Hi Hv, I heard that Frankincense is very good for cancer. What do you think of it?
Frankincense oil has been shown in various studies to be very effective against several cancers. It is not clear what the active component is yet although it is believed to be boswellic acid.
I'm trying to design a formulation that has Frankincense, Myrhh, Nettle Root, Astragalus, and Triphala to be used primarily for cancer. I see that you highly recommend Myrhh for cancer.
Yes, myrrh is strongly antimicrobial, immune stimulatory and is a hyaluronidase inhibitor.
The Nettle Root is in there for its anti-aromatase properties.
This could be good for something like breast cancer but not prostate cancer.
The Astragalus is for its cardiovascular benefits because this formulation is for my aunt who has breast cancer and MAY also have a heart condition (though I'm not really sure about this as her EKG and BP are normal and her doctor may have just prescribed Inderal to her for financial gain, but anyway, adding Astragalus to the formulation shouldn't hurt).
The astragalus would be more for an immune stimulant herb. For the heart I would go with something like coleus forskohlii or arjuna.
And lastly, the Triphala is for its general detox and immune boosting benefits and also for constipation relief (she is sometimes constipated).
This will also help with immune support.
Do you think this would be a good and synergistic combination? Please let me know the quantity of each ingredient to use, your recommended dosage for the formulation, and whether or not this can be taken for the long term.
The main thing that would prevent its long term use would be the resins. Resins are hard on the kidneys with long term use. One source in lower doses would not be much of an issue, but you have two sources.
One suggestion would be to extract the resins first. There are several ways of doing this. Probably the easiest would be to put the resin in to a jar. Fill the jar with olive oil so it covers the resin by about a half inch. Seal the jar and let it sit for about 3-4 weeks shaking the jar several times each day. What this will do is separate the soluble from the insoluble compounds. The active oils will stay with the soluble portion. Strain the oil and dispose of the insoluble components. The easiest way to take the oils will be to fill a capsule and swallow it.
As far as the rest of the formula there are a few things you may want to add such as suma and maybe a mitosis inhibitor such as chaparral or black walnut hulls.
In fact, the more aspects of cancer you can address the more effective the formula will be. And there are various other aspects of cancer that can be targeted such as increasing cytokines and interfering with he Cori cycle.
Thanks a lot Hv for this good information!
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Frankincense oil has been shown in various studies to be very effective against several cancers. It is not clear what the active component is yet although it is believed to be boswellic acid.
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I have to use Frankincense powder, though, because it will be shipped to another country and the shipping carrier does not allow liquids to be shipped. Is the powder form still effective against cancer? Also there are different variations of Frankincense or Boswellia, such as Serrata, Carteri, and Sacra. Which of these is the best for cancer? [Quote] The Nettle Root is in there for its anti-aromatase properties. This could be good for something like breast cancer but not prostate cancer. [/Quote] Yes, it's for my aunt who has breast cancer. [Quote] The astragalus would be more for an immune stimulant herb. For the heart I would go with something like coleus forskohlii or arjuna. [/Quote] I read that coleus and arjuna increase fat metabolism, thus helping to reduce weight. However, my aunt is underweight. For her height of 5' 2" she weighs only 88 pounds. She needs to gain weight to reach at least 104 pounds. Will coleus or arjuna not be a problem? By the way, she started losing weight when she began her alternative regimen which involved anti-cancer herbs and dietary changes (now eating mostly vegetables and a little fish, chicken and eggs). I hope she's not experiencing cachexia. I ask her if she feels weak and she says no, she feels fine. So I guess it's not cachexia but just the effect of a sudden and drastic change in her diet, right? What herbs or supplements would you recommend to gain weight? [Quote] Do you think this would be a good and synergistic combination? Please let me know the quantity of each ingredient to use, your recommended dosage for the formulation, and whether or not this can be taken for the long term. The main thing that would prevent its long term use would be the resins. Resins are hard on the kidneys with long term use. One source in lower doses would not be much of an issue, but you have two sources. [/Quote] Can she take it for the long term if she does a break of, say, two weeks for every three months of continuous use? Or what do you suggest as far as usage and breaks are concerned to avoid kidney problems? [Quote] As far as the rest of the formula there are a few things you may want to add such as suma and maybe a mitosis inhibitor such as chaparral or black walnut hulls. [/Quote] She's already taking chaparral in a mixture with turmeric, milk thistle, ashwagandha and bacopa (remember the Protandim formulation that you helped me with?). I Googled suma and it looks like a very good herb for her as it is also good for cardiac health. Thanks for suggesting it! [Quote] In fact, the more aspects of cancer you can address the more effective the formula will be. And there are various other aspects of cancer that can be targeted such as increasing cytokines and interfering with he Cori cycle. [/Quote] Aside from the chaparral + other herbs mixture, she is also taking paw paw, IP-6, moringa, vitamin D3, probiotics, rice bran, and a little vitex. I am going to add andrographis (as digestive bitter and anti-cancer), diatomaceous earth, dulse seaweed, magnesium citrate, B50 complex, and the formulation which is the subject of this thread. Considering the kidney issues with long term use of frankincense and myrrh, I think I will remove those from the formulation and have her take them separately so that she can have breaks on them to avoid kidney problems. So the formulation for long term use will have only nettle root, astragalus, triphala, suma, and possibly arjuna or coleus. Does that sound like a good plan to you?
