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This is a reply to # 2,064,751Wow, what a fanciful overly intellectualized, carnal, lying religion of man interpretation of this beautiful parable! : ). Oh Holy Spirit, how desperately we need you to teach us! No man taught me the true interpretation of this parable, but Holy Spirit showed me one day while i was sitting on my bed and praying, seeking the Living God, sitting in His beautiful presence wanting only to fall deeper and deeper in love with Him.
Thankfully the mainstream has this one mostly right if indeed the writer was correct in saying that the folowing was the mainstream teaching. We "sell" all of our distractions to follow the Lord Jesus. But i diverge from the mainstream in the following way. Beyond merely seeking "salvation" as our pearl that we would sell everything to buy, we seek a deeply intimate loving relationship with Him. He becomes the love of our life, the one we have on and in our hearts all day and all night with every beat of our hearts from the moment we awake to the moment we go to sleep. He leads and guides us and we want only to walk in His beautiful will.
The writer criticizes the true interpretation as a "doctrine of demons", but the true doctrine of demons says that humans do nothing and have no choice in how hard they choose to run after Jesus. I agree that the LOrd woo's us and places the desire to seek Him in our hearts, but the truth is that we have been given the free will to choose to immerse ourselves in Him or to choose to immerse ourselves in the distractions of this world and to continue not in holiness but in sin... or to even more overtly completely reject Him. God has given us free will and desires lovers to run after Him, not robots who have no say in the matter.
We are taught to take the kingdom of heaven by force, to make sure our lamps are filled with oil, to contend for our salvation with fear and trembling, to come to the Lord Jesus to drink living water, that we need to eat His body and drink His blood, to ask, seek knock, to be persistent, etc etc etc. When we run after Him with everything, only then will He immerse us in His Spirit and only then will we see the kingdom of heaven which begins within us while here on earth.
I for one have sold all of my distractions and all of my fleshly desires to buy the pearl of great price which is an in love relationship with my Lord Jesus, deeply intimate and personal, worshiping Him in my heart every second. I pray the same for everybody and there is nothing that compares. To those who don't believe we can take the kingdom of heaven by force, who don't believe we have a choice as to how hard or soft we can run after the Lord Jesus as the writer teaches falsely, i offer this challenge. Choose to run after Him with all your heart, mind, soul and strength for the next 30 days, sowing to His Spirit in 90% of your free time and see if this doesn't transform your life. Let deep prayer including stillness and silence before Him connecting your heart to His in love, praise and musical worship, gospel reading and/or watching the gospel of john in youtube with your whole heart and whole Spirit and with the intent of falling more deeply in Love with Jesus (and Father and Holy Spirit) encouraging others in love into the same and other sowing activities fill your heart as much as possible. If you really want to go all the way, fast unto Him on top of it all as the bible mentions examples of 70+ times! Much love to all and many blessings in the beautiful name of Jesus.
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This is a reply to # 2,065,443There is controversy about this parable for sure.
I agree with Vernon McGee though.
Here’s what he writes about it although he gives a longer explanation somewhere, but here's a short one:
“The popular interpretation of this parable says that the sinner is the merchantman and the pearl of great price is Christ. The sinner sells all that he has that he might buy Christ.”
“I cannot accept this interpretation, and I have dismissed it as unworthy of thoughtful consideration. To begin with, who is looking for goodly pearls? Are sinners looking for salvation? My Bible does not read that way, nor has that been my experience as a minister. Sinners are not looking for salvation. The merchantman cannot be the sinner because he has nothing with which to pay. To begin with, he is not seeking Christ, and if he were, how could he buy Him? The merchantman sells all that he has — how can a sinner sell all that he has when he is dead in trespasses and sins? Further, the Scriptures are very clear that Christ and salvation are not for sale. Salvation is a gift — Read John 3:16 — God so loved that He gave.”
“The correct interpretation of this parable reveals Christ as the merchantman. He left His heavenly home and came to this earth to find a pearl of great price. He found lost sinners and died for them by shedding His precious blood. He sold all that He had to buy us and redeem us to God. “Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,065,466If the author (in the first post) had continued reading Matthew, perhaps he would have found a better answer. It is my understanding that we can gleam from this following scripture.
