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My mom (72 y.o.) has been having issues for a year now. She had an ovarian cyst, but didn't want to operate. A year later it was a tumor that has spread over colon and stomach.
She was operated on yesterday and they removed the ovaries and the tumor next it to. The uterus they couldn't get to.
So the cancer is like a glue substance in her case, fusing together the bowels and stomach. Doctor is amazed she had bowel movements at all. She is of course now fairly weak from malnourished as she had problem eating anything.
The good thing is the cancer is on the outside, inside of stomach and bowels is apparently still clean. It spread from the ovaries around the stomach.
We have prepared cannabis oil, B17 therapy (injections, extract, kernels, ozone, everything, ready to throw the kitchen sink at it.
I have spoken to the doctor, and he says she has maybe two months if she doesn't do chemo. That the chemo would be good here as it would simply dissolve everything and her organs would be back in place. Probably should could eat and absorb better. This sounded very good to me.
I know this is ungrateful to ask, but should we just take the chemo as well, sort of bomb everything and then make sure it doesn't come back with natural approach and lifestyle changes?
Or would the chemo be a mistake? I don't have enough knowledge to make an educated guess here. I know nobody can really say this or that, just wodering what people here would do. I often read people took chemo with cannabis/b17 when they cured it sucesfully. Maybe that was what did it, chemokilled everything and they nurtured back the good stuff...
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This is a reply to # 2,231,796The problem with most chemo is that it destroys the immune system. So, you do not die of cancer but of something else. You often do not live longer, some die directly of their first chemo session but the doctors do not want to tell you about that. I knew a lady who had about a year to a year and a half to live with basically the same thing, endometrial cancer. She decided on chemo, took one session, which devastated her and she was gone in less than 4 months.
The worst part of chemo is that you spend what is left of your life in misery. These poisons do not make you feel better which is what some alternatives do.
The choice is up to your mom but she should remember that the oncologist makes a LOT of money off of the chemo, so the oncologist is going to encourage it, possibly even where it may not have much benefit and possibly where it may actually be detrimental.
What it comes down to is not necessarily how long you want to live, but how you want to live.
I always recommend that before making a decision that the person with cancer read Dr. Hulda Clark 's book the "Cure for All Cancer". While she was not perfect, there are many people alive today, that had been sent home to die, due to her therapies. You do not have to go to a clinic or a doctor for this.
There are many other helpful things. See http://www.cancertutor.com
I also recommend the very inspirational book "Remarkable Recovery" by Caryle Hirshberg, Marc Ian Barasch
I send my prayers and ask for blessings of comfort and joy for you and yours.
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My mom was diagnosed with Breast Cancer in 1980. She had a mastectomy and chemo and was cancer-free for 10 years. The only lifestyle change she made was to quit smoking. When the cancer came back, she again pursued conventional treatment (chemo and radiation), and she ultimately lived five more years. Granted, the last few years were pretty rough going.
A friend of mine was diagnosed with uterine cancer early enough that it most likely could have been successfully treated with conventional medicine. But, she was a chiropractor and very much into alternative healing modalities, so she refused conventional medicine and died about a year later.
Steve Jobs was blessed in having a more treatable type of pancreatic cancer, but he blew his chance to survive by doing alternative remedies until it was too late.
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This is a reply to # 2,231,833Since almost everyone who has had cancer ended up taking chemo, it is only natural for there to be survival stories.
Some people survive cancer despite the chemicals and radiation that they are given, not necessarily because of it.
As most everyone here who knows me is already aware of, I lost my former wife to lung cancer. She was a very heavy smoker and did not want to quit smoking. She also did not want to do chemo or radiation. Since she knew that the kids would almost certainly emotionally force her to take chemo, she did everything possible to hide her cancer for years.
When she was finally diagnosed, she was told that she would not live longer than 2 to 4 weeks without radiation and even then, it would be only about 2 months before she passed. She finally quit smoking and decided to go the natural and nutritional route, outliving their prediction for over three months before she finally passed because she was given a painkiller that she was allergic to.
