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Re: Question and challenge Esstee
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Killing the microbes inside the glass vessel by running microcurrents isn't quite the same as killing them in our body. You can destroy most life forms with DC, depending on the potential and current being applied as their membranes absorb more fluid than their cells can hold. Cell water pump is based on sodium/potassium ions and their imbalance will cause either absorbing or expelling fluids what may result in irreversible damage. When running such test in vitro, we're not concerned about any particular organism and our feedback is solely a clean tank and dead organisms. Same can be achieved by adding a teaspoon of Colloidal Silver . Inside our body we also have cells which should not be harmed in the process - our own. There is also a risk of "overdoing" where our body can't get rid of "debris" fast enough - known as Herxheimer Effect and we may end up feeling worst than before treatment.
I've built blood electrifiers (among the other electronic medicine devices) and tested them but they all had modulated output, which means no DC - just as B.Beck did. While they do work, I don't consider them as a universal panacea for every ailment. I'm more in favor of restoring natural equilibrium by recharging our cells back to their healthy level so the can maintain their functions, including their defenses which is our immune system. I do believe that most illnesses are caused by pathogens throwing our system off balance and corrupting natural immune functions. I also believe (based on my research) that we were indeed designed to remain immune to the most common pathogens and capable of living in good health (despite combined efforts by various "bodies" to make us sicker and drug dependent).
I focused on using broad range of oscillations which can target and "recharge" all body cells simultaneously by using their capacitive, rather than conductive properties. What it means is that cells (our entire body) are exposed to electrostatic field covering their natural oscillatory rates and boosting their cellular potential. In very simplified terms it can be compared to charging a battery without its terminals being connected - no current flow, just potential. I have some very promising results, including the growth on the chest of my dog being reduced by 50% in 3 weeks. This technology isn't new and it was tried/tested and proved effective in hospital trials, back in '20. Yes, I'm talking about George Lakhovsky Multi Wave Oscillator, as some might guessed already.
I apologize for lengthy post and maybe stating the obvious.
In good health
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- Re: Question and challenge Tizona
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This is a reply to # 2,111,789Very interesting!
I've seen these devices around the Internet, including a few for sale. But I've always been very suspicious as often it seems the creator of these devices didn't necessarily understand exactly what the hell they were doing.
Did you make The Multi-wave oscillator Yourself?
http://users.skynet.be/Lakhovsky/
- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,111,794Hello Tizona,
The link which you have embedded in your post is an excellent source of information since these guys have access to the original devices and they're very competent in this field. Beside reading Lakhovsky books I also bought their ebooks and that was an excellent investment as well as learning experience.
Yes, I have build one and I'm currently working on second version, closer to the original. My previous prototype employed bi polar coil, which I consider a "true" Tesla gift.
Creator of the original - George Lakhovsky had very good idea how his device will work and it amazes me how could he possibly figure this out almost 90 years ago.
His invention isn't a hoax but some interpretations might be wrong and this also applies to other brilliant discoveries.
Where the money talks even bovine excrement may start walking.
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This is a reply to # 2,111,810How much did it cost you to make the device?
what type of affects has it had on you personally?- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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This is a reply to # 2,111,822The first prototype has been made with approx. $600 budget, including plate antennas which were $120 each. I have a YT channel under the same name with MWO in it. We also launched our forum - nvtronics.org dedicated to electronic healing technologies. This isn't commercial site but educational interactive platform to share and exchange ideas.
After each 15-20min session I experienced energizing effect, similar to having good strong coffee. My sleep pattern was also improved and couple times I woke up couple hours earlier than usual, totally rested, despite having only 4 hrs sleep. Similar feedback was also obtained from 2 other people who used my device.Advertisement
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- Re: Question and challenge Tizona
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This is a reply to # 2,111,969I must admit I am intrigued by this
Here's a question - as I understand it the MWO doesn't necessarily "kill" any pathogens, rather it helps the body's cells to vibrate at a healthy frequency
What I don't understand is this: how do we know that the frequency the MWO is emitting is in fact a healthy frequency for the human body? what frequency does your machine produce? How do we know that frequency shouldn't be much higher or much lower?- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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This is a reply to # 2,112,051The original coils were tuned to 880 and 870kHz and that's exactly what I'm doing with my third device. The first, based on single bipolar coil has been tuned to 1MHz. There are also harmonics created due to the spark gap interrupter. Antennas consists of 12 rings and were designed according to PHI ratio so they're similar to log periodic antennas. Each ring has its own resonant frequency and represents an oscillator. Once the coil is activated it also triggers all the oscillators.
