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Meet Mike Bickel, leader of ihop church in Kansas City who is demonized by cessationists, while Francis Chan said he loves Him. Mike is passionate about prayer and leads a 24/7 prayer house. Does he seem as evil as all the cessationist propaganda has made him out to be? 2 minute video.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,264Mike Bickle is said to be a top leader in nar, whatever this means exactly. Is he really as scary as the propaganda has brainwashed some into believing?
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This is a reply to # 2,203,264Mike Bickle has been labeled as one of the top leaders of the nar. Does all he says in this video seem to line up with your preconceived notions about what leaders of nar are like, based on all of the brainwashing propaganda you have seen? He values the bible extremely highly, he acknowledges that many dreams, visions, healings, prophesies and manifestations are not of God. Where is all the sensationalistic hoopla in this man of God that everybody associated with nar is supposed to have? The same people who would show a sensationalistic video of some false manifestation happening in Mike's church, He is saying in this video that He knows it's false. To police and stop every manifestation that may be false before someone can make a youtube video of it to use against mike bickle and/or ihop, you would have to ban all of the true ones too. Yet these false manifestation videos are continually used as hysteria promoting propaganda ammunition against Mike, ihop, nar, etc rather than discussing the real issues.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,264So called nar leader talking about the importance to him of living simply which directly opposes what cessationist propaganda against nar leaders would suggest.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,264For all of you who have been propagandizing against nar, picking and choosing sellect misalignments with God in videos of sellect individuals, extreme obnoxious examples which most in the loosely knit nar umbrella likely do not agree with and for those of you who have been brainwashed by all the propaganda against nar and ihop, where are your attacks against Mike bickle, the leader of ihop, his attitudes and his "false teachings"?
Does this seem like a man who is going to become violent and start killing cessationists or is that beginning to look more and more like the fear and hysteria driven brainwashing of extremely mentally unstable and delusional individuals? Does he seem like a guy who is going to teach "toking the ghost" or kicking women in the face or taking over the world by force all as the picture has been painted by cessationist fanatics who primarily oppose any group of people who believe (know) that the gifts are for today and that God's living voice still speaks into the hearts of His children? Mike has deeply emphasized his love for both the Living God AND the bible and how essential it is to remain in alignment to the principles therein, which the fanatical cessationist propagandists say nar people don't do.
Since Mike is a "top leader of nar" which must make him a bad guy, a wolf with harmful intentions and a "false teacher" whom all should run away from in fear and for dear life, why don't you prove it? Use these several videos to demonstrate how he is evil and a servant of satan as some fanatical cessationists have intimated everyone associated with nar to be... to prove that his heart is not to live in God's will and His ways. it should be easy, right?
Or... if you realize now that you have been sucked in and indoctrinated by all of the sensationalistic false propaganda nonsense against him... and the over-application of every misaligned incident within the huge overall nar umbrella placed before you as if it destroys all of the truth within the entire nar model (for which Mike Bickle is a "top leader"), why not acknowledge this and repent of it? I know it's embarrassing, but every lie we once believed that we humbly repent of will make us that much more free in Christ the Lord and in our intimate relationship with Him.
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So are you saying to mark them or ignore them like Bickle does?
How do I know Bickle is not just like the silly, giggly girl, who is being careless by ignoring the false doctrine coming up in the ranks? Does he not realize that he will have to step down one day and someone else take his place?
This is the exact same problem within the presbyterian USA church, when people with false doctrine stepped up to the plate and were given positions to spread the falseness. The people wrongly thought surely God will not allow it to happen to the church. They ignored it...because they didn't want war...they wanted peace. They had to compromise in order to get people to work together.
The church needs to fix it's own problems before it dares step out into the world arena thinking it's going to occupy until Jesus comes.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,396Refreshed: So are you saying to mark them or ignore them like Bickle does?
Ed: Mark or ignore what? What is Mike ignoring in your eyes?
Refreshed: How do I know Bickle is not just like the silly, giggly girl, who is being careless by ignoring the false doctrine coming up in the ranks?