Thanks again!
Thanks a lot Hv for this good information!
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Frankincense oil has been shown in various studies to be very effective against several cancers. It is not clear what the active component is yet although it is believed to be boswellic acid.
[/Quote] I have to use Frankincense powder, though, because it will be shipped to another country and the shipping carrier does not allow liquids to be shipped. Is the powder form still effective against cancer? Yes, but I would still extract it in oil first for several reasons. First is because if taken alone the resin is going to clump when it contacts water reducing surface area for absorption. Secondly, by extracting it is oil the absorption will be enhanced. Also there are different variations of Frankincense or Boswellia, such as Serrata, Carteri, and Sacra. Which of these is the best for cancer? I would go with the boswellia. [Quote] The Nettle Root is in there for its anti-aromatase properties. This could be good for something like breast cancer but not prostate cancer. [/Quote] Yes, it's for my aunt who has breast cancer. [Quote] The astragalus would be more for an immune stimulant herb. For the heart I would go with something like coleus forskohlii or arjuna. [/Quote] I read that coleus and arjuna increase fat metabolism, thus helping to reduce weight. However, my aunt is underweight. For her height of 5' 2" she weighs only 88 pounds. She needs to gain weight to reach at least 104 pounds. Will coleus or arjuna not be a problem? I have never seen any evidence of arjuna doing this, but coleus does promote the burning of body fat. By the way, she started losing weight when she began her alternative regimen which involved anti-cancer herbs and dietary changes (now eating mostly vegetables and a little fish, chicken and eggs). I hope she's not experiencing cachexia. I ask her if she feels weak and she says no, she feels fine. So I guess it's not cachexia but just the effect of a sudden and drastic change in her diet, right? The change of diet and the herbs can definitely cause this. What herbs or supplements would you recommend to gain weight? Gaining weight can actually be harder than losing weight. Best thing would be more good fat sources such as nuts (not peanuts, which are a legume), avocados, bananas, etc. Fats are very high calorie. Some Brazil nuts each day would especially be good due to the selenium, which helps with cancer. If it is by some chance cachexia then omega 3 fatty acids, especially fish oil, can help with cachexia. If legal in the state she lives marijuana is also very effective. It has been found that inflammatory compounds play a role in cachexia as well. Therefore, anti-inflammatory compounds can beneficial. The main ones I recommend focusing on are yucca root, licorice root, chaparral and turmeric. All of these have other anti-cancer activity as well. Such as sterol binding of cholesterol in cancer cell membranes by yucca root. Interferon enhancing and antiviral properties of licorice root. Chaparral also supports immunity, destroys viruses and inhibits mitosis of cancer cells. Turmeric has a number of anti-cancer properties. The boswellia also has very strong anti-inflammatory and antiviral properties. [Quote] Do you think this would be a good and synergistic combination? Please let me know the quantity of each ingredient to use, your recommended dosage for the formulation, and whether or not this can be taken for the long term. The main thing that would prevent its long term use would be the resins. Resins are hard on the kidneys with long term use. One source in lower doses would not be much of an issue, but you have two sources. [/Quote] Can she take it for the long term if she does a break of, say, two weeks for every three months of continuous use? Or what do you suggest as far as usage and breaks are concerned to avoid kidney problems? It takes about a month or more to cause kidney issues, but I recommend going a little short such as taking a week break after every 3 weeks. The other herbs are still going to work on the cancer even when the resins are discontinued for short breaks. [Quote] As far as the rest of the formula there are a few things you may want to add such as suma and maybe a mitosis inhibitor such as chaparral or black walnut hulls. [/Quote] She's already taking chaparral in a mixture with turmeric, milk thistle, ashwagandha and bacopa (remember the Protandim formulation that you helped me with?). I Googled suma and it looks like a very good herb for her as it is also good for cardiac health. Thanks for suggesting it! [Quote] In fact, the more aspects of cancer you can address the more effective the formula will be. And there are various other aspects of cancer that can be targeted such as increasing cytokines and interfering with