # 2,238,053what kind of Colon Cleanses have you done? do you have any other symptoms besides acne?- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Tayto
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This is a reply to # 2,238,064I've done coffee enemas and I drink water kefir. I stopped eating gluten because it constipates me. That's all I've done for my colon. I usually have 2 BM's a day. I have Oxypowder but haven't really used it for more than a couple of days.
Yeah my liver is definitely a problem. My gluten intolerance developed when I was on accutane for my skin. food intolerances are linked to the liver and accutane was probably hard on mine. The skin around my eyes has lost it's elasticity and I have a wrinkle on my forehead. I'm 21. I have dry skin (although Iodine has helped this a bit). The whites of my eyes are dull and I have dark circles under them.
I get these little whitehead like bumps on my face, but they're not whiteheads (can't squeeze them). 2 of them went away after a Liver Flush but soon after, another one appeared. Another 2 went away when I did a juice fast. But they just keep reappearing.
I also seem to have a swollen tongue; my tongue has teeth ridges along the sides. I do not know what this is from.
I am also an emotional wreck, but I have to say, it has improved since I started flushing. I think my eyesight got a little sharper after my last flush too.
That is the story now.- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Hidden Username
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This is a reply to # 2,238,081Hi Tayto!
I know how you feel! I'm a vegan too, and if I eat too much fat, my face can break out, otherwise I feel so much better. If you are emotional, I wonder if you are getting enough calories in the form of carbohydrates? Carbs make you happy, your brain will tell the difference right away!:) But high carb must be done with low fat, you will feel crappy otherwise.
Also, have you looked into the amazing info coming out about b-12? I have started Freddd's tritating protocol to get up on my b-12, I am very excited because I can see it is already working. There is so much to read about it, I bet you could benefit from this info Tayto, if you could take the time to read it...wishing you luck!
http://howirecovered.com/active-b12-therapy-faq/#detox
HappyManatee
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This is a reply to # 2,238,092Thanks HappyManatee, yeah I try to eat high carb. When I'm mostly raw, I feel good, but cooked, not so much. I won't be happy anyway unless my skin improves to be honest.
Do you think b12 affects skin?- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Hidden Username
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Sure, it is very involved in detoxification and influences liver flow, which is the king of detoxification for the body. The skin is very related to liver;)
Do you avoid dairy?
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Nevermind, you're a vegan of course you avoid dairy:). Do high carb low fat, look at freelee, etc. B12 was the turn around for her to lose her weight and cellulite. I am tritating on it, it is very funky at first, must be done properly. It's awesome what it can do for the body.
http://howirecovered.com/active-b12-therapy-faq/#detox
- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Director
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This is a reply to # 2,238,112Hi Happymantee,
Thanks for the link to the B-12 page, reading through it now and an question popped into my mind. I read somewhere there that about 60% B12 is stored in the liver. Would it stand to reason therefore that those of us who do Liver Flushes or have disfunctional livers from the stones also have a B12 deficiency, either from the flushing or from the reduced liver function?
What do people think?- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Hidden Username
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Hi Director,
Yes, this is what I am thinking as well. This could be why they tire me out so much.
I also believe that the coffee enemas, although a lifesaver sometimes too, could reduce or deplete b12. As we know, they stimulate production of Glutothione immensely, and Glutothione is believed (or known) to use up quite a bit of b12. If someone is already depleted or nearly depleted of b12, it could be a bad idea to continue the coffee enemas without getting tritrated up on the active b12's, etc. first or simultaneously.
I haven't thought all of this through completely, but am feeling so much better after getting started on Freddd's protocol for titrating the b12's. It's such a treasure hunt sometimes with all of these healing practices. One thing works, but then depletes another. But we keep pressing on:)
HappyManatee
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This is a reply to # 2,238,508Fredds protocol..as in the second post on this thread?
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/b-12-the-hidden-story.142/
"Absolutely critical minimums for basic healing.
Jarrow Formulas 5mg Methyl B12, under upper lip or tongue for at least 45 minutes for best effectiveness
Country Life Dibencozide (adenosylb12) 3mg under upper lip or tongue for at least 45 minutes for best effectiveness
Solgar Metafolin 800mcg
Jarrow B-Right b-complex, 1 capsule twice a day
Potassium, your choice of brand and form - this is insurance against hypokalemia triggered by sudden healing and potentially fatal - if you have blood tests, potassium is usually checked, midrange, around 4.5 is good. Some people will have problems at bottom of "normal" range, 3.5-4.0 as I do.
