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I have been reading two of Dr Wilsons articles that are not directly linked from his website. I personally find them deeply disturbing, and I personally would be concerned over taking advice from him on ones health. We all know he is a bit of a crackpot with his sardines in metal cans and forms of meditation other than Roy Masters can damage you...but things just got a lot darker.
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/RAPE.htm
I find a lot of comments in this absolutely appalling, degrading to woman (and men) and highly offensive.
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/MASTURBATION.htm
There are some mad comments on masturbation, fine and some almost comical (a hamburger a day for three months in repayment for the deed), but the comments on woman and rape are absolutely terrible.
"A rape or some other trauma can lead to masturbation in girls, as can too much emphasis on sex, sexy clothes, sexy talk, doing your hair and so on. This can also happen to boys and men, but it is much less commonly the cause."
Maybe its the way I have been brought up (no I am not religious nor am I silver spooned - I grew up on a council estate) so i'll let you make you own minds up and would love to hear other thoughts, but I think people like this are quite dangerous. It really saddens me.
We all know Wilsons ideas about AF and NB are largely based on theory, so if this is how his mind works, then how can you trust a protocol he designs!
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,092,634These articles make me think that he was probably sexually abused at some time.
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This is a reply to # 2,092,634I agree that a lot of his views on politics, women and other non-health related issues are offensive.
But if you were a fundamental Baptist, would you only get treatment from a Fundamental Baptist.
If you had liberal political views, and the best heart surgeon available in your area was a right wing conservative, would you avoid them?
I really wish he would keep personal views off his site. for those that don't share his views, it does indeed reduce the likelihood that people will try NB.
Despite what I said above...I first found his site in 2004, and stayed away from NB because of some of the things he says.
It was only after seeing the success of Laredo with copper detox and other seeing improvements on NB when nothing else helped them. Reading Ann-Louse Giddlemans book sealed the deal for me.
So I have put aside my disagreement with his views for the sake of my health. If you want to remove copper and other toxins that accumulate from years of stress....he has the most experience.
I can see in my hair analysis happening exactly what is supposed to happen.
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This is a reply to # 2,092,646I do see your point Feo, but not being a believer of NB
(heard WAY to many stories of people making very little improvement in their health over many many years and actually getting worse) I do find a lot of it completely witchcraft in wilsons mind. There are some topics and ideas that test my calmness, and Wilson has definitely done that today :)
Copper toxicity,along with mercury and aluminium have been around as ideas for a long time before him, and others practice detox protocols as well.
But hey ho, if it works for you then awesome, but I could never trust someone with my health who has opinions and thoughts like this - I understand yes that that right wing heart surgeon might also have the same, but airing these thoughts and opinions in public,even writing papers on it, while being seen as a responsible figure helping sick people, it makes me wonder what type of person he really is.- Re: Dr Wilsons Hidden Articles - Dis... feo66
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This is a reply to # 2,092,651I guess once I determined copper toxicity is a big factor for me, who currently has the most experience in dealing with it?
I did not want to go as fast as Laredo....or go it alone.
It is always more comforting to work with people who have similar views as we do on politics, religion, etc.
No question that we warm up faster to a co-worker if we can both complain about how much of an idiot the current leader of our country is. But if the other guy voted for him... you just won't bond with that person as well.
But I think it is important to separate technical skills one has doing their job....from their views on life.
I tend to have liberal views, which fit in nicely where I live.
If I were to work in deep south US....I'm sure they would view me as a left wing pinko commie nazi tree hugger drain on the wealthy :).....but I would be just as good at my job.
That is why it is usually wise to keep your views to
yourself when dealing with clients, co-workers, your boss. You are bound to piss off someone.
In some parts of the world....many of Larry Wilsons views would seem normal, and we would seem crazy for not agreeing with them.
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This is a reply to # 2,092,667I understand what you are saying Feo, but its not that these are his life views, they are also his technical views as he prints them on his website and ties in his NB balancing into all of them. I dare to say he actually thinks woman get raped because they dont eat enough eggs.
I do agree, sharing thoughts about the world is a dangerous subject, it inevitably will result in confrontation. I learnt that the hard way with my previous job, I am fairly liberal, but working for an uber left wing organisation, I was deemed as Satan at times! Causes nothing but frustration and misery.
However I think if Bin Laden, or John Wayne Gacy said they could help me with my medical problems, I would probably decline, based on the fact that should be deemed clinically insane, very much like Wilson. I wonder if there are any unsolved murders in Wilsons area? Id put a hundred bucks on that he is a serial killer!