Tuning is done by means of variable spark gap as well as input voltage. Lakhovsky machines had tubular antennas in the shape of concentric rings of different diameter and different diameter of tubing. Some antennas were made with aluminum and some were multimetal. Their rings were also tuned to the musical notes. Human cells have oscillatory rates between 1-10MHz. MWO generates oscillations and harmonics from just under 1MHz up to 1GHz, covering the entire range. I have more details and links to the Lakhovsky's books and results on my forum. I'm also in touch with group of scientists who had a chance to examine, study and reverse engineer the original device. Lahovsky books were published in French but there are couple available in English. He didn't fully disclosed everything in his patent. Beside the two antennas, either tubular or plate it is also possible to use hand held probe, grounded foot plate (Earth ground)and Phanotron, helium filled plasma tube - same which was used with Rife device.
I've been working in the field of Electronic Medicine since early '80 (with some breaks) and this is one of the most fascinating devices I've ever come across during this time.
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This is a reply to # 2,112,076thanks so much for explaining this!
Question: "Human cells have oscillatory rates between 1-10MHz" - where did you get this information from?- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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This is a reply to # 2,112,266You're very welcome Tizona.
I found this either in Robert O Becker (Body Electric) or one of Lahovsky's books. I will try to find exact source and will let you know. Those oscillatory rates are of individual cells and to to be confused with frequencies characteristic to the organs, as they are in much lower range (50-85Hz).- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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- Re: Question and challenge Tizona
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it does sound very intriguing
However, I can find no evidence anywhere that individual cells have an oscillatory rate between 1 MHz and 10 MHz. Of course the fact I can't find any evidence doesn't disprove it naturally. But the complete lack of evidence leads me to be skeptical on that specific claim.
From my perspective it seems like an explanation as to why the MWO might be beneficial would be grounded in the electrical potential of the individual cells. That is something that we actually have scientific evidence of, i.e. that individual cells have electrical potential and the higher the potential is the healthier the cell is.
And I think claiming MWO might raise The electrical potential of your individual cells is certainly a possibility. anyway that's how I see it but I don't claim to be an expert on It or anything
ALSO: it seems like "nvtronics.org" is not active or does not respond?- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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This is a reply to # 2,112,686Sorry about the site. Our server host did something and it was down couple times earlier.
I'm still looking in my files for references regarding those frequencies.
Everything around and beyond is oscillating/vibrating and our cells, organs are not excluded. Living cells can emit and receive EM radiations at their own frequencies, possibly to a helix of DNA. Strength of these oscillation as well as cell potential can be weakened (corrupted) due to the presence of pathogens. Cells may start to oscillate on different, lower frequencies and form neoplasts which can start to grow out of control. This entire system has to maintain an equilibrium in order to function properly. Once is disturbed and thrown off balance it becomes ill and it may get destroyed if such balance isn't restored. Oscillating cannot vibrate without induction of radiant energy and this is naturally provided by the environment we live in, including gravity, magnetism and electric charge which are interconnected.
Raising potential can be achieved by galvanic - direct application of microcurrents, inductive - pulsed magnetic field and electrostatic, where the living organism is placed in the field as a capacitor. All matter has its characteristic oscillatory rates (resonant frequency) and "charging" or raising potential is most efficient where we can tune to those frequencies rather than crank the "volume" up.
Using resonant (sympathetic resonant rates) we can access every cell, regardless how deep is embedded in our body. They're a tiny transmitters/receiver capable of handling very subtle signals. That's the way they communicate, coordinate and support the tissue and an organism they are part of it.
"The life is a harmony of vibration" - as George said and he wasn't alone making such statement (Nikola Tesla). I fully agree as I have witnessed that during my research as well. I don't want to make a lengthy post here, just address your question. I'm gradually providing more info in my forum as I continue to work and experiment on MWO and couple other projects in parallel - Primeval Code is one of them.
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- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,112,266Hulda Clark knew this also which is one reason that she selected the 555 timers. The 555 generally produces very little signal above 1 MHz.
