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As my former posts states, I have been suffering the effects of Candida for most of my life and am now in the middle of an aggressive war against this monster inside of me with a very strict diet, immune boosters and all natural anti-fungal agents plus probiotics.
I added diatomaceous earth (DE) to my arsenal recently and have had some favorable results thus far.
I also noticed that my pH was rather acidic and began a supergreen powder/alkaline rich veggie shake regimen to get me into the 7 range and have had a rough time there for my urine pH is hard to get above a 6.5 no matter what I do.
My problem is that while scouring the interwebs for information on this subject, I notice a TON of sites touting that an alkaline system is actually HELPING the beasties which makes no logical sense for 99% percent of all anti-fungal herbs and vegetables are all #'s 1 and 2 on the highest alkaline chart!
In fact all of the allowed foods allowed on the Whole Approach "OK" foods list are alkaline with the exception of the organic meats and oils.
And on top of that, when I am feeling my absolute worst, my urine pH is very low at 5.5/6.5 and when I am feeling my absolute best, my pH is perfect at just above 7.
So what gives?
Am I going the wrong direction with my attack or are there some very misinformed people out there?
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This is a reply to # 2,014,385Hi wyndstryder,
I suggest every reading material you can get your hands on regarding an alkaline diet. Whoever is spreading the propaganda that an acid diet helps to rid oneself of candida hasn't got a clue.
The confusion comes into play because the stomach needs its acidity to help in the digestion process, during but each stage of digestion, assimilation,and elimination the pH changes, leaving the colon in an alkaline pH (in a normal gut).
I was healed from candida overgrowth by eating a high alkaline diet with supplements, digestive enzymes, Diflucan, and Nystatin powder. Nystatin powder is a natural fungus found growing natually in the earth that kills other yeasts and fungi. I'm not sure but maybe it is now grown and produced in a lab, but only for purity sake; it's still a natural substance, not a drug.
Also look up about a macrobiotic diet. This too promotes an alkaline system pH.
No person is ever "healed" from candida. Many people here seem to not know or simply forget that Candida is a natural product of the digestion and decomposition process in the gut. Everyone has candida. It's supposed to be there in every human. It's just that with people with lowered immune systems, for whatever reason, it gets out of control. That's why I always say "I was healed from candida 'overgrowth'." Just thought I'd throw that in because I see so many comments here calling candida a horrific disease, or how do I get rid of this? or whatever. It's not a disease and we will never get rid of candida. Normal people have candida; they're supposed to. The trick is to get it under control. Eating an alkaline-forming diet is key to this, because candida loves a rotting, putrifactive, acidic environment.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,014,385Great response! Yes,...some people are poorly informed, as you guessed at the end of your original post!
These nasties LOVE an acidic environment,...they HATE an alkaline one! You were right,...and you're doing great!
My pH goes back down to yellow, (5.5) when they are in die-off! Feel like crud! Like you,...when I'm blue or purple,...I feel GREAT!
Jilly- Re: Acid or Alkaline? Which pH inhib... slate01
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This is a reply to # 2,014,624Actually you're both misinformed. Candida can live in both an acidic and alkaline environment in it's planktonic form but can only exist in it's fungal form if it is no longer inhibited by acid forming (lactic acid) bacteria. These are the types that are commonly found in probiotics. If these bacteria are no longer present the candida creates an alkaline envrironment by producing ammonia which provides the all clear to become fungal. This is most likely when it also forms a biofilm. Ammonia is highly alkaline and is prob resposible for the toxic feeling that many candida sufferers experience.
The small and large intestine are also predominantly acidic, with some areas slightly alkaline. It is the acid forming bacteria that make it this way. This is the same for the skin and other areas of the body such as the nasal cavity and sinuses. The acid prevents pathogenic bacteria and yeasts from becoming a problem, they are part of the innate immune system. This is the same for the bladder. Acidity prevents pathogenic forms of E. coli from proliferating and E. coli is one of the most common pathogens found in the urinary tract.