Im sorry Theo, anyone that comes up with a statement like this
'Fear of splitting. This is a subtle effect of sexua| intercourse that most women notice. Sex makes them more yin because it “splits” their bodies in two halves. This is hard to describe, but is true'
I just cannot trust to put pills inside my body based on a 'theory'!
But each to their own, I hope you dont end up splitting from the copper! :)
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This is a reply to # 2,092,634Yeah.. your right.. and these aren't the only weird articles out there.
NB was actually created by Paul Eck, who has some wonderful, brilliant writings. I still do not know what to think about Dr. Wilson, many of his AF articles spell things out really nicely and written simply which I appreciate, but all the information/theories should probably be double checked elsewhere.- Re: Dr Wilsons Hidden Articles - Dis... 155216
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This is a reply to # 2,092,647I have been told about Ecks wierd and wonderful writings! Ive yet to read any though, I just stumbled across these today.
Scary scary world we live in. But as Feo said, the person operating on you could have equally as extreme opinions, and that brings up the thought patterns that if say, the surgeon was a massive homophobe, and the person he was operating on was gay, would his level of care be the same? I hope and imagine it would be, but when someone actually writes papers as extreme as this , it takes it to a new level - are we safe in trusting anyone?
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This is a reply to # 2,092,634Yeah, wow, some pretty weird stuff. Some of it is just ridiculous and there is some pretty terrible stuff too.
I found the section called OTHER WAYS SOME WOMEN CAN PROVOKE OR INVITE A RAPE quite offensive.
This one seems particularly ridiculous to me:
"7. Disrobing anywhere, for any reason. Many attractive young women love their bodies, often because they are adored for them. They often become distracted just a little when they undress, or even just change their clothes. When young women change their clothes, they often focus on how lovely they are, rather than whether they remembered to lock the door tightly and to check to see if anyone followed them. In this way, they take chances. Some also like show off a little skin, just a little, you know – for fun and excitement - and to make the penises rise a bit. This is always unwise."
I just feel so terrible for these poor young women that are so distracted by their own hotness that they can't even change their clothes without just becoming completely brain-dead hypnotized by their own beauty that they can't even check to see if they locked the door. Jeez, what happens when they take a shower? Seriously, this guy has issues and his view of male and female sexuality is very twisted.
I have been moderately annoyed by Dr. Wilson for a while now, but after reading this stuff, I really think he is a bit of an idiot. - Re: Dr Wilsons Hidden Articles - Dis... Faith110
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This is a reply to # 2,092,634No sexy boys or bikinis for me...I certainly don't want to guarantee a rape! Now it's back to stuffing my face with hamburgers. My three month atonement for masturbating the other day :)
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This is a reply to # 2,092,961Do you masturbate because you 'Fear the Rod' Shannon? and have a fear of 'splitting'
'Fear of splitting. This is a subtle effect of sexua| intercourse that most women notice. Sex makes them more yin because it “splits” their bodies in two halves. This is hard to describe, but is true'
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/WOMEN-MALE%20FEARS.htm
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This is a reply to # 2,093,116http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/SERVICE-BASIC.htm
· If you follow ‘friends’ who smoke dope, or drink alcohol and carouse, you will not get far, and will probably die young, poor and raped.
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/SEXUAL%20ORDER.htm
"Women attract entities to themselves that lodge in the vagina and distract them"
"This happens to all women regardless of age or sexua| activity. This does not happen to men which is why their judgment is better"
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You have made your point. And I completely understand.
I first stumbled on Wilsons site in 2005, but stayed away from NB because of the stuff on his site.
Turns out that was my loss. Because symptoms I have had since before I crashed in 2003 are continue to go away since I have started NB. I could have started getting better 7 years earlier.
Marie64 is planning on going back to work this fall after 8-years of being unable to work.
Indianagirl was able to get back to work because of NB.
I know what you are doing, because I have done it here too. If we have decided that a treatment is not valid, we need to reinforce that decision so we feel we are doing what is right.
I recently did this with ARL vs TEI. Some folks who switched to TEI were bashing ARL ... so to my ego, that meant I was making the wrong decision sticking with ARL, so I got a little defensive.
I was enjoying pointing out where TEI was wrong..... until I caught myself doing it and backed off.
That is basically what Natway was doing. He decided that AF didn't exist, and would fight to the death to back up his belief. Because any post indicating adrenal fatigue existed was basically saying he is wrong, and that he wasn’t following the right path.
Hate to say it... but you are treading in Natway territory. You have decided not to participate in NB.
So why are you looking through Wilson’s site? Because it makes you feel better about your decision?
It seems like your time would be better spent researching the path you have decided to take..... instead of researching the path you have decided NOT to take.
Ever since Laredo showed us all how important copper was, many people have focused on metals, and many people are improving when nothing else worked.