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- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,111,789>- Killing the microbes inside the glass vessel by running microcurrents isn't quite the same as killing them in our body.
Yes, I have said this for many years. However, if a zapper can't kill microbes in a jar of water, how could you expect it to do so in the body or anywhere else?
>- You can destroy most life forms with DC, depending on the potential and current being applied as their membranes absorb more fluid than their cells can hold. Cell water pump is based on sodium/potassium ions and their imbalance will cause either absorbing or expelling fluids what may result in irreversible damage.
Thanks for reminding me of physiology 101. The point to the simple study is that the DC did not kill all microbes while the PEF ( Pulsed Electric Fields ) did so thoroughly. It did a good job of highlighting the difference in technology.
>- Same can be achieved by adding a teaspoon of Colloidal Silver .
Sorry, I have done this test and it took days to clear the water. Iodine works much faster.
>- There is also a risk of "overdoing" where our body can't get rid of "debris" fast enough - known as Herxheimer Effect and we may end up feeling worst than before treatment.
Good point, I have had Herx on a couple of occasions. It was not the result of killing too much. It was the result of having too many toxin producing organisms present to be killed. The problem comes from incomplete kill which causes repetitive herx. The greater risk is in under-doing. Feeling worse is not the problem if you successfully remove the causing agent. You can get over feeling worse in a few hours if the problem is solved.
>- I've built blood electrifiers (among the other electronic medicine devices) and tested them but they all had modulated output, which means no DC -
The Clark Zapper by definition, has a slight DC offset component. Also, I doubt that you have built or tried anything like the devices that I am working with.
>- I'm more in favor of restoring natural equilibrium by recharging our cells back to their healthy level so the can maintain their functions, including their defenses which is our immune system.
Me too. When and if used for health purposes, the zapper is nothing more than a tool to kill microbes.
>- I do believe that most illnesses are caused by pathogens throwing our system off balance and corrupting natural immune functions
Yes, I agree.
>- George Lakhovsky Multi Wave Oscillator,
Yes, the MWO is a good tool, but sorry, when I have an abscessed tooth or other septic condition, I am going to reach for the tool that will work fastest and most completely.
>- the growth on the chest of my dog being reduced by 50% in 3 weeks.
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- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,111,789>- George Lakhovsky Multi Wave Oscillator,
I am anxious to hear results. Did you find a couple jars full of pond water yet? Be sure to take good photos so we can see the results.
As I said, if it can not kill microbes in a jar of water, just how good could it be in a a more difficult usage?
- Re: Question and challenge Tizona
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This is a reply to # 2,112,260the multi-wave oscillator doesn't work by killing pathogens therefore it would not really be appropriate for this type of test
- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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This is a reply to # 2,112,260It seems that you're not familiar with MWO which doesn't kill anything, neither in a jar, pond or our body. PEMF devices work by inducing currents in body tissue. MWO uses electrostatic (potential without current) field of wide range frequencies, so it utilizes capacitive rather than conductive properties of our cells and raises their potential back to the level where they can perform and protect themselves. Corrupted cells have potentials in range of 0.7V and while healthy ones have nearly double that. Their oscillatory rates also differ.
Healing and curing is not just about killing microbes in a jar of water.
As for the results - they're very encouraging.- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,112,281>_ MWO which doesn't kill anything
Are you sure of that? Just because an authority states such does not mean that they are correct. If you tune the MWO to 434 kHz and concentrate the waves on a specimen at high enough strength, it still will do nothing? I do not buy it. While MWO of the right frequencies can improve many cellular functions, the wrong frequency can do serious damage. Read "Cross Currents" by Dr. Robert O. Becker.
Do not ever set a frequency of 7.032 Hz and aim it at the liver.
>- MWO uses electrostatic (potential without current) field of wide range frequencies
Do not deceive yourself. Ohm's Law requires that where there is a difference of potential, current must flow based on resistance, or impedance where capacitive or inductive fields are concerned.
>- Healing and curing is not just about killing microbes in a jar of water.
I am well aware of this and have written such in the past. My point is that there is a possibility that the MWO may be doing more than what it is proposed to do. If no one has done this test, how would you know. You would remain uninformed and unenlightened in respect to that particular question.
To thoroughly know your subject, you must view it from all angles and aspects.