he Cori cycle. [/Quote] Aside from the chaparral + other herbs mixture, she is also taking paw paw, IP-6, moringa, vitamin D3, probiotics, rice bran, and a little vitex. I am going to add andrographis (as digestive bitter and anti-cancer), diatomaceous earth, dulse seaweed, magnesium citrate, B50 complex, and the formulation which is the subject of this thread. Nettle leaf is a good addition. It is very nutritious, helps interfere with the Cori cycle, reduces lactate and strengthens the kidneys. Considering the kidney issues with long term use of frankincense and myrrh, I think I will remove those from the formulation and have her take them separately so that she can have breaks on them to avoid kidney problems. So the formulation for long term use will have only nettle root, astragalus, triphala, suma, and possibly arjuna or coleus. Does that sound like a good plan to you? There are other things that I would add such as the nettle leaf and turmeric for example. Chagas are also great if you can find them. If you read my Cancer write up it discusses the different properties of some of the different herbs for cancer.
Thanks a lot Hv!
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I have to use Frankincense powder, though, because it will be shipped to another country and the shipping carrier does not allow liquids to be shipped. Is the powder form still effective against cancer? Yes, but I would still extract it in oil first for several reasons. First is because if taken alone the resin is going to clump when it contacts water reducing surface area for absorption. Secondly, by extracting it is oil the absorption will be enhanced. [/Quote] If Frankincense powder is mixed with a non-resinous powder such as turmeric, then clumping will not be much of an issue anymore, right? [Quote] Also there are different variations of Frankincense or Boswellia, such as Serrata, Carteri, and Sacra. Which of these is the best for cancer? I would go with the boswellia. [/Quote] What I meant was that there is Boswellia Serrata, Boswellia Carteri, and Boswellia Sacra. Which one is the best for cancer? The astragalus would be more for an immune stimulant herb. For the heart I would go with something like coleus forskohlii or arjuna. I read that coleus and arjuna increase fat metabolism, thus helping to reduce weight. However, my aunt is underweight. For her height of 5' 2" she weighs only 88 pounds. She needs to gain weight to reach at least 104 pounds. Will coleus or arjuna not be a problem? I have never seen any evidence of arjuna doing this, but coleus does promote the burning of body fat. [/Quote] Arjuna contains Co Q10 though, which is not recommended to be taken with paw paw, as the ATP-enhancing effects of Co Q10 will reduce the effectiveness of paw paw. Do you have any other suggestions for the heart that do not burn body fat or contain Co Q10? What herbs or supplements would you recommend to gain weight? Gaining weight can actually be harder than losing weight. Best thing would be more good fat sources such as nuts (not peanuts, which are a legume), avocados, bananas, etc. Fats are very high calorie. Some Brazil nuts each day would especially be good due to the selenium, which helps with cancer. If it is by some chance cachexia then omega 3 fatty acids, especially fish oil, can help with cachexia. If legal in the state she lives marijuana is also very effective. [/Quote] Thanks for these suggestions! [Quote] It has been found that inflammatory compounds play a role in cachexia as well. Therefore, anti-inflammatory compounds can beneficial. The main ones I recommend focusing on are yucca root, licorice root, chaparral and turmeric. All of these have other anti-cancer activity as well. Such as sterol binding of cholesterol in cancer cell membranes by yucca root. Interferon enhancing and antiviral properties of licorice root. Chaparral also supports immunity, destroys viruses and inhibits mitosis of cancer cells. Turmeric has a number of anti-cancer properties. The boswellia also has very strong anti-inflammatory and antiviral properties. <snip> As far as the rest of the formula there are a few things you may want to add such as suma and maybe a mitosis inhibitor such as chaparral or black walnut hulls. [/Quote] Aren't we adding too many herbs to the formulation now? My concern is, the more herbs we add, the less of each herb will be taken. For example, let's say you were taking indivdually 1/2 tsp turmeric, 1/2 tsp chaparral, and 1/2 tsp nettle root. If you make a mixture of turmeric, chaparral, and nettle root and take 1/2 tsp of the mixture, then you'll be effectively taking only 1/6 tsp of each herb. So I'm confused about formulations. What's the principle behind making formulations? How do you make formualtions that are still effective despite there being less of each herb in the mixture?