Matthew 19:16-22
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
If we all still lived in the Garden of Eden along with Adam and Eve...and never had to experience the fall, things could be understood differently. However, since even Adam and Eve did not choose to let God's way be their way, we now are given the same choice to choose.... God's way, or learn for ourselves that having all knowledge and power of the world still leads us back to letting God (who is all knowing and powerful) reign in our lives....or we perish.
Just like a child who is raised with a silver spoon in his mouth and never had to endure the hardships that the world has to teach them....many are spoiled and never satisfied with their lives and go on to seek more worldly power than their parents even had.
Adam was given the privilege to walk and talk daily in the presence of the Lord. He had it all... even dominion over the earth, but wanted more. By choosing to disobey God and eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil....he chose the path to think for himself and decide for himself.....Free Will.
Only when we come to realize that there is not more to be had to bring fulfillment to our lives other than fulfillment of the Spirit of God, do we truly sacrifice the only thing we have to offer, and that is ourselves to Him. By giving up the world and all it seemly has to offer us and willingly asking God to once again let us walk in the garden with Him and with Him alone, by accepting His Son as our Savoir, do we have the Kingdom of God within us....and this Kingdom will continue for ever and ever.....amen.
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This is a reply to # 2,065,502I have to ask either of you, have you been perfect? Have you sold all the possessions that you have? It doesn't say have you gotten rid of all distractions. No, it says sold all of your possessions, that would include a car even, and whatever else.
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be PERFECT, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
If you go even farther down, you see the disciples asking who can be saved, and Jesus showing once again, that there is nothing we can do to make that happen:
Matthew 19:25
“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Salvation is of the Lord! Nothing we do is going to earn it!
But those who the Lord begins a work in, will follow Him! He began a work in the disciples, and they followed Him! But they were not perfect in that. They made many mistakes along the way.
Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
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This is a reply to # 2,065,619Dear Vektek,
I would encourage you to seek the Living God directly the same way that those who wrote books of the bible sought Him directly... in deep silent contemplative meditative time in His beautiful presence with your heart connected to his in pure worship. Religion of man today instead is much more about studying the psalms or the epistles than sitting in the holy place or even better the holy of holies, enjoying and celebrating God's beautiful presence as He lavishes us with His love. Think of David (this man after God's own heart which we can have too) and having the kind of intimate personal love relationship with God that He had which led Him to write the psalms. Instead of reading David's psalms to give you relationship with God through David's writings, how about having your own deeply intimate personal relationship with Him as David had and write your own Psalms? Forget everything man has taught you, take a break from studying the bible since your interpretations and those of the men you seem to admire the most are not Spirit given anyway which defeats the whole purpose... and makes bible study only a hindrance to being taught by the Spirit of Truth... as i am afraid is true within the majority of mainstream christianity... ruled by men trained in seminaries to study the bible as if the bible itself was God instead of cultivating beautiful intimate personal relationship with Him and to interpret these godlike bibles carnally, rather than by men who are lovers of the Lord Jesus, who sit at His feet in love with Him and learn directly from Him by His Spirit.
Think of John and Peter rather than the pharisees and their followers and seek the kind of intimate love filled relationship with the Lord Jesus that John and Peter had, not the kind that the pharisees and their followers had, believing that the scriptures gave them life when really they needed intimate relationship with the Living God to give this to them. The pharisees had the scriptures memorized, but all they had was dead religion. Please remember contrary to the popular mainstream lie that there is only so much God will do in and through an unwilling vessel. He blesses the humble (those with soft hearts before Him) but resists the proud (those with hard hearts before Him). As with the pharisees, hardened preconceived notions as to who God is, formed by false interpretations of scriptures that are treated as if they were God Himself, can keep us from having deep intimate personal relationship with the living God.