But this story is not about her. Nearly a year later, I was dating a lady who was a cancer survivor. She had leukemia in her twenties and told me that her chemo had saved her. Upon hearing what she had taken, I realized that what she had taken was actually proven to be completely ineffective.
I suggested to her that perhaps it might have been something else such as a change of diet, that actually affected her cancer but she was incredulous about it which led to an argument, at which I bowed out and apologized.
About five minutes later, her eyes got very wide as she exclaimed 'Holy S--t!', I always hated spicy food before that but every Thursday after chemo, I would go across the street and order the hottest things on the menu at the Mexican restaurant.
One of the most powerful anticancer foods is capsaicin, which is found in most peppers. It has been shown to increase activity in the white blood cells that are supposed to provide immunity against cancer.
Many people, but not all, who develop cancer, eat a bland diet with lots of carbohydrates and sugars. Since the chemo destroys much of their appetite, they tend to eat spicier foods afterwards. So, why not just skip the chemo and try the spices?
Just my experience.
Do not think that beating cancer is going to be a simple easy thing, this is one reason why many fail.
However, any doctor who is worth his weigh in salt, will tell you that it is the job of the immune system to stop cancer. So, if you have cancer, it is exactly because the immune system is not doing its job. More than 90 percent of the time, if the immune system is impaired, it is because the diet is not right. You are either getting things that you should not be getting or you are not getting something
that you really need.
Also, please note, not all chemotherapy is so harsh and some of the latest techniques have made some improvement but at the same time, they still only attack the cells in the body but do not address the very reason that you have cancer in the first place, which is a failed immune system.
Fix the problem, fix the immune system, and the cancer will go away. No one ever, ever got cancer because they had not taken enough poison!
David
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Thank you all so much for the responses.
Over the years I never thought I would even consider taking chemo should such a need arise. I was smugly shaking my head when i heard someone has opted for chemo, like i knew everything.
My mom lives a healthy lifestyle, but has not treated the sickness as a cancer. She thought it was a cyst, a lot of alternative people (iridologist, bio resonance guy who is an MD, even a bio energetic person who is supposed to have etheric vision) said they don't see cancer. That's how we ended up here, too stupid to go and check on a real medical exam, even as things got worse.
Of course once doctor comes to you and says, look, chemo will dissolve this thing like sugar. 2-3 years on average if she does chemo, 2 months if she doesn't, you think, yes yes chemo. And then when chemo kills everything we can do miracles with alternative approach, cannabis, oxygen etc...but then seems like an illusion. Because she is rather week...perhaps a strong person can take chemo in such a case, that is what i am thinking.
My biggest concern, i guess, is weather the other approaches (cannabis oil, b17, ozone therapy) can reach the cancer that is inside the abodomen?
Because my mom doesn't want chemo. I could probably persuade her to take it, so either way it's up to me. If it do one or the other, and it doesn't work out well, i will feel it is on me.
Rectal insufflation of ozone seems like something that would work first and best if we fore go chemo.
Also, is it possible to give b17 shots directly into abdomen region?
Thank you for your thoughts.
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This is a reply to # 2,231,796I had a number of ppl around me ie workmates, close friend to name a few.. Who had negative outcomes fr chemo
Obviously yr mom hv had metastasis ..stage what? IV?