Aren't we adding too many herbs to the formulation now? My concern is, the more herbs we add, the less of each herb will be taken. For example, let's say you were taking indivdually 1/2 tsp turmeric, 1/2 tsp chaparral, and 1/2 tsp nettle root. If you make a mixture of turmeric, chaparral, and nettle root and take 1/2 tsp of the mixture, then you'll be effectively taking only 1/6 tsp of each herb. So I'm confused about formulations. What's the principle behind making formulations? How do you make formualtions that are still effective despite there being less of each herb in the mixture?
I know where you are coming from and in some cases this is true. But there are always exceptions to rules. In this case there are two very important factors to keep in mind. First is that cancer has a great ability to adapt. For this reason the best way to address cancer herbally is by targeting multiple aspects of the cancer. For example cancer viruses and other microbes, mitochondrial inhibition, angiogenesis and metastases inhibition, cytokine stimulation, blocking the Cori cycle, etc. You are not going to find a single herb that can do all this. Therefore, formulations targeting these different aspects will create a much better effect.
Secondly, the mixing of some herbs create a potentiating effect. Therefore, they work more effectively combined allowing for smaller amounts to be used while still achieving the same effects. For example, chaparral potentiates the effects of pau' d arco.
On the other hand some herbs can negate each others effects or increase the toxicity of another herb. That is why it is so important to understand the chemistry behind the herbs. You cannot just throw herbs together to make a formula. This is why I don't like man of the formulas on the market. Especially those by the old school herbalists like Christopher and Schulze and other "textbook herbalists" that simply read somewhere than X herb is good for Y so they throw it in without regards to the chemistry, interactions or safety. I have seen so many basic mistakes in a number of these formulas. If they would take the chemistry of the herbs in to consideration and catch up on modern herbology a lot of these basic mistakes could easily be avoided and more effective and safer herbs used in the formulations.
Understanding how the human body works and the principles of diseases also makes a big difference in producing effective formulas.
Actually formulating though is part art and part science. Even if you know what herbs that are to be used it is not as simple as put in equal parts. Some herbs need to be in a formula in higher amounts and others in lower amounts depending on a variety of factors such as synergy, toxicity, absorption ability, factors of a disease or disorder being targeted, etc.
Thanks very much! I wish I had your expertise to be able to make effective, synergistic formulations.
The following is now my plan. At the moment, my aunt is already taking a mixture of chaparral, turmeric, milk thistle, ashwagandha, and bacopa (this was the "Protandim formulation" that you helped me with). So I am just going to add the following:
Formulation #1:
(To be taken with a one-week break after every three weeks of continuous use)
Frankincense, Myrrh, and Nettle Root (the nettle root helps to prevent clumping)
Formulation #2:
(To be taken with a three-day break after every four weeks of continuous use)
Nettle Root, Astragalus, Triphala, Suma, Yucca Root, Licorice Root, Chagas
You said earlier, Nettle leaf is a good addition. It is very nutritious, helps interfere with the Cori cycle, reduces lactate and strengthens the kidneys.
I already have nettle root. Can nettle root also interfere with the Cori cycle, reduce lactate and strengthen the kidneys or do I still need to add nettle leaf?
Notice that I have nettle root in both formulations #1 and #2. That's because I'd like my aunt to have a little nettle root during those times that she is on a week-long break from formulation #1. But too much nettle root can have the undesirable effect (for women) of facial hair growth, so I would like it that when she is on break from formulation #1, she will have just enough nettle root from formulation #2 to sustain the anti-aromatase action but not too much as to cause facial hair growth in the long term.
With these considerations, please let me know your recommendation on how much quantity to use of each ingredient in these formulations. Please also let me know your suggested dosage for these.
Your help is so very appreciated. Thanks again!
Thanks very much! I wish I had your expertise to be able to make effective, synergistic formulations.