We need personal relationship with the Living God, fresh bread from heaven every day by His living voice as spoken directly into our hearts. Jesus said "come to me and drink", not "come to me through David's psalms or Paul's epistles and drink". We must learn from the mistake of the pharisees! We need to cultivate the intimate personal relationship with the living God that these other men had, not believe we get this by studying and memorizing these other men's writings. My encouragement to all is to learn directly from the Living God by sitting at His feet. If ever you decide (and yes it is a choice) to do this, it is an amazingly beautiful experience that you will never regret. If you want to read the bible, read the gospels with the specific intent of falling more deeply in Love with Jesus so that your intimate personal relationship with Him will be richer, not for the purpose of beefing up your intellect by memorizing scriptures, chapter and verse. The intellect will come without even trying through surrendering our hearts to the Living God and sitting at the feet of Jesus being taught by Him directly.
Sell all that you own to buy the pearl of great price.
The Lord showed me that this was distractions from Him which includes distractionary activities and behaviors as well as sin/flesh. Letting go of false teachings of man is a huge must as well and spoken in love i strongly believe that you have allowed yourself to become overtaken by them. These include a lot of Spirit quenching and a lot of believing that we have no part in anything, that we sit back and wait for God to do it all, that He does not include us in His work, layers of false humility ideology, etc.
I gave up the distractions and any sin and He began to flood me with His love, acceptance, holy blessings and gifts. I know i am fully His and there is no going back even though it is possible in my free will to do so. If you believe God is showing you that it is your car and your laptop and your toaster that you need to give up and not the distractions from Him, the religion of man, the doctrine of man lies, and the unforgiveness, bitterness and any other sin, i don't believe you are hearing Him right... perhaps because you are trusting and holding on to preconceived notions taught you by man and they are interfering with actually hearing His beautiful voice unobstructed.
Vektek, have you ever had a supernatural experience with God's beautiful presence coming upon you in an actual physical, tangible way, with tangible instantaneous lifting off of darkness and the tangible manifestation of His holy blessings such as peace, joy and a deepened tangible awareness of His love and your love for Him? If not, what is it about Acts chapter 2 that makes you believe you can go forward in Christ in boldness and in His fullness without this experience?
I know this is silly before i even say it, but if you would accept my help, i will be happy to pray with you over the phone that you come into an amazingly deepened love filled relationship with the Living God, filled only with His Spirit and His Truth. As one of the 5 or 10 million or so disciples of Jesus alive today, much like the original 82, many other people have been deeply blessed by such prayers and they are beginning even to make video testimonies and comments about their experiences. This offer is for anybody who is hungry and thirsty for more of the fullness that Jesus has to offer and are struggling to get there, perhaps because the enemy has them bound and they need to get broken free of the shackles. As i believe all or part of the following was true with the original 82, i also pray for and people receive instantaneous physical healing miracles, instantaneous healings of the soul, instantaneous deliverance from enemy oppression, and holy blessings including baptisms in the Holy Spirit.
I attach 2 videos testimonies of women sharing what happened when we prayed together. I have received a lot of feedback from a lot of people before and after our prayers together and if everybody who was similarly touched made a video, there would be about 300 of them just over the past 6 months.
Rebecca's testimony of our prayer together: http://youtu.be/_W_mCcA9Kcw
Robin's testimony of her husband's miraculous healing from a severe car accident when i prayed with him (this testimony is at 1:40-3:56): http://youtu.be/ioqQ9TYEvs8
Another girl i prayed with made this comment in the youtube video testimony i made about praying 200-300 healing miracles in the name of Jesus in the past 6 months:
" whyme798 3 days ago
"Bro Ed, I can not put in words how grateful i feel for the prayer meeting with you earlier today.. It def. made a positive change in my spirit, though I can not seem to find the words to explain. But yea is a lot like sis Rebecca explains it. And the Love and the new hope that I felt present and still do was from no other than God. I feel really blessed today..I been able to fight the doubt a lot more and reject despair. etc. Able to look up more. Thank God and thank you! <3 many blessings."