72 yo to survive even a surgery is quite a feat. Older ppl tend to hv higher risk on surgery
For me..Its hard to advice on alternative med for this scenario..as i dont hv any experience on that personally, better ask those who had such experience with metastasized cancer and alt med.. Solid tumours are quite challenging, as i know, even to modern medicine
I do have a precancerous issue at this time...perhaps early stage...doc tend to overlook and typically they treat pt only when they see the cancer at late stage
I can feel it is responding to alt med and im combining with certain drug and nutrition to address the issue
I tend to agree with the Above poster saying that immune function is the core issue that is at hand ...when someone has cancer..it is due to the failure of immune system to detect and destroy the abnormal cells. I have read a lot more on this issue recently, due to my condition
I think ppl rarely ask why or what is the basic issue abt ppl who had cancer. Although ppl do know that immune failure is part of the reasons..they never ask more. Why does it fail and ow it turn as such? This is not really addressed as a whole
1-Accumulation of Toxin and failure to detox. Toxin can also come fr unhealthy lifestyle such as drinking or smoking. 2-Accumulation or parasites (during lifetime) either bacteria or protozoa or helminth or etc parasites in the body. Recent studies showed that worms can lower our immunity...ie they do that to avoid itself fr being expelled out of the body. Now we know why it stays in the host. They secrete cytokines that trick our immune system. parasites secrete cytokines or proteins that nudge down our immune system. The more parasites one has...the lower immunity in the body..as these parasites may cooperate to stay in the host. Toxins also resuled to failure or lower of our immune system. 3-unhealthy gastro system...never cleaned the gut ..then a lot of old gunks will stick on the walls..then digestion affected...putrefication occurs...and bad bacteria also accumulates. This releases toxins in the gut that can be absorbed.. and put down our immune system. Eventually unclean gut will cause indigestion...then escalate to leaky gut sydrome...then allergic rxn to etc food arises.
So, cancer did not just appear. The basic story is immune system being suppressed due to the above reasons.
Deworming and parasite cleanse, detoxing, cleaning gut...are some things we all need to put on schedule during the year.
I recently did some parasite cleanse (etc antiworm, humawom), along with monolaurin capsules, grape seed extract (meganatural GSE) and vitC supplement. To my own experience, only pureway c worked the best (swansonsvitamins purewayc) many vitC i took during my lifetime didnt give marked skin improvement (not that was intended such thing usually only occur if i take megadoses of normal vitC). Some ppl say vitC in high doses is a good anticancer agent. Solubke vitC may not be good as it may be toxic to the kidney in high doses.
The Grapefruit-Seed-Extract and Monolaurin may also dissolve capsules or slimes protecting parasites in the body. Another good supplement is ubiquinol..this is a supercharge q10 that can help white blood cells activity. Oxygen therapy may be good as cancer dislikes oxygen. Some ppl used ozonate water ..or breath ozone gas that has been passed thru olive oil.
Dimethyl glycine is another supplement that is said to inceprease tissue oxygenation..and cancer hates oxygen
Trimethyglycine is said to help with detoxing function of the liver
Since my condition is related to HPV precancerous issue, i am also now taking Ranitidine. This drug is similar to cimetidine, but cimetidine is not preferred as it has many side effects and drug interactions.
The above drug is said to increase cell mediated immune function,the arm of our immune system that target cancer cellss.. I did not encounter any article mentioning the good part of this drug for other cancers..only hpv related cancer it seems..did not read more for other cancers and cimetidine
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I forgot to add, im also on 100mgx2 7-keto daily...this supplement iss aid to increase the immune function
Since using 7keto, monolaurin and GsE and purewayc...and doing some gut cleaning and some parasite cleanse... Ihv had a significant energy improvement.. I dont really crave sweet things and i can easily skip meals, as i can feel that my blood Sugar is very stable.. Ive also lost inches due to 7keto and the parasite cleanse without going to gym or doing any cardio
I now think that the yoyo Sugar levels and extreme hungry feelings are actually due to parasites
I should also mention that 2 of my friends who had relatives under surgery..due to cancer...the docs found worms in the pts gut... Not a strange coincidence ..Google "helminth and immune functio" to know more on this
We deworm our pets at least once a yr...why not us.? I also wonder if "raw" and organic food are parasite free,,,- No chemo selected eidos
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This is a reply to # 2,232,599Thank you all again for the responses.
We have decided not to do the chemotherapy. At the moment i am amazed i even considered it.
One question remains, and i can't seem to find an answer with google: Are Cannabais oil, B17 and ozone therapy ok to use together? Has anyone heard they might work against each other for some reason?
Of course the other thing is diet, very healthy and alkaline, some quality supplements. We're also using baking soda to make the shift to alkaline as fast as possible. She is still in hospital and being pumped with Antibiotics due to surgery, which sucks.
Cannabis oil and Baking soda until she gets out.
