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kernelgroint
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Hi there
Was hoping somebody might be able to help please! Will try to keep this as short as possible...
About 12 years ago (I'm now mid 30's, male) I had GERD and was on PPIs. After getting fit, when coming off these a bit abruptly a year or two later I got bad 'acid rebound' (nobody warned me) and developed bad esophageal spasms. This, coupled with a very busy job, then caused several years of considerable stress - then anxiety and then adrenal fatigue.
After learning about adrenal fatigue and treating it with vitamins, relaxation etc, I have got substantially better over last few years - I have not had heartburn in years and am not really stressed; the esophageal motility disorder remains but is apparently fairly minor and I deal with it. However, I've never felt fully normal again - I haven't bounced back properly. I live a very healthy lifestyle (exercise, meditation, no smoking, minimal alcohol, probiotics etc) and haven't taken any meds for years.
Following some recent male fertility testing after my wife had a couple of miscarriages, my blood plasma/red cells tests revealed lowish levels of zinc and magnesium (despite years of mag citrate supplements to help spasms!) Most other stuff absolutely fine - albeit I am on a ton of supps for male fertility after surprisingly poor sperm parameters on tests.
After LOTS of research on here and elsewhere, I think that my digestion must be the issue. I seem to burp quite a lot these days and feel bloated after meals, as well as having some LPR/silent reflux symptoms and a slightly coated tongue, plus evidence of slightly undigested food. As I understand it, the several years on PPIs then further years of stress/adrenal stuff may have caused low stomach acid (and they also saw some bile in my stomach on endoscopy, but my esophagus was completely clear). So I don't think I'm absorbing vits/minerals very well at all. To cap it all, I've taken a magnesium supplement at RDA level for years to help with the esophageal spasms -I now wonder if it's possible this is acting as a further antacid when my digestion is already poor?
Just wondered if anyone had any advice on how to get back to full health with AF-related poor digestion? (Betaine HCL is a slightly odd one for me as I'm slightly wary of getting an acid pill caught if I have a spasm/poor motility! I think I may have gastritis from low acid and when I tried it HCL it made my stomach hurt as a result.) Are digestive bitters/enzymes the way forward? Anyone know how to 'heal' the gut and also improve digestion to get it all working again? I presume this takes time.
Many thanks for any help and advice, very much appreciated!
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- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... #118230
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This is a reply to # 2,039,310My Husband had the same symptoms that included Gerd which we figured it out was from low stomach acid...not high stomach acid. By the time we are 50 yrs. old most have lost 50% of their stomach acid.
We both take Bragg's apple cider vinegar with the mother in it... 1 teaspoon in a cup of water just before your meal. - Re: Getting back to normal after adr... dave505
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Hi kernel
Have you excluded an Hpilory infection?
Or similar. It's common culprit these days especially with gerd.
After years of having gerd and bile reflux I've discovered hpilory and giardia. Both had subclinical symptoms until they explode
Might be a cause.
AF could definitively cause low HCl but might be better to exclude an infection- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... Marie64
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This is a reply to # 2,039,485HI kernelgroint ,
My hubby use to have these spasms..DO you have ant mercury feelings. He remove the mercury filling and no longer suffer these spasms.
Good article on Michaels MyEvoy's site about acid reflex, gerd.
http://metabolichealing.com/key-integrated-functions-of-your-body/gut/lack-of...
I would suggest getting a hair analysis to see were you stand with the minerals. You can research on ARl's site.
http://arltma.com/
ALSO Trace ELement Inc. (Hair analysis lab) some good Published articles you may wnat to read.
Marie
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- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... kernelgroint
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This is a reply to # 2,039,545Hi everyone
Many thanks indeed for your help and advice so far. Thankfully I don't have any mercury fillings but I'll check those links out.
Yes, have heard that ACV is great for millions of things and will start doing that properly - have dabbled with that and lemon juice in the past (lemon juice did funny things to my tongue) but not properly. And hadn't thought of H Pylori - reading about it certainly sounds like I should investigate. I had an endoscopy about 2 1/2 years ago and they didn't mention anything re h-pylori then and I've been on decent probiotics ever since, but I think I'd better test to be on the safe side. I'm in the UK and there are some blood tests you can get online for DIY use but I'm not sure how reliable they are.
Investigating H Pylori/low acid/gasritis/poor absorption, it looks like it's a case of heal the gastritis, eliminate the bug and increase the acid. From what I can read in a short period of time, a regime of Aloe Vera juice, l-glutamine, mastic gum and ACV is in order. If I heal the gastritis and get the H-Pylori gone (if I have it), will I start naturally producing acid again? Any other tips or experiences? Someone somewhere else on the web has posted several times re mastic gum causing gastroparesis, which is the only thing holding me back from that (otherwise sounds perfect)...
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Hi,
I had also an endoscopy and test for H-Pylori came back negative. After that I did a Gastrointestinal Function Profile in Genova labs and H.Pylori came positive with very high elevated values... . But H.Pylori infection has about 75% of population and the reinfection is very high as well. If you want to treat H.Pylori, you should treat your family members as well.