Ed: You would have to have discernment from God and use it and stop being sucked into the sensationalistic propaganda videos of fanatical cessationists. Has Mike given you the slightest indication that he is like the giggly girl in what he believes or in how he experiences the Lord? Can you not tell the two of them apart, really? Will everyone who believes that the gifts and God's living voice are for today that you don't agree with in some way be placed into the "giggly girl" category? How can this insane over-generalization possibly be discernment from God? One guy believes he hears from God to punch a lady in the face and you automatically believe that everyone associated with the nar model is guilty and that those with core beliefs of God's gifts and voice being for today will eventually begin killing people in their quest to conquor the world? That's so gullable, but the power of sensationalistic propaganda imposed upon undiscerning minds is clearly not to be underestimated.
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I'm trying to be open here with you. I'm trying to be reasonable.
Giggly girl = no prob. No one is concerned. It's like the Catholic church which keeps forgiving and forgiving within itself and not bringing criminals to justice....no prob....sweep it under the rug and go on.
The problem is...the Catholic church CAN be held accountable (even if they think they can't)....but a free floating ministry can not.
They are untouchable.
It's like a flash mob. Only one person may get caught doing the dirty deed....the other 99 got away with it. The group as a whole can not be brought down....because they are not a group. The mob can grow and grow from all directions and there is no stopping it. It's the same with NAR...churches from all over can keep joining and participating and no one is bothering to check them at the door.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,433Refreshed: Giggly girl = no prob. No one is concerned.....no prob....sweep it under the rug and go on.
Ed: I already intimated that giggly girl has some spiritual immaturity and some false doctrinal ideas, but what more do you expect me to do about it? How is it that you so flippantly attach her to me and to Mike Bickle? Are you unable to see that we are 3 unique individuals each different from one another in many ways including our beliefs and our behavior?
Refreshed: It's like a flash mob. Only one person may get caught doing the dirty deed....the other 99 got away with it. The group as a whole can not be brought down....because they are not a group. The mob can grow and grow from all directions and there is no stopping it. It's the same with NAR...churches from all over can keep joining and participating and no one is bothering to check them at the door.
Ed: nar was a pre-existing observation of c. peter wagner and he simply named it. It was in existence long before it became the slightest bit of an organized group and is still today extremely unorganized. Most churches considered to be a part of nar probably don't even know what nar is. It has no membership, no annual meeting, no dues and no newsletter. How can such an uncohesive unit be expected to police every single thing that happens within every church and every indivisual that fits the apostolic model?
It would be like you placing the expectation upon all of calvinism and cessationism to police every dirty deed done within every church associated with these models, however firmly and however loosely, even though it is an extremely uncohesive unit with no central leadership. There is simply no authority structure within either nar or calvinism to do this in anything close to being comprehensive. Their may be tiny pockets of it within both, but it's not anywhere near being a thoroughly organized unit like say the catholic church which actually does have central leadership in the vatican and clear authority over every catholic church within the entire umbrella.
Is any of this beginning to sink in? How many times must the same truth be explained over and over again before you and others finally begin to get it?
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Nevermind, i got a good clue when i read another of your posts above. You are unable to see the truth or even the logic in my words. Maybe you are too far gone into the delusion you received by allowing yourself to so readily be sucked into the propaganda videos. Like vektek, you are not willing to judge the cessationist conglomeration by the same measure you use to judge the apostolic conglomeration... which yes, makes you a hypocrite.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,393There is no lack of exposing information on Mike Bickle. Anyone can easily google and read. Mike Bickle was very aligned with Bob Jones (the man that had women undress for him so he could prophecy). Mike Bickle has made in mandatory that all his students/interns watch the history of IHOP which highlights Bob Jones's influence.
Testimony after testimony has poured out over the years of people who have escaped Mike Bickle's cult and testimony after testimony has also poured out from family members that say they were cut off from their son or daughter because of IHOP.
IHOP is a cult. It has all the markings of a cult. Read the testimony I posted below by Aerial.
IHOP is filled with mystism, and occult practices.
Here's a good article on all that.
http://ihopisnewage.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/mysticism-occult-ihops-mike-bick...
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This is a reply to # 2,203,404the beast and the false prophet are the government and the church. they weork hand in hand, always.
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This is a reply to # 2,203,393Ed: where are your attacks against Mike bickle, the leader of ihop, his attitudes and his "false teachings"?