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I saw in the documentary by Ty Bollinger called quest for the cure one Dr said something that surprised me.
I always thought I had a top notch immune system have had maybe one flu in 35 years, maybe 3 colds that I knocked out in a day with natural treatments. I could go in a room of sick people and not get hurt..I had cancer (insist 20 years ago) and had been fine until 18 months ago.
Now 18 months ago, I found a large tumor in breast and found it was aggressive triple negative breast cancer (tnbc) which is 4 times as deadly as regular breast cancer.
In fact just days ago had a chest X-ray as thought had pneumonia which many symptoms were same as metastasized breast cancer. I had refused chemo and had not done what they wanted which they wanted mastectomy and always refused to biopsy and remove my no sentinel nodes I had none of that done and removed as knew that destroyed the immune system...and made it very difficult to heal naturally according to master healer Dr Richard Schulze who worked with terminal and difficult cancers with 90% cure rate his incurables program is one to do...if interested message me with email address and I will send the link to it and chapters from his manual3 Drs said I will die and it will be back in 2 or 3 years most with tnbc die within 3 years but if you survive 5 years post treatment, your risk of recurrence drops to below regular breast cancer almost to nil chance of recurrence so making it 5 years is the goal as then I may not die...I have 3 1/2 years to go and now I am at risk as do not know yet if it has spread to lungs pending more testing from a recent chest X-ray and am awaiting further testing to see if I am now in stage 4 or not..it is 6 months before they thought it would recur so was not prepared at all for all this...Dr is delaying everything making it so hard as I am terrified really.
The X-ray showed suspicious nodule but too hard to read..am awaiting a cat scan order to know more and see if it is cancer spread which will put me in the stage 4 and in my mind much deadlier place so please pray for me anyone who sees this (Jane).
Anyway, I thought I had this great immune system then got cancer (It is likely I have the BRCA gene due to family history).
One doctor in the documentary said it is people who never get sick who worry me..he said this means the immune system is not working at all or mounting a fight.
I also found out that I have lowered white blood cells a day ago also but this may be due to an infection as yet undiagnosed. Dr screwing me up from knowing if cancer or not..need to talk to her about extending the chest cat scan down to cover liver etc to see if any cancer found.
I went in for appt yesterday to ask this and see her with important questions and went and they said I did not have an appt though Dr said personally in a mychart that I did.so I did not get to see her as she left office before I got there for my appt (on time) cause they forgot to put appt down in scheduling book so they said she would call which she did not now I have to wait until Thursday to schedule cat scan to know more and I need prayer she will contact me sooner so not so hard on me and that she will agree to do entire torso or to the waist and not only the chest to see if other areas are cancer free or not as I have had no testing for 18 months post surgery. i also need prayer it is not cancer and that cancer never returns and for me to do my program better as I have slipped the last 3 weeks and trying to get back on track..I would appreciate any prayers on my behalf.
today she was supposed to all in am and at night but though I stayed by phone all day to see if could get what I wanted, she never even attempted to call..now they wanted me to reschedule 11 days later making me wait longer to know if I will die or not (if it spread).
well anyway, chemo does harm. this is why I turned it down..it often cases permanent harm to the brain and people have either chemo brain, no chemo brain or permanent chemo brain.a recent study on stage two colon cancer (see chrisbeatcancer site for more on this study plus many testimonies of healing and info must see site) showed those on chemo had lower quality of life, had cancer recur 3 times more than those who did nothing and had 2 times more death than those who did nothing.A study of early stage breast cancer where they did everything Dr said (for instance-chemo, surgery, radiation and drugs like hormones) and where all told we got it all imp;led they got it back as 85% of them died of breast cancer so at best chemo shrinks it temporarily (but does not kill the deadly cancer stem cells that make it recur but it also can make new cancers more aggressive. chemo is a bad idea except maybe cancer is blocking airways or something life threatening or very painful
I feel surgery is best Drs have as if they get it all and +it truly has clear margins and if not in a blood vessels inside the cancer like mine was they might get it all and the stem cells and it may not recur Surgery may buy you more time to do natural and does not harm as much as chemo or radiation though that depends on where it is and its effects.