The sites that propagate the whole notion that alkalinity is the key to health are "sales sites" that are selling Alkaline Water machines or alkaline drops etc. The only thing they would be right about is that the blood stream is supposed to be slightly alkaline.
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This is a reply to # 2,014,645You seem to be very educated and knowledgeable on the subject.
Why not use some of that knowledge to help us overcome this candida problem? - Re: Acid or Alkaline? Which pH inhib... stilljillofark
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This is a reply to # 2,014,645Amonia is base or acidic,...I did a google search because your post is so wrong and potentially damaging. Your advice will kill cancer patients! Being alkaline is IMPERATIVE for good health! The human body TOTALLY requires a pH of 7.356 or 7.4!
You are correct about certain parts of the G.I. tract being acidic by design,...but that is the ONLY thing you were correct about!- Re: Acid or Alkaline? Which pH inhib... slate01
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This is a reply to # 2,014,711Ammonia is alkaline and therefore obviously basic.
No I am not wrong, your post is extremely irresponsible, because you are putting people at risk promoting the erroneous notion that all aspects of the body are supposed to be alkaline. When you say "body" what do you actually mean. You can't just say "the body" is supposed to be alkaline. If you mean the bloodstream then yes, that area is supposed to be alkaline, but only slightly. I already mentioned this in my original post.
Spend some time doing some reading. The skin has a thin layer called the acid mantle as part of the innate immune system. Look it up, it's a fact.
The GI tract is primarily acidic, it has to be.
Why would the colon be full of acid forming bacteria. They actually form a major part of the immune system.
It's time that people like you started reading both sides of the argument. I have, I once was reading the stuff you have probably read and it doesn't make sense. It is completely illogical. Anything you eat or drink will immediately become acidified by the acid in the stomach. The pH of the resulting chyme is raised to a higher, but still acidic, pH as it enters the duodenum which can't handle the low pH that the stomach can. The body regulates the pH of the blood mainly via the respiratory tract through gas exchange.
Anyway read these studies, hopefully you can comprehend what they're saying.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10421978
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3601581
http://mbio.asm.org/content/2/3/e00055-11
I'd also be glad to read any peer reviewed literature that you can provide that supports your argument.
And please don't be fooled by the sales sites or believe in alkalinity like a religion. Just look at the facts, use your own intelligence and dont lie to yourself. If you want to beat candida you def dont want to make your intestines more alkaline. Also, the pH of your urine isn't even a good indicator of the pH of your blood. There's a blood test for that.
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This is a reply to # 2,014,730Good post. I'm afraid a lot of people will never accept it because so many of us want that magic pill to solve all our problems; and there are lots of people willing to accept our money for an overpriced version of that pill.
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This is a reply to # 2,014,730You have obviously done your research. I know enough to say that much, if not all, of what you say is correct.
Nevertheless, I don't dismiss the alkaline/neutral urine advocates totally. It may indeed be more healthy to have a less acidic urine. It may be indicative of a more healthy body. I cannot back this up with a scientific argument. I'm just going by the anecdotal evidence of people saying they feel better when their urine is more alkaline.- Re: Acid or Alkaline? Which pH inhib... Piccolo
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This is a reply to # 2,014,897I agree. The same goes for saliva Ph. Urine Ph changes more rapidly than the saliva Ph. I measure my saliva Ph first thing in the morning and am working to get it up to 7.
The Ph rise is somewhat hard to do,because of all the toxins (other than ammonia) secreted by candida are acid, like acetaldehyde).
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This is a reply to # 2,014,730Thanks for your excellent and informative post and links.
For decades my blood blood pH has been abnormally high (metabolic acidosis) despite a diet that those into alkalizing diets would say should have made me acidic.
I've been doing everything I can to balance out my pH, and bring it closer to normal.
Right now I'm taking Terramin Red Desert Clay, and hope that will move me to better pH balance.