Sure the detox symptoms are tough. The lady I am working with told me at the beginning that I will get worse before I get better.
Some people do not understand that and only think the program is making them worse. There is no gentle way to get the metals out.
It is an odd mix of symptoms going away and some symptoms getting worse (for a while). Right now, insomnia is brutal. But I can see why, metals are getting higher and higher in my hair as they come out.
But I am sweating for the 1st time in 10-yrs, and it because my sodium is finally higher as shown on my hair. So nice to not to have heat intolerance.
Here are a couple of post showing some of my positive results
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2080835#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2073992#i
And I am not a NB shill. I have been around for a lot of years. I know I have posted a couple of years ago even the coffee enemas are crazy.....yet here I am doing 4 per day now. :)So just let it go man. There is no need to try to make people question their path just because it is not your path.
I hope whatever you are trying works for you. Try to hope the same for others.
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This is a reply to # 2,093,278Fair point Feo, well made.
Its easy to become absorbed in a subject, a person that has worrying undertones to a belief structure, especially when they are treating peoples health. I guess I've always had an interest in the weird and wonderful, the insane and deranged hence the continuation of my reading, little to do with researching paths so to speak, more interest, but alarm bells ring over certain things.
I didn't post it on the NB forum purposefully as not to directly offend any doing NB. This isn't an attack on NB, more that people should be extremely weary of Wilson, and I do stand to that opinion.
Comparing me to Natway though? Really? Thats a low blow!..I'll put it down to the copper.
For a handful of people getting well, there are a lot not getting well and who got a lot worse, horses for courses as with anything. I guess if there was an affirmative correct treatment structure, then none of us would actually be here! :)
But you are right, maybe one day I might end up turning to NB if all else fails, hopefully that wont happen, I guess only time will tell.
Peace
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This is a reply to # 2,093,278Hi Feo ,
Your mention of Marie64 is actually me ~ maria41 :)
No worries, our names are similar .
While your info about me returning to work after 8 yrs is correct, my recovery has not been because of Wilson-ARL. I switched to Rick Malter/Tei in June of this year..
Thanks
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This is a reply to # 2,092,634
There are certainly some questionable points of view in his articles but also many ideas that i found usefull for understanding how a body can become ill. I'm not following any NB practices I'm not yet totally convinced and its too expensive for a "try and see" experience.
I all the time try to read "behind" the words if they are not related to my experience or seemed to me too radical.
My best approach is try to expand the sense of the word...
Re- RAPE article or Masturbation I think a better word he could find for that is TRAUMA and ABUSE in any kind when you were a child. And you might be surprised how many ways of abusing are...verbally emotional phisically...Not saying the articles are 100% true but you can find some good stuff if you digg...
IMO also (as feo - probably close age we have) your "education" and experience will influence a lot your views regarding aspect of life right? see traditions, religion, familly, etc and dr.Wilson (like anyone of us) is no exception. The best way in a practitioner we expect is he/she is free of missconceptions etc but they are humans too...
And I also have to admit that I'm delighted when i found a practitioner who shares valuable and logical explanations but I rarely found that...
My first concern when discussing or meeting one of them is IS HE REALLY ABLE TECHNICALLY TO UNDERSTAND AND THEN HELP ME WITH MY PROBLEM?
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This is a reply to # 2,093,247Very true Dave, it is very important to determine whether the person one is entrusting their health to has the knowledge and sound mindedness to handle one's situation. I believe that is the point Mikey is trying to make. Paul Eck was undoubtably a brilliant man who know alot of things about the inner workings of the body.
Which brings me to my next point. Wilson was trained by Eck so yes, he is very knowledgeable and educated on the subject, but his incessant ramblings about politics, religion, and personal lifestyle choices (aside from anything having to do with nutrition and healing) are highly inappropriate and makes one really question whether or not they should trust their health to someone with such a perception of the world.
Feo- Mikey is not attacking NB. He is simply bringing to light the babblings of a clearly distorted man who many are entrusting their health to. I have had my own personal experience with Wilson- I worked with him on an NB program last year that landed me in the hospital due to the excessive coffee enemas and saunas. Yes at the end of the day my own health was my responsibility but this was a person that I trusted to guide me properly. He then proceeded to accuse me of "doing it wrong" and called me "incomprehensive". After reading the articles that Mikey posted I have no doubt that had I been a man he probably would have responded differently to me because according to him "men have more sense".
I am also preparing to return to work myself in the very near future, and have gotten this far using no supplements, medications, and a diet that is practically opposite of NB. In half the time that NB supposedly takes to "start working". Not saying it doesn't work...I'm very happy for everyone that is seeing benefits from it. After all the point is that we all heal, no matter what we have to do to get there.
