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Fibrocystic breast disease has been reclassified as an allergy now, by someone very important in the scientific community.
quote Allergies can cause swelling, which in turn can make the tissues feel harder. endquote
I love the pinball logic. X can be Y and Y can sometimes cause Z and Z has been associated with T so therefore T could be X.- Unbelievable. glaxony
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- Re: No worries grzbear
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,948,173I tend to lean towards the idea that most all chronic diseases are associated with a form of inflammatory response to environmental conditions.
Those *conditions* being environmental pollution assaults coming from polluted air, water, soil, foods, such as conventionals and GMOs, etc.
I believe that initially the rise in popularity of tonsillectomies through the 1950's was due to the widening availability of a poisoned food supply due to the rise in use of agricultural chemicals in and on our water, soil, air and food, and with lawn care, which in turn caused an inflammation of the lymphatic system, specifically the tonsils.
They still aerial spray in cities for mosquitoes and such, among other things.
Not so far fetched an idea... however, the *cause* may continue to go unnoticed and/or ignored unless people are willing to address the elephant in the room that science and medicine largely ignores - man-made pollution of all kinds.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,321good point
toxemia is a major factor
the main causes of most diseases are
toxemia and malnutrition
the body cannot get rid of toxins if it is malnourished
you cannot get the elements you need to live a healthy life from food, water and air that is toxic - Re: No worries Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 1,948,321
I tend to lean towards the idea that most all chronic diseases are associated with a form of inflammatory response to environmental conditions.
Absolutely agree with you - with a bit of expansion: Inflammation/prolonged cellular stress due to toxins, as well as radiation and pathogens which have gotten past suppressed immune systems, in combination with cells which have not been properly nourished, cleansed or hydrated. THAT, imo, is the formula for most disease - and in the formula one should be able to clearly see the solution.
DQ Bechamp
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,948,363OK, but Inflammation is an immune response, so as long as the immune system can fight it will create this response.
This leaves you with the option of dumping down the immunes system ala Medico Mafia, Vit-D and countless other things or aiding the body in removing the pathogen.
Now we are back to identifying the pathogen, toxin, parasite, L-Form?
Simply aiding the body in removing the inflammatory response is no better than what the Medico Mafia offers. That's like fluotidating your population to hide the moral decay.
- Re: No worries grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,948,405>>"Simply aiding the body in removing the inflammatory response is no better than what the Medico Mafia offers."<<
that can be done with diet, lifestyle and environmental changes... and/or supplements.
so I disagree with you in that your statement, "is no better than what the Medico Mafia offers", depends on how this is done.
In essence, isn't this exactly what people are doing with things like iodine?
Of course it is...
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This is a reply to # 1,948,448>>In essence, isn't this exactly what people are doing with things like iodine?
think you are comparing apples and oranges. iodine supplementation removes excess fluoride, bromides and other toxins... and is at the same time, a vital nutrient (that can't be utilized really until the halogens are at least partially displaced). This is not the same thing as trying to stop the body's inflamatory process.
as far as one of the root issues is concerned, stealth pathogens, my own opinion... diet and lifestyle changes certainly help. but once they are dug in (which is the case for many people), these will not complete the job. while there is no magic bullet for stealth pathogens, things like rife, detox, CS, etc go a long way... with Rife being at the top of the list. Until Eden is recreated, its the best we have.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,456>>"think you are comparing apples and oranges. "<<
not in how I understand it... perhaps in your mind.
>>"This is not the same thing as trying to stop the body's inflamatory process."<<
Sure it is *the same* thing... by removing the source of the cause. Iodine does not directly remove toxins... it does not, and cannot, *work* alone.
Iodine can however, directly addresses inflammation issues throughout the glandular and lymphatic systems among other things - same as a pharmaceutical drug, herb, or other supplement.
For instance, magnesium is a mineral that addresses inflammation...
So is Turmeric...
Why in the world are most of the *popular* and most effective *supplements*, herbal, spices, minerals, or otherwise anti-inflammatory?
Because our planet is sick and our bodies are having an inflammatory response to this polluted rock...
do not get mired in the details and lose sight of the root causes... man has outgrown the planet - at least in terms of how we *treat* it as our septic tank of waste - showing no respect for it whatsoever.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,463but there are very different modes of action that must be distinguished. On the one hand, are substances (herbal or drug) such as steroids which chemically block inflammation. It may be very popular to take both herbal/supplements/drugs that operate in this manner, but that hardly makes it a good idea unless you have given up hope addressing the reason why the body is using inflammation in a given area in the first place.
in the second mode of action we have substances that also attack the issue the body is attempting to attack with inflammation. Iodine, SSKI, Silver may all act in this (in addition to their nutritional value). the key difference is, they do not "block" the inflamation. instead they act on the toxin/pathogen that is causing the body to produce inflammation... pathogen removed, body no longer needs the inflamatory defense... problem solved.
the key difference being remove the problem vs. remove the symptom of the problem (inflammation). the problem with latter, it leaves the problem- Re: No worries UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,948,468ja, inflammation is a symptom, right on. The body's natural reaction to a trauma, internally or externally induced. Why would anyone want to treat the symptom with "anti-inflammatory" substances ?
My take is to leave the damned thing swelled up, its what the body wants to do. Why interfere with body's natural process ?