Omega3 fishoils - essential for myelin sheathing for the nerves, many brands will do, 2-6+ capsules per day, I buy it at Costco, house brand. This is available in many supermarkets."
I ordered everything in the first list this morning. It already goes against my 'no more supplements' decision but the article has piqued my curiosity so I will give it a shot. Plus I ticked quite a few of the 'symptoms' off as well, so between that and Liver Flushes I hope to get to the point of once or twice a year maintenance for most protocols...eventually.- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Hidden Username
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Hi Director,
Boy do I hear you on the supps! I can't even really tolerate them, so I avoid them, but b12 is unique and in a class of it's own, IMHO. Also, I am vegan, so I am def not getting it in my diet.
I am using this outline of Freddd's protocol. I am titrating up with the active b12's and folate as I have CFS and can't afford any crashes or "healing" crisis anytime soon.
I am taking 1/3 tablet of mb12 every morning after breakfast, must keep it under the tongue as long as possible. I did that for 3 days, then added in 1/4 tablet of 800mcg folate. That made me feel good, amazingly. I did have some of what Freddd refers to as "start up" reactions to the tiny amount of mb12, like dizzy, drunk feelings. This means I really need the stuff so I am happy I'm on to this.
Then after 7 days, this wed., I will add in the adb12, which is the other active form of b12. This outline really helps to understand the process better.
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/my-understanding-of-freddds-protocol.1697/
Also, the way the body uses b12 is still over my head, but I found this thread on Andreas' forum. He didn't seem to think the liver flush washed it all out, but some practicioners apparently do believe that, so maybe nobody knows. Regardless, a lot of ills are associated and being reversed with this protocol, so I think it's something we should all investigate, try and then adopt or rule out before we do more invasive things, IMHO.
http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=660046#i
I also am finding quite a bit of good info on this site regarding nutrigenomics and b12, etc:
www.howirecovered.com
Wishing everybody healing today!
HappyManatee
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- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Tayto
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This is a reply to # 2,238,508That is very interesting. This kind of b12 be OK?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0013OQGO6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3PR0U15BWLZY5- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Hidden Username
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Hi Tayto,
I believe the Jarrow is the one Freddd recommends. I couldn't find and am using Solgar mb12, it is working just fine too.
Here is the breakdown of how to titrate up on the b12's and the folate, very good to do it this way as then you will know your body's reaction to these vital things like the back of your hand and it'll empower you in many ways....good luck!
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/my-understanding-of-freddds-protocol.1697/
HappyManatee
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This is a reply to # 2,238,578I ordered the Jarrow and the other brands that Freddd recommended from Iherb yesterday. They were out of the Solgar 800's so I just got the 400's instead.
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This is a reply to # 2,238,111Ok thanks I will read into b12. Yeah I'm fully vegan and gluten free. No dairy, unfortunately it has not improved my skin like it has helped other people.
Thanks happymanatee :)
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This is a reply to # 2,238,081"I have Oxypowder but haven't really used it for more than a couple of days".
A couple of days is not nearly enough. You need to take the whole bottle over the course of time. Fasting is just going to make you feel sick, it dumps toxins too fast and your body can't handle it right now.
"The whites of my eyes are dull and I have dark circles under them."
That's a toxic liver your eyes should be shiny and bright with no dark circles.
"I also seem to have a swollen tongue; my tongue has teeth ridges along the sides. I do not know what this is from".
I do, you're digestion is compromised because the bile isn't flowing properly to digest food. You still have blockages in your biles ducts and alot of toxins in your colon.
"I am also an emotional wreck, but I have to say, it has improved since I started flushing."
YOUR LIVER IS THE SEAT OF YOUR EMOTIONS . Then keep going just when you think you will not reach success, it's actually right around the corner!
You got this! I wouldn't start fasting till all stones are out. Fasting dries up the gall bladder from not eating any fats
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This is a reply to # 2,238,093Thanks miked1025, so you agree that my liver is my main problem.
"you're digestion is compromised because the bile isn't flowing properly to digest food. You still have blockages in your bile ducts and a lot of toxins in your colon"
Is this the reason I'm not getting many stones out, because of blockages in my bile duct?
I don't know what to do about my colon. Will the Oxypowder be enough to sort it out? I mean it's just a laxative isn't it..