The following is now my plan. At the moment, my aunt is already taking a mixture of chaparral, turmeric, milk thistle, ashwagandha, and bacopa (this was the "Protandim formulation" that you helped me with). So I am just going to add the following:
Formulation #1: (To be taken with a one-week break after every three weeks of continuous use) Frankincense, Myrrh, and Nettle Root (the nettle root helps to prevent clumping) If you have the time I would still extract the resins in to oil first to increase absorption. The extracted oils can be put in to capsules. Formulation #2: (To be taken with a three-day break after every four weeks of continuous use) Nettle Root, Astragalus, Triphala, Suma, Yucca Root, Licorice Root, Chagas You said earlier, Nettle leaf is a good addition. It is very nutritious, helps interfere with the Cori cycle, reduces lactate and strengthens the kidneys. I already have nettle root. Can nettle root also interfere with the Cori cycle, reduce lactate and strengthen the kidneys or do I still need to add nettle leaf? Nettle root does not have the same properties as the leaf, so I would still add the leaf. Notice that I have nettle root in both formulations #1 and #2. That's because I'd like my aunt to have a little nettle root during those times that she is on a week-long break from formulation #1. But too much nettle root can have the undesirable effect (for women) of facial hair growth, so I would like it that when she is on break from formulation #1, she will have just enough nettle root from formulation #2 to sustain the anti-aromatase action but not too much as to cause facial hair growth in the long term. There should not be a problem. It would take pretty high doses to cause that, although that would be a good indicator that you are keeping testosterone up. With these considerations, please let me know your recommendation on how much quantity to use of each ingredient in these formulations. Please also let me know your suggested dosage for these. If you stick to the powders on formula 1 then 2 parts each of the frankincense and myrrh and one part of the nettle root. For formula 2 suma, chaga and nettle leaf 5 parts, astragalus 3 parts, nettle root 2 parts, the triphala, yucca root and licorice root all one part. As for dosage I recommend a 1/3 teaspoon of formula 1 and a 1/2 teaspoon of formula 2 three times daily at least 20 minutes before meals. On the second formula it would be safe to take a fourth dose daily if possible. Some people find it hard to do three times a day let alone four. Your help is so very appreciated. Thanks again! You are welcome.
If you stick to the powders on formula 1 then 2 parts each of the frankincense and myrrh and one part of the nettle root.
For formula 2 suma, chaga and nettle leaf 5 parts, astragalus 3 parts, nettle root 2 parts, the triphala, yucca root and licorice root all one part.
As for dosage I recommend a 1/3 teaspoon of formula 1 and a 1/2 teaspoon of formula 2 three times daily at least 20 minutes before meals. On the second formula it would be safe to take a fourth dose daily if possible. Some people find it hard to do three times a day let alone four.
Awesome! I really appreciate your help. Thank you so much Hv!!!
When you say "parts", I hope you mean by volume, right? It's more convenient for me to measure by volume than by weight.
On the second formula, can it be taken 2/3 teaspoon 3X daily instead of 1/2 teaspoon 4X daily (both of these will amount to 2 teaspoons a day)? Four times daily is hard to do.
What are the storage requirements for chaga? Does it need to be refrigerated because it's a mushroom? Does it easily go stale?
Lastly, I'm wondering about the quality of the herbs I'm getting from ForestRx.com. Their 4:1 turmeric concentrate doesn't taste as strong as the usual turmeric you can buy from the supermarket. Do you think this is an indication of low quality? I would think that the ForestRx turmeric should taste stronger since it's a concentrate, but I don't know if the usual supermarket bought turmeric is also a concentrate and how concentrated it is. Do you know?
Thanks again!
If you stick to the powders on formula 1 then 2 parts each of the frankincense and myrrh and one part of the nettle root.
For formula 2 suma, chaga and nettle leaf 5 parts, astragalus 3 parts, nettle root 2 parts, the triphala, yucca root and licorice root all one part.
As for dosage I recommend a 1/3 teaspoon of formula 1 and a 1/2 teaspoon of formula 2 three times daily at least 20 minutes before meals. On the second formula it would be safe to take a fourth dose daily if possible. Some people find it hard to do three times a day let alone four.
Awesome! I really appreciate your help. Thank you so much Hv!!!
When you say "parts", I hope you mean by volume, right? It's more convenient for me to measure by volume than by weight.