Inflammation is a secondary matter, in my view, as you'd suggested. Treating inflammation per se, is like taking an aspirin for a fever. Thyroid raises body temperature to prevent virus replication, then some dodo comes along and takes an aspirin to undo what the body does naturally in response to an attack !! Foolish humans.- Re: No worries grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,948,493I agree that it is a symptom... however, I believe that several are missing the bigger picture.
We *live* in an inflammatory environment - PERIOD. EVERYONE expresses the *symptom* to one degree or another.
This is how a lake, can absorb pollution seemingly endlessly and them boom... over night it dies and is unable to support life - it happens that fast... the earth is a closed system and it is no different, just a larger scale.
Resolve the cause - the *cause*, excepting *physical trauma* from accidents, is our **external** polluted environment - brought inside through the polluted water, air, soil, food, household chemicals, you name it, that we take in to our bodies.
Get rid of pollution completely, eliminate the root cause... otherwise we all must live and deal with the *symptoms*.
AGAIN, to make clear... The cause of the inflammation IS man-made POLLUTION of all kinds - that EVERYONE is exposed to.
I thought that I had made that VERY clear with the initial post in referring to the cause of the rise in tonsillectomies... at least DQ seemed to understand it.
Not everyone gets it... others are in denial... and still others would rather not know... C'est la vie.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,502>>
Get rid of pollution completely, eliminate the root cause... otherwise we all must live and deal with the *symptoms*.
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Sure, but what if some of that is designed NOT to come out except with dramatic treatments?
Certainly I see many puffy people from Colloidal Hg in the food supply.. You may be able to change to a better food supply but only for as long as the Gestapo/FDA allows it..
Raw milk from an area with a constant Dioxin dump that is unknown is still toxic..
- Re: No worries grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,948,505>>"Sure, but what if some of that is designed NOT to come out except with dramatic treatments?"<<
or never ending *treatments* due to the constant (24x7) onslaught...
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This is a reply to # 1,948,507>>or never ending *treatments* due to the constant (24x7) onslaught...
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No argument there..
But still we come to the conclusion that it is better to battle than to allow immune system dumps free reign. Some of us had really low immune levels from letting it all go before we figured that out..
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This is a reply to # 1,948,511>>"it is better to battle"<<
Never Give up, Never Surrender
you, like so many others, understand it is a fight for our lives.
deny the truth, or, give up, and you have lost.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,502actually, I don't think anyone is "missing the big picture"... that is your opinion because you don't agree with some of the viewpoint being expressed. In reality the disagreement is very simple, you do not believe that man made or engineered pathogens or toxins can outsmart nature. As such, simply correcting diet and environment should be enough to restore health in your view (oversimplification, but you get the gist).
Once upon a time I would have agreed with you, and in fact, went that route for years with limited success. Not until I began to study pathogens like lyme or various other toxins did I realize that the human body was no match... especially not in the current polluted environment, but quite possibly even in a pristine environment (is such a place still exists).
Mycoplasma were created in a lab, you can check the patent filings. There are countless other pathogens like mycoplasma, including lyme, that few even know exist. These things were bioengineered to defeat the body's defenses. diet and environment may slow or control the degree of infection, but without some active treatment, cure is not possible. just degree of managment. pollution alone is not the only issue. People understand your point perfectly well, they just disagree that pollution is THE problem, its not... it is part of the problem.
Of course this is my opinion, based on my experience and research. I will concede that without trying to imply that my word is gospel truth.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,502I didn't read it much, just the last guy's thing about it being a symptom. I'm sure you've thought it out and it all makes sense. It could be true that I might not understand it even if I read it. I appreciate ya.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,405
When I wrote:
"and in the formula one should be able to clearly see the solution."
I meant that the solution was undoing the formula that lead to the problem - in other words properly nourishing, cleansing and hydrating the cellular environment along with elimination of the source of the irritation/inflammation. That does not require medicating, although I certainly believe that natural items can be used to help speed the body back into the pathway of a naturally healthy state.
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This is a reply to # 1,948,467Gotcha, always a problem to explain it all unless one is willing to write a short story each time..
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This is a reply to # 1,948,363dq
dont' take this as a critcism because i have truckloads of respect for you.
i noticed that you are often recommending colloidal silver, and i'm not sure but it seems like you take this every day?
maybe i'm mistaken on this.
i can see that taking some colloidal silver in a crisis situation where you are overloaded could be a good thing.
but to take something regularly that inhibits bacterial growth (without addressing the cause) is a direct contradiction to the bechamp philosophy. ???
something like iodine would be different because in addition to its antimicrobial properties it is also helping to detoxify the body of halides which are likely part of the cause of the original imbalance.
cs is something that sort of falls into the grey area imo, where it is just a less toxic antiobiotic in comparison to prescription meds.
i think people that take colloidal silver on a regular basis are doing themselves a disservice in the long run and possibly setting themselves up for very rude awakening of dire illness when it is too late.
and ps, your oleander information is aces.
my aunt made a full recovery of from breast cancer taking oleander. so i am a little skeptical of people who like to mock oleander.- Re: No worries Dquixote1217
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Thanks for your kind words and input. No, I do not take CS every da- far from it. I take it when I think that there is an issue I need to address (colds, sore throat, stomach bug, etc.) and apply it topically when needed. Sometimes I do take it as a preventive when something nasty is going around.
It is wonderful to hear of your aunt's success.
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- gooday Griz..how was hibernation? n/... MatrixAnomaly 12 y 2,020
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- Unbelievable. glaxony
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