Rainy: Ed a wolf does not need to have false teachings to be a wolf. He is going to show truth and correctness of attitudes and everything else he can to promote himself. Appearing to have correct doctrines, a great attitude and to be very spiritual does not mean he cannot be a wolf. A wolf will use all these things sometimes to deceive many. The control he has over people is what is making him a cult. This is not of God. He is not going to make a video of all his faults.
This very well could be part of the strong delusion! Ed, I feel strongly that you need to seek God for more discernment as we all do. Ed, people are not going to take your word for things just because you prayed and fasted for discernment. We all have our own discernment that we have prayed and fasted for. We are going to look to the Holy Spirit for truth not you just because you prayed and fasted. Many have prayed and fasted and have come out of it still messed up. I don't know why that is, but it happens. Even people in false religions pray and fast.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,203,423Rainy: Ed a wolf does not need to have false teachings to be a wolf. He is going to show truth and correctness of attitudes and everything else he can to promote himself. Appearing to have correct doctrines, a great attitude and to be very spiritual does not mean he cannot be a wolf. A wolf will use all these things sometimes to deceive many. The control he has over people is what is making him a cult. This is not of God. He is not going to make a video of all his faults.
Ed: still sticking to the "huge Spirit filled church had some complaints against it by an extremely tiny portion of the students and others who attend there... and i didn't want to consider all of the positive testimonies since i have been spiritually abused myself and always believe every story of spiritual abuse i hear... so i just assume that Mike Bickle is controlling and that ihop is a cult" story. I get it.
Rainy: This very well could be part of the strong delusion! Ed, I feel strongly that you need to seek God for more discernment as we all do. Ed, people are not going to take your word for things just because you prayed and fasted for dicernment. We all have our own dicernment that we have prayed and fasted for. We are going to look to the Holy Spirit for truth not you just because you prayed and fasted. Many have prayed and fasted and have come out of it still messed up. I don't know why that is, but it happens. Even people in false religions pray and fast.
Ed: There is always room for even more discernment unless we have reached the Lord Jesus level which i believe nobody has. So yes Lord, please take that awesome discernment you poured into my spirit to the next level and thank you :). I am not expecting people to "just take my word for things", but hoping that my words will at least be considered with an open heart and mind and that they might help others to see that some of the foolish things they are saying and concluding, led by the strongly deluded fanatical cessationist vektek are ridiculous.
People should look to the Holy Spirit, that's great, but unfortunately, most are not hearing so well since most are so deeply in their flesh.
When you get a massive breakthrough in discernment, you will know it, just like when you get baptized in the Holy Spirit, you know it or when you start spontaneously speaking in tongues you know it. Please tell me your amazing testimony of the day the Lord sent you a massive breakthrough in discernment.
People in false religions are not fasting and praying in passionate love unto my Lord Jesus, they are doing so unto whatever false god they are praying to. Thus, they are likely only to be reinforcing their false beliefs. Best wishes.- Re: Does Mike Bickle seem like someo... vektek
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This is a reply to # 2,203,571"So yes Lord, please take that awesome discernment you poured into my spirit to the next level and thank you :)"
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Vektek said: "So yes Lord, please take that awesome discernment you poured into my spirit to the next level and thank you :)"
Your arrogance is astonishing, especially in light of what we've seen of your discernment on here, or total lack thereof.
Ed said: Coming from a fanatical cessationist with a strong delusion :).
Rainy says: I am not a cessationist at all and I even agree with Vektek! Just go back and read your post to me asking me to describe my discernment experience. If you don't think that is arrogance and a put down, then I don't know what to think of you. I don't look to you as a standard for my discernment experiences so stop trying to give me your standard and expect me to try to live up to that. There is no evidence in the Bible that what you described is what discernment experiences are all about. There is no evidence that the Holy Spirit deals with all of us like that, Ed. We also get much discernment from the Bible, Ed, and not a one time experience as you described. The Holy Spirit can give us amazing discernment for different situations as well. I feel many of us who post here have more discernment than you do. We all seek the Lord too. You do not have a special in with God that I would seek after. I seek Him for myself. Most of us grow in discernment as we study the Word and seek the Lord. Sometimes we do have an experience for situations.
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