About 2 weeks ago a blind woman i prayed for got her sight back. This is the kind of miracle that was prayed by the disciples of the Lord Jesus 2000 years ago and nothing has changed. http://youtu.be/9pbVtiaUgzg
Much love to you Vektek and i wish you the very best.- Re: Another interpretation of this p... vektek
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This is a reply to # 2,065,694I'm sorry, I have no idea what all you said, so I can't properly answer this post. I'd much rather spend my time reading the words of David, than the words of MST. Both are men, yes, but one I'm sure was inspired by the Holy Spirit, and the other one, I'm not so sure at all.
I have an awesome, amazing, personal relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ! Thank you for the extra encouragement though! :)
Romans 10:17
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
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Perfect? I can say no..... but with God's help, I'm constantly rooting out idols in my life, that keep me from being in perfect communion with Him. A question we must ask ourselves is, what things we do have (since all good things come from above - *James 1:17*)....do we share freely to benefit the Kingdom of God and it's people? Sharing the gospel with those in need and those who will hear? Sharing our gifts and talents? Or are we keeping them all to ourselves, burying them in the ground, so to speak, because we are afraid or selfish to use our gifts to serve God with?
Some may be called to serve with only a mat in a cold, dark alley....others may serve with a warm home, or use their vehicle for transportation. Some will have businesses, others will have skills. Where ever we are in life and whatever God has blessed us with...we should use, to His glory.
God will judge the intent of the heart for each person. We must stay in tune with Him, so we will know what we need to give up or to give.
It's when I quit wanting to be perfect in Christ and think everything is a-ok, is when I need to really be concern. I would think this is the "lukewarm" that some refer to.
2 Corinthians 7:1
Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
*James 1:17* Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
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If sin still lives inside us and the work of grace is not complete within us, then we are people in constant need of divine help.
Paul David Tripp
We need Christ everyday! We need the gospel everyday! Every good work and thought and praise of our Lord stems from our great need of Him!
I long to be perfect, without this sinful, perishable flesh of mine. I think all Christians do. It is coming! God has made us this great promise:
1 Corinthians 15:52
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
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21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
Wow, without over intellectualizing it and diving into a deep theological explanation using a dozen questionably interpreted obscure scriptures to "demonstrate" what it means through carnal interpretation, Lord Jesus the Living Word of God simply interprets the parable here... and treasure in heaven is another aspect of the "pearl of great price" and we begin to enjoy part of this treasure here on earth with the kingdom of heaven being within us.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Jesus woo'd him into the fullness of what He has to offer, but in this man's free will, he was too attached to what he had and rejected this amazing offer which was far more beautiful than the man was able to begin to fathom. In the same way, most people today reject this offer including the vast majority of those within mainstream christianity. Perhaps what he rejected (and what the majority reject today) is the invitation to be one of the Lord's many disciples of which i believe there are perhaps at least 5 or 10 million today in the world, only 82 (70+12) having been mentioned at one point before the explosion, a large part of which began at pentacost when the 120 in the upper room were baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire and 3000 were saved that very day.
I believe this rejection by the rich ruler of the full identity we can have in Christ is what Revelations chapter 3 refers to as "lukewarm", the Laodician church and i also believe (know with an abundance of evidence actually) that what Lord Jesus gave to the disciples then, He has given to the disciples today and all throughout church history, His millions of disciples each being living epistles, each with amazing testimonies of His glory to tell, starting with their own baptism in the Holy Spirit story. Disciples today are walking in the authority to heal the sick and cast out demons, the identical authority the Lord had given to the original 12 and 70 and walk in many other fruits, gifts and blessings, the love of Christ pouring through their surrendered lives, peace that passes all understanding, joy unspeakable and many others.
Whether this rich ruler has salvation or not, possibly a lukewarm salvation if such a thing exists and if so, then with far fewer treasures in heaven, both now and later, he is saying no to the fullness of what Lord Jesus has for him, saying no to truly making Jesus Lord of his life, giving Jesus everything... that Jesus would in return give him everything, blessings, fruits and gifts beyond what he had ever dreamed.