Personally I am glad to not be lining the pockets of a chauvanistic crackpot who claims that I'm going to get raped if I wear a bikini, and that I'd better find the right man to lead me because I've got no sense.
And about Natway...his approach was wrong, but getting upset over his claims that AF does not exist would mean that one would have doubt within themselves about the validity of the condition as well. Just as anyone getting upset over a person discrediting NB would also have doubt in their minds as to the effectiveness of the program themselves. When you truly believe in something, there is nothing in the world that can shake your faith or peace in the subject. You know what's right and it doesn't matter what anyone says- if you truly have no doubt about it.
And Natway was actually right about the whole calorie and metabolism thing. I'll give him that.
Just my two cents. Peace and Love and Healing to all...however you've got to get there! :)- Re: Dr Wilsons Hidden Articles - Dis... feo66
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This is a reply to # 2,093,303Glad to hear you are also good enough to be able to return to work.
I have heard the Wilson can be a bit of a D*&k in conversation. Not very nice to accuse someone that it is their fault.
I guess he has that in common with Dr Lam... he does that all the time.
I am sure their egos make is hard to admit there are flaws in their program.
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This is a reply to # 2,093,319Yeah he was a total jerk to me! I was very disheartened. Even gave NB another try with another practitioner a few months later. Still got gutted, and this time majorly ripped off. So I read between the lines and took it as a sign of the program not being meant for me.
I never wanted to give Lam the small fortune for the initial consultation so I've never had the pleasure...but I've heard the horror stories from the other poor souls who got subjected to his "bedside manner"
Diet wise I'm working with Matt Stone's program over at 180 degree health. His style is very close to that of Ray Peat...all about boosting the metabolism. They theorize that once we are metabolically balanced, our body naturally takes care of detoxing heavy metals, balancing hormones, and killing infections etc on its own. I've always believed that we were created with the perfect mechanics for health within, that something just got messed up along the way, usually mostly self inflicted!
So I've been "resting and refeeding" for about 3 months now, the past 3 weeks doubling my caloric intake and watching my body temp go up and up. Along with limbic system work like EFT, meditation, and learning to ENJOY my life again and not worry and obsess so much I've made huge strides.
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This is a reply to # 2,093,327I find many flaws in NB, having tried it myself..
1. First off. You are not under the care of any MD, but simply a practitioner whom chances are you will never meet face to face. They then immediately proceed to dish out supplements based on Hair Tissue Analysis. I was bed-ridden and my hair sample looked amazing. All my minerals were damn near the target range. I then ran a salivary cortisol panel and figured out I had severe adrenal fatigue. No supplement offered was going to support my adrenals, as they were so drained. Also these "practioners" aren't legally liable for anything that they give or tell you to take.
2. HUGE Financial Incentive for NB. In upwards of $130 a month for Supplements, plus the Re-Testing fees, and consultation fees.
3. Dangerous. Putting coffee up your ass is never smart. I simply don't care what anyone says. People have died from coffee enemas.
4. Ubiquitous amount of protocols. If you go to 100 practitioners in NB, each will tell you a totally different protocol. This leads to further confusion, and for me was the reason I stopped. There is no Science behind something that lacks that much consistency. My "Practitioner" new nothing of Adrenal Fatigue.
5. Little to no success stories. How many people do we know that have healed confirmed AF in a bed-ridden state with NB? I believe it's got to be in the single digits.
6. Huge Political, Religious, and sexua| Bias scattered throughout Wilson's site.
All in all, NB sucks in my opinion. I am healing with Hydrocortisone, Salt, Paleo, Meditation, and Rest. I will be returning to work within the next month.- Re: Dr Wilsons Hidden Articles - Dis... SeattleK
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This is a reply to # 2,093,337I very much hope you do well with your plan, and please share your results going back to work. I know before I ever posted here I just used to read the threads and learn from them, so for those folks I just want to add a few bits of information.
5. There are quite a few people who are significantly improving by doing NB, they are over in the nutritional balancing AF forum. Its a long road, some fail, most of us have achieved some measure of improvement.
2. Yes, very good point. Many NBer's use generic supplements instead of the pricy one's from ARL. This is a significant flaw in the program.
4. Practioners are very hit and miss, unfortunately that is a huge issue across natural medicine. It is its strength and its weakness, as the lack of 'standard approaches' leaves space for creative solutions and experimentation, it also leaves space for bad ideas and quackery.
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This is a reply to # 2,092,634In case anyone gets confused because we're not distinguishing these guys, there are two relevant doctors Wilson.
There's a James Wilson who works with "Adrenal Fatigue" and there's a Lawrence Wilson who does Nutritional Balancing.
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