No, actually you want to measure by weight. There is way too much variation with volume. Different herbs have different densities taking up different volumes. Even the grind of the herb can alter the volume. For example, an herb ground to a 200 mesh will have a different volume that an herb ground to a 400 mesh even if both are the same amount in weight. So a "part" can be a gram, an ounce, a pound, etc. So lets say herb X is 5 parts, herb Y is 3 parts and herb Z is one part then you can do 5 ounces of herb X, 3 parts of herb Y and one ounce of herb Z. If you want to make a larger batch, such as double the size then this would be 10 ounces of herb X, 6 ounces of herb Y and 2 ounces of herb Z.
On the second formula, can it be taken 2/3 teaspoon 3X daily instead of 1/2 teaspoon 4X daily (both of these will amount to 2 teaspoons a day)? Four times daily is hard to do.
Generally it is better to take smaller but more frequent doses. But there is nothing in the second formula that would be harmful at 2/3 tsp, so it can be increased to that level three times a day.
What are the storage requirements for chaga? Does it need to be refrigerated because it's a mushroom? Does it easily go stale?
No, it does not need to be kept cold. Chagas are not what you would typically think of as a mushroom. It is one of the conch mushrooms, which are woody mushrooms.
Lastly, I'm wondering about the quality of the herbs I'm getting from ForestRx.com. Their 4:1 turmeric concentrate doesn't taste as strong as the usual turmeric you can buy from the supermarket. Do you think this is an indication of low quality? I would think that the ForestRx turmeric should taste stronger since it's a concentrate, but I don't know if the usual supermarket bought turmeric is also a concentrate and how concentrated it is. Do you know?
I have not heard of the company, but you are right. A 4:1 concentrate should have a pretty strong taste.
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Lastly, I'm wondering about the quality of the herbs I'm getting from ForestRx.com. Their 4:1 turmeric concentrate doesn't taste as strong as the usual turmeric you can buy from the supermarket. Do you think this is an indication of low quality? I would think that the ForestRx turmeric should taste stronger since it's a concentrate, but I don't know if the usual supermarket bought turmeric is also a concentrate and how concentrated it is. Do you know? I have not heard of the company, but you are right. A 4:1 concentrate should have a pretty strong taste. [/Quote] Actually you've heard of them but have not dealt with them... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1849527#i Do you know where I can buy good quality herbs in bulk at wholesale prices? Please PM me if necessary. Thanks!
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Lastly, I'm wondering about the quality of the herbs I'm getting from ForestRx.com. Their 4:1 turmeric concentrate doesn't taste as strong as the usual turmeric you can buy from the supermarket. Do you think this is an indication of low quality? I would think that the ForestRx turmeric should taste stronger since it's a concentrate, but I don't know if the usual supermarket bought turmeric is also a concentrate and how concentrated it is. Do you know?
I have not heard of the company, but you are right. A 4:1 concentrate should have a pretty strong taste.
Actually you've heard of them but have not dealt with them...
I see. Yes, I forgot about them. If they were truly wholesale then I may have given some of their stuff a try. But the prices on some of the stuff I looked at were standard retail and way over retail on some. Do you know where I can buy good quality herbs in bulk at wholesale prices? Please PM me if necessary. I only know of a few companies that sell herbs to the public with good quality and prices. Starwest and Mountain Rose Herbs. But it is going to boil down to what you are looking for. Some herbs may not be available from either company.
I only know of a few companies that sell herbs to the public with good quality and prices. Starwest and Mountain Rose Herbs. But it is going to boil down to what you are looking for. Some herbs may not be available from either company. Thanks a lot Hv! I also have a question about concentrates. Say a 4:1 concentrate of chaparral. Is 1/4 teaspoon of this just as effective as one teaspoon of non-concentrate chaparral powder? Is there any active ingredient that might be lost in the process of making the concentrate?
I only know of a few companies that sell herbs to the public with good quality and prices. Starwest and Mountain Rose Herbs. But it is going to boil down to what you are looking for. Some herbs may not be available from either company.
Thanks a lot Hv! I also have a question about concentrates. Say a 4:1 concentrate of chaparral. Is 1/4 teaspoon of this just as effective as one teaspoon of non-concentrate chaparral powder? Correct. Is there any active ingredient that might be lost in the process of making the concentrate? In this type of extract the only thing lost is the fiber. In standardized extracts a lot more can be lost.