People who get chemo can suffer permanent lowering of IQ tests proof changes before and after for some. It can cause bran shrinkage --a brother has this due to psych meds he is on...he is confused and has next to no memory forgetting things at times 5 minutes after it happens..I am adept at accessing IQ I feel as former teacher and I would say his IQ dropped 40 points.
One can have permanent language difficulties and cant find right words to say what they want..they can suffer cognitive decline, severe memory loss
One person even never spoke again after chemo and had to have 24 hours care..chemo can also cause permanent liver damage (one needs liver to detoxify, permanent damage to the lungs (cancer lives in low oxygen areas, the kidneys and the immune system..
It can make the cancer more aggressive. See some help in this post I did (I will get the link).
some notes I have on baking soda (and conflicts with other protocols (you might find info on other conflicts at cancer tutor site
Very Important Note
The baking soda portion of this treatment should not be used for more than three weeks at a time. During the first week no more than two Teaspoons a day of baking soda should be taken orally. During the second and third week no more than one Teaspoon a day of baking soda should be taken orally. Only under the care of a medical practitioner should these maximum internal doses be exceeded.
http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1334781&s=2#i9 see this
with baking soda and vitamin c protocol per cancer tutor
by R. Webster Kehr
Independent Cancer Research Foundation, Inc.
Conflicts With Other Treatments
Do NOT take this protocol if you are on the Budwig Diet (the Vitamin C will interfere with the Budwig Diet).
Do NOT take this protocol if you are taking Protocel(R), Entlev(R), Paw Paw, or graviola (including Amazon Factor Protocol). The Vitamin C will interfere with the way these protocols work.
Do NOT take this protocol if you are taking Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS), sodium chlorite (stabilized oxygen) or chlorine dioxide. The Vitamin C will neutralize the way these protocols work.
Read More http://www.cancertutor.com/vitc_bsoda/
When mixed and heated together, the maple syrup and baking soda bind together. The maple syrup targets cancer cells (which consume 15 times more glucose than normal cells) and the baking soda, which is dragged into the cancer cell by the maple syrup, being very alkaline, forces a rapid shift in pH, killing the cell. The actual formula is to mix one part baking soda with three parts (pure, 100%) maple syrup in a small saucepan. Stir briskly and heat the mixture for 5 minutes. Take 1 teaspoon daily [wow, such a small amount!], is what is suggested by Cancer Tutor, but one could probably do this several times a day.
“There is not a tumor on God’s green earth that cannot be licked with a little baking soda and maple syrup.” That is the astonishing claim of controversial folk healer Jim Kelmun who says that this simple home remedy can stop and reverse the deadly growth of cancers. His loyal patients swear by the man they fondly call Dr. Jim, and say he is a miracle worker. “Dr. Jim cured me of lung cancer,” said farmer Ian Roadhouse. “Those other doctors told me that I was a goner and had less then six months to live. But the doc put me on his mixture and in a couple of months the cancer was gone. It did not even show up on the x-rays.”
And [if you like] see: http://www.cancertutor.com/simoncini/
--here is Vernon's protocol on how to do it
http://phkillscancer.com/protocol/
here is Vernon showing how to do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8Y8I_TsjI
might find some info here
http://www.cancertutor.com/what_causes_cancer/
baking soda Dr Simoncini kills Candida which he thinks is how one is killed by cancer and this is what spreads not the cancer (but note he injects the baking soda inside the tumor so orally would only reach cancer in the colon perhaps/. yet others claim cure by just drinking it but be sure to do other things too.
See my post here for some ideas and about killing cancer stem cells..a comprehensive program works best and raw vegan foods of utmost important 100% raw is best
I know of 5 protocols that had anecdotal cures and they all had high or all raw as part of the program..the enzymes in raw produce kills cancer stem cells which are the only ones that spread to distant locations and kill people..read green tea might also do this plus the things I mention in this post
http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2232611
also see this post and any in that thread
http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=813024
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