Revelation 3: 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
Notice the following verse which speaks specifically to the rich ruler and to those like him who believe they have all they need today and don't want to sell it all for deeper intimacy with Jesus, the pearl of great price:
17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,
18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
All of the above comes through surrendering our lives to Him, asking Him to destroy our flesh, to refine, purify, consecrate and sanctify us... rejecting and renouncing every sin even at the thought level, repenting immediately of any sin even in our thoughts, asking Him consistently to fill us with His precious Spirit, determining to live only as led by this Spirit. When we have our acts chapter 2 baptism in the Holy Spirit experience which is available to all of us, the will to resist sin by His Spirit actually becomes possible.
19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”
This rich ruler is representative of the majority of people in the mainstream church today, genuine seekers to a limited extent, but who choose not to go all the way in Christ, all of whom could decide with their own free will to truly surrender all to Jesus, but choose not to, one reason being that they are lied to that this is not possible, that it can only happen by going about our business and waiting for God to "do it all for us", also known as eliminating our free will and forcing it upon us. We determine to seek Him, to fall more deeply in love with Him, to live holy unto Him as branches attached to the Vine and only then with our free will are we are inviting Him to envelope us in His Spirit.
The Lord's yoke is easy and his burden is light, easiest and lightest the more fully we surrender our lives to Him. “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest". "If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink". "... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood, you have no life in you". To receive the fullness of what Jesus has for us, we need to come to Him and we need to drink living water, we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood. This is not referring to a once a month metaphorical communion with a cracker and grape juice, it is something we as His disciples do every second of every day. We are immersed in Him, immersed in His love and in a love for Him. As in the example of the rich ruler, God does not interfere with our free will and force us to choose to go deeper with Him. He has given us a part in it and it is a decision that each of us ourselves must make. Will we surrender our lives fully to Him or will we not? With the free will given to us by the living God, we can choose to sell all that we own to buy the pearl of great price or to hold on to what we have and give up the pearl.- Re: Another interpretation of this p... vektek
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This is a reply to # 2,065,631You didn't answer my questions. Have you been perfect? Have you sold ALL your possessions?
And why just 90% of your free time MST? Why not 100% percent? You're slacking! :)
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You didn't answer my questions. Have you been perfect? Have you sold ALL your possessions?
Dear Vektek,
In giving up all i have given up (distractions, sin, religion of man, false doctrines of man, desire for holding popular opinions within mainstream christianity even if they are false, etc), i believe i have met and even exceeded what Jesus has required of me to buy the pearl of great price (I have bought mine!) and I believe the more that we give up, the more He blesses us with deeper relationship with Him (this pearl can become even more beautiful and valuable, think "rewards judgement").
I don't believe i have been "perfect" by what we normally mean when we say perfect, but i believe i have been perfect in the eyes of Jesus as to what He asks and that He is deeply pleased with me. Have i sold all my possessions as in my laptop and my blender?, no. But then nor am i a literal branch having attached myself to a literal Vine, though i have certainly done so figuratively.
And why just 90% of your free time MST? Why not 100% percent? You're slacking! :)
Yes, i must be :). I believe 90% of our free time directly sowing into a deepened love for Jesus is enough for us to break through and be ushered into the kingdom of heaven (which is within us and which begins now on earth). This is not to say that we wouldn't continue to abide in Him with our heart connected to His in the other 10%, we certainly would. Myself i sow directly to the Spirit in a higher %, but i recommended 90% as something that would be a spectacularly dramatic shift for the vast majority and it would be noticed by the Living God as some serious asking, seeking and knocking. If somebody looks up a recipe or watches a funny video in 10% of their free time, i believe the Lord is perfectly ok with this. The principle is that our first love becomes the Living God and a desire to sit in His beautiful presence, seeking to love Him deeper, seeking His voice and His leading and sowing into deepened intimate relationship with Him. Let the seeker do this for 3 days (or maybe 7?) and see if s/he hasn't developed a new love for it and no desire to go back. We have a choice as to how fast or how slow we decide to run towards Him and He does take notice and richly blesses the deep seeker who wishes to break through into a deepened love for Him. Those with eyes to see, please let them see.- Re: Another interpretation of this p... vektek
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I think this post speaks for itself.