I will keep flushing but I really need to see some improvement soon you know. I dunno if I can wait long more before I do a fast. I want my scars to heal too. I'm so sick of my face!!!
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This is a reply to # 2,238,107Absolutely! Your bile ducts cannot be flowing freely with your symptoms. Sometimes your bile ducts are so congested with very large intraheptic and semi calcified stones it's hard to get them out with just the pressure alone.
Get a good gold coin grass tincture to break these stones apart and I am sure will release more stones. Take malic acid for a couple weeks.
A Liver Flush isn't entirely just flushing with olive oil and juice but prepping is just as important too! You will bust these stones into smaller pieces making them easier to pass.
Oxypowder is not a laxative. It's an oxygen based cleanser which means you cant get dependent on them like laxatives.
Sometimes when your colon is congested the stones cannot come out or can get trapped which would make you really toxic and give you even more Acne because it's flowing around in your bloodstream.
Cleansing the colon before and after is equally important as flushing the liver as is prepping for this powerful flush.
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This is a reply to # 2,238,116OK well it is 5pm now and I'm doing a flush tonight so I won't be able to clean out my colon before this flush.
Yeah I have gold coin grass and I took it for almost a month. I think it went bad on me though, it started to taste funny. For the first 6 or 7 flushes I took malic acid but to no avail. I always get a lot of chaff though. Maybe the chaff is bits off of the blocked stones. I hope I get a big release of stones tomorrow.
Thank you miked1025.- Re: Fasting to make flushing work. H... Hidden Username
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Walgreens has enema bags, you can do simple warm water enemas, does wonders for the colon, your mind and your liver. I get colonics twice a month, and if I do a few enemas, I get as much release from the liver as with colonics. Stay simple, rebuild your gut. Get off supps for a week and see if brain fog clears up, if so, you have a good indication that b12/methylation is the prob....good luck with flush!
p.s. I personally would not water fast right now, focus on gut health:)
HappyManatee
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Sorry! Got you confused with someone else regarding supps!
I still stay the same regarding water fasting. Look into b12, and get going on some warm water enemas, keep it simple. If acne is your only prob, (I know it really really sucks) you are far better off than a lot of people on here and some of the therapies recommended unfortunately can make people worse, but I agree with liver flushing, but get going on b12 education/tritating and enemas...all the best to you!
HappyManatee
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This is a reply to # 2,238,127Ok thank you.
Well my scars are really bad too, that is why I am keen to fast but I will flush at least 2 more times before I fast.
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Tayto,
I'm sorry about your scars, I know it is very rough! You will heal, I am just trying to get you to see please do not do anything that will make yourself worse, because it is very easy to do so. Fasting is hard on the body, I used to believe in it, but now I don't know. Our bodies are so incredibly toxic and immune systems are damaged from this modern world.
Also, regarding the B12, it is the THE most important thing you could do for your health right now, IMHO. It is that huge. It is downplayed and ignored because it hasn't been studied in the West extensively. Most of the scientific research is being done in Japan.
Please look into it, it is like a delicate process to get yourself up on it. I take Methylated B12 in a sublingual tablet, don't take Cyano B12. I did do injections at home, but the start up reactions were pretty heavy. You have to start small and work your way up to saturation. Could take a few months, etc.
I started with 1/4 a tablet and I had start up symptoms. Leave it under your tongue at least 45 mins, that is key. It doesn't take much to get the engines going in the body, just the right thing.
It can make you deficient in other things in the beginning, read upn on titrating, or type in Freddd's protocol. Rich's b12 protocol is good too. I'm excited about what it is doing for me in only a short while.
I wish you all the best in your journey! I have been into natural health since 1987, and this is the most remarkable stuff I have ever read, it is new and cutting edge regarding titrating up on b-12's.
HappyManatee
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This is a reply to # 2,238,174I know fasting can be complicated but I will stay at home the whole time, I won't be working or anything so I'll be OK. Other people have done fasts to heal their scars and it worked. I know of one guy who smoked a lot of weed and ate really badly and he just jumped into a fast. He did 18 days and some of his scars healed.
Anyway, last nights flush was just the same as always so I could be flushing for years. I'm not staying like this.
Thanks anyway and I will definitely look at b12
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This is a reply to # 2,238,294Flushes, fasting, killing parasites, etc. are purges. Some conditions - in some people - are not meant to be cured by purging. Instead, some folks need nourishment. The vitamins/minerals/herbs or whatever feed the body and give it the energy to clean itself in its own way.
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