For the H.Pylori treatment can be used mainly Matula Tea, GastroMend HP, Pyloricil.
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Hi - from what I understand there is a couple of things that happen in the body:
Stress - even though you are no longer having stress - the body may not have let go of the fight/flight response that you have been through. This has a cascading effect in the body.
Cortisol - strips the body of magnesium - you just can't take enough to reverse the effects of cortisol - this can lead to a build up of calcium (hence arthritis and fibromyalgia - where calcium builds up in the body).
The lack of magnesium - causes the kidneys to be distressed - and therefore your body will be dehydrated. The water and minerals can't get into the places they need to be.
With the kidneys under stress the body does not move flouride or mercury. If you drink flouridated water or have amalgam fillings you may be affected. In a class that I sat with 20 people (who are all alternative health care professionals) there was only 1 person not affected by mercury. Mercury also blocks zinc, Flouride blocks molybedenum which is needed to mediate zinc and copper. Aluminium also blocks zinc.
Zinc deficiency afftects stomach PH - which affects assimilation of all minerals including zinc. Zinc makes the stomach more acid, which is what you need stomach to be. Zinc is also needed for the immune system
Also if your body is still in fight/flight - this may affect your digestion. In this state the body is not programmed to be digesting food - as it needs all resources to be in fight/flight.
What causes the body to stay in fight/flight? It could be a trauma or series of traumas that make this happen. When the body has had a trauma it can cause tension in the jaw muscles, which may create structurual and neurological imbalances, dehydration and mineral deficiency.
Kinergetics is a type of kinesiology that works with this pattern in the body - it works on the TMJ (jaw muscles) and in many cases this can give great relief to people. Also hydration pathways in the body are corrected too. If this does not give relief, then trauma and other corrections may be needed.
Hope this is of some help to you.
- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... kernelgroint
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This is a reply to # 2,039,658Thanks! Yes, I gather the low zinc/ low stomach acid can be a bit of a vicious circle. I'm supplementing zinc piccolinate to try to restore things. I do wonder about the fight/flight thing as despite not being actively stressed and doing regular relaxation stuff I do feel like my body is 'braced' for no obvious reason and thought it was bad habits. I'm going to try to learn Alexander Technique for re-learning muscle relaxation; can't say I'm aware of kinesiology but that's more food for thought! I don't drink caffeine or fizzy drinks so I get through lots of herbal tea at work but should probably get more water instead!
Thanks again everyone for all the advice and help - very much appreciated!- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... Marie64
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Hi kernelgroint
Not sure if this article helps.
http://metabolichealing.com/key-integrated-functions-of-your-body/gut/lack-of...
Marie - Re: Getting back to normal after adr... dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,040,005Hi kern
Mineral imbalance in the body can make you feel stressed for example magnesium affecting the muscles contraction etc.
Stress the same BUT you can expand the explanation of the word to physical physiological stress. For our body stress means a lot of possible things.
Just to make your concept more flexible - in my case A LOT of stress came from my job. That was clear and obvious. but 1 year after I quit I still had some low subclinical body stress feeling like my muscle were contracting with no obvious reason or feeling wired or anxiety from nothing. First I thought is just the trauma later effects or mercury from fillings.
It was only when the symptoms got worst and diverse mainly in the gut then I realized parasites and bacterial infection were keeping my system feeling "under attack". Did not make the connection until things were too obvious coming in the same time.
Later explanation like "continuous low grade infection/ inflammation" make your HPA axis being wired made sense to me. Especially when symptoms were put togheter with the lab findings.
Might worth to thing about. Stress could not be so evident to your mind but yes to your body internally. Both toxins from pathogens when are alive or from dye off could pressure your system. Sometimes you might not feel the pathogens like in case of chronic bacterial or viruses .
Just my two cents- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... kernelgroint
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This is a reply to # 2,040,187Extremely interesting and helpful, thank you very much! Am now working on both healing the irritation and improving digestion (zinc, ACV, bitters, chewing more!) and h pylori testing.
Seems with gastritis that when starting 'treatment' it's a little bit like it gets a little bit worse before it gets better...- Re: Getting back to normal after adr... kernelgroint
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This is a reply to # 2,040,190Hi all
Thanks so much for everyone's help! One final question:
I take 400mg per day magnesium (currently Bio-magnesium but citrate in past and oil) as an antispasmodic/smooth muscle relaxant for the esophageal spasms/motility disorder. As noted I also have symptoms of low stomach acid, bile in stomach, gastritis and possible mild gastroparesis/delayed emptying. Other than a 'minor' esophageal motility disorder I have nothing supposedly wrong with me.
Is it at all possible that the magnesium could inadvertantly be making gastroparesis worse, by slowing stomach muscles etc? I don't take it with meals but could it also reduce stomach acid? Or is it all coincidence and the low acid is from legacy stress, and it's the low acid causing the slow stomach emptying?
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