Hally
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This is a reply to # 2,014,645in a "healthy" person that's true, and most studies assume an otherwise healthy person with ONE thing wrong (amazing to me how doctors know the word "comorbitiy" but never imagine it applies to the person they're looking at). But candida is not always ALBICANS. There are many strains and not everyone has albicans. If you have attempted Diflucan repeatedly, you may in fact have GLABRATA. Glabrata in NEVER normal in the body and has many risk factors--the biggest one is DIFLUCAN use or Antibiotic use (we all know about ABX being the devil). But you can get GLABRATA even in an operating room!! Researchers have swabbed newly built and "aseptic" ORs and found huge colonies of C.glabrata. If a person has Interstitial Cystitis and the cause is NOT bacteria, then it is often C.glabrata (that's why so many of us are using Boric Acid vaginally--it's one of the few things besides Nystatin which will kill C.glabrata!! And my IC specialist tells me that the best weapon against it is to raise you urine pH to at least 7.5+ by any means possible. I add 1 1/2 tsp of baking soda and 1 1/2 tsp. of liquid minerals to every gallon of spring water(after checking the pH of the spring water!). But the urine goes acid the closer to morning you get. I check my saliva pH and the doc does a Blood Gas every two months to check my serum pH. It's called chronic non-acute metabolic acidosis. and it can make you very suseptible to candida glabrata. It is AWFUL to be this sick....
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This is a reply to # 2,014,385Candida Albicans growths in both, alkaline and acid environments.
The difference is yeast cells (monecells) growth better in an acid Ph and germination is favored by an alkaline Ph.
You aren't going to escape of yeast growing no matter if your Ph is acid or alkaline. However, candida albicans germination results in a more virulent and pathogenic form able to penetrate the epithelial cells.
Of both forms, it is better to deal with the yeast than with a mutated form of it. So, it isn't good idea to force your intestinal Ph to a more alkaline state. Anti-acids are listed as a possible cause of intestinal yeast overgrowth.
Jorge.
Mechanism of Candida albicans transformation in response to changes of pH.
Konno N, Ishii M, Nagai A, Watanabe T, Ogasawara A, Mikami T, Matsumoto T.
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Department of Microbiology, Tohoku Pharmaceutical University, Sendai, Japan.
Abstract
Hyphal growth of Candida albicans was observed at neutral condition, whereas the yeast growth was increased below pH 5. Eight out of 12 strains of C. albicans grow in hyphal form at pH 7, and hyphal formation was inhibited in all strains at pH 4. The addition of GMP, an alternative oxidase (AOX) activator, induced the hyphal growth at pH 4. Although C. albicans grew in hyphal form in pH 7, SHAM, an AOX inhibitor, enhanced the yeast proliferation at this pH. The relative expression level of RAS1 mRNA was higher at pH 7 than at pH 4, indicating that the hyphal formation signal was defective under acidic conditions. Based on these findings, we concluded that AOX-RAS1 signal transduction is the main pathway of hyphal formation of C. albicans, and that the signal was controlled by pH condition.
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This is a reply to # 2,014,772Jorge and slate are right. Don't believe in the alkaline quackery. Before I even had candida overgrowth over alkalizing made me constipated.
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This is a reply to # 2,014,845I have been on a baking soda an maple syrup diet for a month now (2-3 teaspoons a day) and this is what has happened to me so far:
- my white furry tongue is now mostly nice and pink
-my chronic diarrhoea has got much better
- my chronic ghastly cough for half an hour every morning is nearly gone (I don't smoke!)
- my morning urine ph value has gone up from 5 to 6 and I will keep going until I get to 7.
Anybody with similar symptoms is welcome to try this. Never mind who is right or wrong.
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This is a reply to # 2,014,385This article tackles this difficult question,...what is the real pH answer in the GI tract?
http://drbenkim.com/ph-body-blood-foods-acid-alkaline.htm
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