Hi Mj,
You mentioned you "tried high dose c." The important question is: How much and for how long?
If you are interested, you may care to consider this: Dosage is the key! As an example, if a doctor prescribed a dose of antibiotic to a patient, it would come with both an amount and frequency of dosage. Hypothetically, if that patient decided to cut that prescribed antibiotic dosage in half, and/or ingest it at one-half the prescribed frequency, and then did not get the results expected, could we really/honestly say that they tried the antibiotic out, and it did not work? And so it is with ascorbic acid. Dr. Robert Cathcart, M.D., wrote that he did not see significant results in his patients until they approached Bowel Tolerance: "The clinical symptoms of...diseases and other conditions...are markedly ameliorated only as bowel tolerance dose levels (the amount that almost, but not quite, causes diarrhea) are approached."
And this similarly from Dr. Thomas E. Levy, M.D.: "The three most important considerations in effective vitamin C therapy are 'Dose, Dose, and Dose.' If you don't take enough, you won't get the desired effects. Period!...you will rarely ever fail to observe a dramatic response...IF you take a large enough dose for a long enough time."
Just trying to help, Mj.
Best wishes,
David
Hi Mj,
Depending upon your overall GI tract health, i.e. "strength," you may need to start slowly with the ascorbic acid and/or add more sodium bicarbonate. From my view, I do believe your overall health would be very well-served by persevering with ascorbate intake [in as high of doses as you are comfortable with]. It is a very powerful internal cleanser/detoxifier, and that is one of the reasons it works!
As just one example, Mj, I myself have gradually "worked up" from an initial Bowel Tolerance daily dose of ascorbic acid [20 years ago], in the 10 to 15 grams per day range, to my current intake of 75+ grams per day [on average], all the while in excellent health.
It is not possible for anyone [your doctor(s) included] to predict just how long it will take to regain your [overall] health, Mj, but I would think with perseverance and consistency, you should see some positive improvements within a few weeks [at most], if you are able to ingest enough, e.g. a Bowel Tolerance dose daily [in as many divided doses as is practicable]. See Dr. Cathcart's article [if you like] for more information http://vitamincfoundation.org/www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm.
All just "grist for your [health] mill," Mj.
Best wishes,
David
Hi Hanna,
Wow, I have never heard/read of that [before]! I wonder why/how ascorbic acid would give you hemorrhoids, and sodium ascorbate would not?
Best wishes,
David
At that time I thought it must be too acidic and changed to buffered C and that solved the problem. I have used the sodium ascorbate before so I bought it again.
Edit: I remember now I got my information from Owen, he was a very active poster. Check under Nutrition the last paragraphs under Vitamin C. He got his info from Dr.Levy.
http://owen.curezone.com/healing/healingindex.html
http://owen.curezone.com/healing/healingindex.html
Hi Hanna,
Thank you for your reply.
As "grist for your [health] mill," the following two quotes from Dr. Robert Cathcart, M.D., the man with more experience "prescribing" daily Bowel Tolerance doses of ascorbic acid to patients than any other in history [over 30,000 in a 35 year career], may be of interest:
"...the dramatic effects are always with ascorbic acid orally and sodium ascorbate intravenously. I have not been able to achieve the ascorbate effect with mineral ascorbates orally. Mineral ascorbates are fine forms of vitamin C, but when you are really sick, the mitochondria are failing in their refueling of the free radical scavengers with electrons. The ascorbic acid carries 2 extra electrons per molecule, where the mineral ascorbates seem to carry only one (plus, per molecule, the mineral ascorbates are heavier due to the mineral weighing more than the hydrogen the mineral replaces. So the mineral ascorbates are not potent enough to accomplish the ascorbate effect. There may be other reasons that we do not appreciate additionally."
"I have found that vitamin C in the ascorbic acid form is the best form to take orally. I have been able to achieve, what I call the ascorbate effect, with only ascorbic acid by mouth. Mineral ascorbates by mouth, while being a fine source of vitamin C, do not seem to carry the same punch, probably more electrons." [all emphasis mine]
Just trying to help.
Best regards,
David
Hi Hanna,
I will admit that it takes a [very] strong, i.e. healthy, GI tract to be able to ingest all of one's ascorbate in the hydrogen, i.e. acid, form, but with patience and perseverance, I do believe that strong/healthy GI tract is obtainable [as in my case], and is definitely desirable [health-wise].
Just trying to be of assistance.
Best wishes,
David
Hi Hanna,
You are most welcome!
All just "grist for your [health] mill."
Good health to us both,
David