I'll just pray for you MST, and anyone on here that would fall for these things you say.
You tell me it would be good to stop reading my bible as much. Well, I think it would be good for you to start reading yours a lot more. You are way off track from true Christianity.- Re: Another interpretation of this p... refreshed
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This is a reply to # 2,066,012Vektek, please don't let him upset you. He is saying this to me as well....just let him make his point. One does not have to agree with everything written.
If you feel at peace with your walk, then why let it bother you? Why have a come-back to him....especially one you may regret later?
Now if you are like most of us...we all do question whether we have a close enough walk with the Father. I just try to take-it or leave-it, depending on what I feel inside that applies to me.
I do however, disagree with the original post written by Ditzel. Sounds like he has had a major turn-a-round in his beliefs from one extreme to another.- Re: Another interpretation of this p... vektek
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This is a reply to # 2,066,050Refreshed, who said I was upset? I realize we cannot see each others emotions through writing, well sometimes we can see it I guess, but I can assure you I was not upset when I wrote that post. I have not been upset throughout this whole thread.
I certainly don't have to reply to everything I disagree with on here, and many times I won't, but this time I just wanted to.
And I don't feel like what I said to MST was a "come-back" but just the truth. What he is talking about is not Christianity. He is making up his own rules and regulations for himself and everyone else, talking this 90% junk stuff, and all kinds of other craziness like he believes he's been perfect as to what Jesus has asked of him. Seriously? This is why MST really needs to read his bible. He needs to read the Sermon on the Mount bad, and if after that, if he still thinks he's done all that is required, he is seriously delusional!
MST, and people like him, misrepresent Christianity in a horrible way, representing it as another false religion where you can earn salvation with your own works. And once again, in whatever way, whenever possible, I'd like to stand up against those misrepresentations.
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This is a reply to # 2,066,055"MST, and people like him, misrepresent Christianity in a horrible way, representing it as another false religion where you can earn salvation with your own works. And once again, in whatever way, whenever possible, I'd like to stand up against those misrepresentations."
Ahem!!
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This is a reply to # 2,066,012Shamelessly and as to be expected from your past history, you have again taken what i have said out of context and twisted it into a lie. You need more intimacy with Jesus, not more falsely interpreted doctrines of man which grieve the Holy Spirit. In your case specifically, since you do not interpret by Spirit, but by flesh as further demonstrated by your support of the false pearl of great price interpretation which contrary to what the Lord Jesus teaches, takes man's part out of running towards Him (could it be a spiritual laziness on your part that makes you want to believe that we have no part whatsoever in running towards Him?), you (YOU) need to change your focus for a while until you are more in touch with the Spirit of the Living God in intimate personal relationship with Him. Your current focus on reading scripture and consistently misinterpreting it is only sending your further in the wrong direction.
I already have and still do encourage you to read the Gospels with your heart and with the intent of falling more deeply in love with the Lord Jesus, not with the gospels themselves, but with the beautiful living perfect risen Lamb of God they point towards. Just please don't try to shape doctrines in your current state. Spirit quenching religion which immerses you has never benefited anybody. Just as was true with the pharisees who also worshiped the words in a book, words they also misinterpreted, instead of worshiping the living God these words pointed to and who also had no life, you are unable to see this, but it is an emergency that you get immersed in the Spirit of God as soon as possible. Like the pharisees who came before you, you are missing out on true intimacy with God.
John 3: 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
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I think if we see out of love/joy/harmony what we posses is good but if we see it out of hate/rage/restlessness/cruelty/greed what we have becomes dangerous to hold and we have to be born again to see what we can have and live together with the Creator and jesus who has ever chosen the truth for all.
Men have been too long forced to hate and to look at things he cannot have; these are values not good for life at all and so too dangerous to hold but where men are going to find the true values that they hold for life as the creator does give?
We men are evil and I feel ashame to have been part of this beast, Godless.
pray be born of the spirit that hold the universe in order and with joy and to serve all no matter of what color flesh, forms etc. is this what you mean my friends?
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