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Hey forum, haven't written here in a while.
This month marks my official first entire year of NB. Enemas started in August (2012) though.
I know it is constantly repeated that NB takes a long time, but I must say, I've had AF for a total of 7 years now, and the only pattern has been a constant slide. Every day I've felt worse than the previous, with certain periods more obvious than others.
Like this past month, I feel NOTICEABLY more tired than the previous day, it's crazy I don't know when this will end. I feel like I'm already at a threshold, ready to pass out, and I 'know' tomorrow's even worse.
I quit everything (smoking, wrong foods etc...), have picked up yoga on occasion; can only do enemas every 2-3 days (because so fatigued) - the only thing I can see now is masturbation. This is especially hard to stop, as my body feels so 'wrong' it needs smt good, like a treat. But I'll try to quit that for a while and see...I'm a guy btw (maybe someone can relate ?).
And sleeping. A big problem, can't seem to fall asleep before 2:30am and wake up before 10:30am, and I think the fatigue comes from this too in a big way...
QUESTION
For those of you who've done/are doing NB, I'd love to read the most feedback possible on this: how long has it taken for you to start feeling better, as opposed to WORSE, with NB ? A year or even more anyone ?
Ever felt like you're just never ever going to heal ??
I'm still hopeful of course, but I've fought for 7 years now, intensely...no sign ever of feeling better.
On paper, I'm doing great each month, releasing copper etc...; but I feel like I'm dead.
THANKS !
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- Re: NB - duration of detox and extre... hawskfan9325
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This is a reply to # 2,053,054Man. How bad was your AF before you started NB? For severe AF I would never recommend NB. Too many uneducated practitioners. Do they have you on glandulars? coffee enemas can disrupt electrolyte balance too, and intestinal flora. BE Careful.
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This is a reply to # 2,053,065hawskfan9325, SB1108, SeattleK, thanks for your replies guys.
But how can you be so sure NB isn't the whole picture ?
It sounds naive, but I'd rather trust the docs. Dr. Wilson seems to be crazy knowledgeable and have tremendous common sense/be greatly scientific-minded.
My AF is very bad now, yes. I can barely talk throughout the day, and it's difficult at night now even. But I still can go beyond myself.
*What are glandulars ?
*I do coffee enemas yes, and I feel fkn EXHAUSTED after doing them. Maybe it's the hour at which I do them, I get tired around 6pm usually anyways...
* Lincomin I do, yes. How can you be so sure which supplement specifically hurts you ?!
"I am looking into the Methylation cycle... taking Vitamin B in its active form, increasing glutathione, and taking more vitamin C. I am also looking into megadosing zinc because I do know that copper is a problem"
Who told you to try that ? Your own initiative ? Isn't that random and unstable ?!
SeattleK: well I'll never be too sure exactly which supplement hurts. I may feel better while stopping but that's due to something completely else.
Thanks for all your responses, I'll be checking out the NB forum !
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This is a reply to # 2,053,369Glandulars are like hormones (parathyroid, thymus, bovine etc.) They can give you quite a pick-me-up, but some of us cannot tolerate it.
Well it takes time to trial run the supplements. At best you will only get a correlation. But, if your health is stable (feeling the same for 4-5 days in a row+), you can add or subtract a supplement and see if you feel significantly different for the next 3-4 days, then repeat. This is not rigorous science, but the best we can do. It is tough, because often in NB you feel worse before you feel better. Hope this has helped.
NB helped me immensely though, I encourage any and all to seriously consider it.
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This is a reply to # 2,053,054I've had Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome since late 2009... and like you said, I still can't fall asleep before 2:30 or wake up before 10:30.
I've been doing NB for over one year (like one year and two months). I have definitely made improvements but I have some symptoms that just wont go away (i.e. the fatigue and hypoglycemia). I think NB helps with a major side effect of Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome - malabsorption. My hair isn't falling out anymore, my finger nails look normal, my muscle pain has been greatly reduced, and even my stomach pain has lessened.
But there is definitely something missing - Before I went on NB, my fatigue wasn't this severe. I'm beginning to think that NB is only a piece of the puzzle.
Also - I realized that my copper toxicity was so severe that I cannot tolerate even a little limcomin or SBF. Do you take those? There are others on here that have had similar issues with the copper supplements and had to discontinue them because they make our symptoms worse.
Personally - I do think NB is a good program but I don't know that it is the complete cure. I am looking into the Methylation cycle... taking Vitamin B in its active form, increasing glutathione, and taking more vitamin C. I am also looking into megadosing zinc because I do know that copper is a problem.
Try playing around with your supplements to see if you notice any changes. - Re: NB - duration of detox and extre... SeattleK
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This is a reply to # 2,053,054In short, yes, there were times I felt much worse before I felt better. It did not take me a year though.
Careful of glandulars, and of electrolytes (like Hawksfan said) if your doing CE's.
And remember that NB is not an ALL encompassing plan even if they sell it that way, many of us have gotten a boost by focusing on the gut in addition to NB (candida, parasites etc.) I don't know if this applies to you, but you might think about it you need to add another component. It might be a worthwhile exercise to eliminate 1 supplement for a week, see how you feel, add it back, then eliminate another one etc. I know the practioners wouldn't like this, but I found some of the supplements served me very well but a couple made me feel awful and not in the healing way, so I just stopped taking them and it helped me a lot.
Also, go post this over in the 'Nutritional Balancing AF' forum, you will get more replies.
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This is a reply to # 2,053,054Sorry I am not doing NB but have been copper detoxing for the past two years with extreme improvement. I have dumped a ton of copper but unfortunately detoxing takes all of of your energy and that what maybe causing your fatigue. And by the way masturbation uses lot of energy too.
It's taking me a long time to detox because I didn't want to do it all at once because I wanted to function. I tried to do cycles as much I could but sometimes once your body starts detoxing it won't stop because that what it needs to do. Anyway after each detox cycle I was so fatigued but was also feeling more and more normal. I also think my body is dumping a lot of Bromide as well.
The sleep thing is a big factor too. I would make sure I would lie in bed for 10 hours. I have to take sleep pills but cutting carbs did helped me but it took two weeks of that. Taurine also helped along with Relora. It will also take the Taurine several days to built up in your system. Relora does lower cortisol so I would only take it to sleep maybe. I took Relora to help me store more cortisol over time. I actually did take it when I was fatigued and after about 5 days it didn't seem to lower cortisol to the point I had no energy. It worked more like an adaptogen for me.- Re: NB - duration of detox and extre... Jo86
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This is a reply to # 2,054,223sorry, didn't think anybody replied to that...
I just feel worse by the day, a lot worse when I wake up past 11am...if I wake up around 10/10:30 i'm relatively much better but it's so hard.
Thx for the kind help !
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