To state that the MWO only works in such a fashion appears to be as dogmatic as the medical profession stating that you can not get flukes in the US.
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- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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This is a reply to # 2,112,392What "authority" you're referring to? I hope not medical associations or any other "regulatory body" as I don't consider them an authorities but rather a "drug dealers". I follow the original invention, the purpose it has been designed for, documented hospital trials and papers as well as by exchanging feedback with people who have the original device and are capable of testing it, by means far more advanced than multimeter and a scope. I speak from the practical, not theoretical EE experience. When I first heard about pulsed red light therapy, my reaction was quite similar - "I don't buy it". At that time (30 years ago) I've been working with conventional medical equipment. I changed my approach a few years later when I saw such device being used in military hospital. Finally, I "bought it" when I saw an evidence of greatly accelerated post surgical wound healing and I was able to heal my own eye after having an accidental injury. Before, I couldn't read the road signs from 30yd distance. I don't dismiss possibility that MWO can do more than we currently know and understand. There is also a possibility that there are non Hertzian waves being emitted as well (I'm talking about the scalar or longitudinal component). If you'd take time and read George books - Waves that Heal, Radiations and Waves, Secret Of Life, La Peau, Filtre De Sante, as well as Healing Energies of Heat And Light by Dr McGee, Walter Kilner's - Human Atmosphere, Robert O Becker, Paul Foster Case - Correlations Of Sound And Color, Tesla's - On Light And Other High Frequency Phenomena and his writing on Electrotherapy, Kovrich - Electrotherapy and finally, browse some patents from late 1800' related to the Electroculture, this entire subject may become much clearer and less confusing.
I have no intentions to disrupt your business and wish you well. Since your device has been proven as working and doing its job, that's great.
As for your doubts to what I've done or built during the past 40 years: I'll leave you in doubtful and curious state of mind. I'm not here to prove/disprove or sell anything to anybody but I know and understand the true meaning of Hippocrates Oath.- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,112,458By authority, I was referring to any authority whether the AMA, FDA, Lakhovsky, Becker, Beck, or any other Authority. Each and everyone presents their viewpoint from their own frame of reference. No one but the creator of life can possibly be perfect.
>- non Hertzian waves
Bull. The only way for a wave to b non Hertzian is for time to stop because by definition, Hertz is the function of variation in reference to time, therefore it can not be non-Hertzian unless there is either no variation or no time.
>- f you'd take time
I have taken much more time than you think. Re my previous comment. In addition to Tesla, include Einstein and Hawking.
>- no intentions to disrupt your business and wish you well.
Appreciated, but that is not of importance other than the fact that I am making certain that the public has access to technology that other wish to deny. I make more money working as a design engineer and programmer.
- Re: Question and challenge blackchisel97
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In case of any discovery I follow the inventor (discoverer) not people who have no clue what they're talking about but have an urge to say something.
No comment on "Official Authorities".
I was referring to the scalar component but this isn't something you'll find in EE books and of course you're entitled to have your own opinion in that matter.
Many brilliant people have been wrong and still are but only few were able to admit it.
I just hope that MWO could be given back for the benefit of people for the second time. What I proposed was based on my study and experiments done in collaboration and feedback form other independent research groups. I have no intentions to convince anyone or promote anything.
- Re: Question and challenge homer38
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This is a reply to # 2,112,796Hi Parazapper,
I'm interested in your new research, I would like to try the zapper you are talking about for my own research, could you pls message me with its details.- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,117,602The details of our zappers are available at http://huldaclarkparazapper.com
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Our newest models are the CC2, the UZI-3, and the MY.
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- Re: Question and challenge parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,112,796Agreed, We have the right to choose our own path for health and healing and suppression of things such as Rife, Lakhovsky, Crane, Clark, and others is only for the intentional profiteering of the pharmaceutical industry and is a wrongful deprivation of the rights of the citizens.
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- Re: Question and challenge SirRyasis
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This is a reply to # 2,112,392Hi Guys...this is a fascinating experiment that is being discussed. I can only assume that one or more of you know the ins and outs of magnetic pulsing, so if anyone could answer these basic questions that I posted here, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks!
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This is a reply to # 2,112,260George Lakhovsky Multi Wave Oscillator does not work by killing parasites. It works by strengthening the weak cells of the body and body is then able to fight the problems on it's on.
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