allow me to elaborate on the past observations Hv as well
I noticed that when trolls attack, they crave the attention you provide. For example, when you provide a troll with a long, explicatory response, a troll will often consider your response as serious and, hence, worthy of further trolling. As long as you give trolls attention, it is synonymous with feeding them.
In a way yes. But I respond with evidence, which they cannot refute. Granted this pisses them off more. But the goal is to make sure people get valid information, not some misguided quackery such as drinking olive oil and lemon juice will cause you to pass golf ball size gallstones or more gallstones than your entire abdomen can hold. Such goofy claims are made too often on some of these boards and people will often buy in to it if not given a different view.
However, people that do not agree with your way, or thinking, and do not attack you or your methodology, but do attack your sources of information aren't technically trolls.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how they go about attacking my sources of information. When they respond with insults, claim that I am wrong simply because they say so or post on other boards I usually do not look at with the intent to try and make me look non-credible simply because they have no real evidence to come back with then I consider this troll tactics.
But you already know this. Yet, I noticed you took the troll bait in the past and engaged in heated debate.
Yes, I agree. But for the most part I ignore most of their games. For example, I am not responding to the troll comment above even though it is a complete lie because I know the intent is to simply bait me.
Best way to handle troll bait IMO is to not fling the insults around, that's the whole reason for troll existence. Once you rage, you are trolled and give threads new life. Catch 22 is letting the troll know the troll is a troll, it often leads to troll ego boost, but it's up to you to decide based on complex trolling variables. As long as posts are - on-topic - then arguing, debating, discussing, or contibuting to a thread is within reason and not trollin'.
Question is, why are you being trolled!? Someone has it out for you? Disagree with your philosophies, politics, healing modalities, or antics?
I have found that the trolls that have repeatedly attacked me were people I had discredited their claims. For example, the majority of trollish behavior has come from supporters of "oleander soup", "liver flushing" , alkaline therapies and the Moreless protocol all of which I have discredited with real evidence. People often treat this stuff like a religion though and people generally cannot tolerate having their religions questioned. This is why I have spent so much time off of Curezone presenting evidence on other sites or through YouTube videos. This way I can present the evidence without having to deal with constant attacks or a lack of rule enforcement as I have to put up with here on Curezone. I am also addressing a lot of this in the book I am working on about alternative cancer therapies. People can choose to read the evidence of what works and what does not or they can burn the book for all I care if they don't want to accept the evidence. Presenting the evidence though these ways prevent the constant troll attacks and games.
It's absurd that we don't have non-biased moderators running around the forums with God-like powers to shut trolls up when they are blatantly off-topic consistently.
Yes, I totally agree. Unfortunately, I have found that in at least one case the moderator was acting as a troll even sending out PMs to recruit people in to joining in on his attacks against me to drive me off. Yet the WM would not do anything about the troll and erased my PMs with the evidence proving the constant TOS violations. So the problem is not just with the moderators but also the WM if the WM refuses to take action to stop the abuses.
I have been so fed up with the trolls being allowed to constantly violate TOS that I rarely come to Curezone anymore. I have found other places to post information where I am not constantly attacked for posting evidence against things like "liver flushing" and alkalinizing. I do check in once in a while to answer a few posts usually focusing on the older posts first or ones that sound like an emergency.
It's also unfortunate that so many posters that I really liked and we had a great interaction already left permanently because of the trolls taking over.
Points to remember, stay calm and don't fight fire with fire to make the fire burn brighter. Find some way to compliment their argument and get them to validly join the discussion. The other option is to ignore them, completely, or block their constant flame wars.
I have been working on it. Sometimes it is really hard though to not respond when you know the troll is posting a complete lie about you to cover their own asses and to make you look bad.
You can use some http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html
Thanks, I don't have time to read all that right now but saved the link to read later when I have more time.
But trolls don't use normal reasoning skillz. You can seem like a troll for pointing out fallacies too, it is best to use plain boring language in those scenarios.
Not really clear on examples you are referring to here. When I try to explain something to people I do try to keep it in layman's language as much as possible. Even explaining what a study is saying since many people do not know how to read or comprehend studies. Even in my book I am referencing the book heavily to help prevent arguments but I am also explaining the findings of the studies and the reasoning behind them. So this is where I am not clear on what you are saying. I don't see explaining findings, errors or a concept as being trollish.
i hope u found this post interdasting
Yes, interesting and a good reminder about not feeding the trolls. Thanks.
Wait ---
I'm confused. wasn't it Hverigerti who was banned from like a zillion different forums?
So that would make him the troll according to the WM, right? What am I missing here? PLZZZ help.
So confuzzzing.
Yes, I was. But not for continually violating TOS like some here on Curezone keep getting away with. I was banned because I kept providing evidence that many claims were false. I was banned from the Cancer Support forum for example right after providing a lot of evidence for the existence of cancer viruses, which the moderator did not like. Especially since I did it right after he posted that he did a Google search and could not find any evidence whatsoever. I cannot help it if his research skills are lacking, but it is not a TOS violation to provide evidence to claims.I was banned from the Moreless forum for questioning his claims as has everyone else who ever questioned his claims. Uny banned me from her forum for pointing out that what she was recommending was no more natural than some of the stuff I recommend after she had a fit over my recommending a supplement she did not consider natural. I was banned from the alkalinity forum after posting the ways the body maintains its pH, which is why we rarely see acidosis. And the WM banned me from all the debate forums even though I was following the rules and was the only one actually debating (presenting evidence to back my claims). The WM caved to political pressure from the trolls who were attacking me and banned me from the debate forums because I was exposing so many fraudulent ideas that were being presented here. Go see what happened right afterward. The trolls went on a rampage starting entire threads dedicated to attacking me in clear violation of the Terms of Service (TOS). Yet not one of the trolls were banned nor any of the violating posts removed by the WM. Again, I was banned due to politics, not because of TOS violations. Even on the debate boards you are only allowed to post supporting posts the moderator of the forum agrees with, which is why people keep getting and repeating the same old misinformation. And why alternative medicines are not going to be taken seriously. I have worked for decades trying to get alternative medicine legitimized. But all it takes is one bogus claim such as "I passed a baseball sized stone from my liver with a 'liver flush'" and that is what the allopathic supporters are going to home in on to show alternatives are quackery. Just look at how many studies have been done on the benefits of vitamin C for example. Yet what study made the news? The one that claimed vitamin C increases the risk of heart attacks. This is was a misinterpretation of the findings of the study. It still is an excellent example of the desire of allopathic supporters to look for even the slightest quackery or false claim to attack alternative medicines. And when the trolls prevent corrections to false claims so that the same misinformation keeps getting repeated they just give the allopathic supporters more ammunition. It also discredits Curezone as a credible source of information since only one point of view is allowed even when there is solid evidence to the contrary.
Thanks though for giving me the opportunity to explain what really happened since the trolls have spread so many false rumors about why I was really banned. Hopefully this post will clear up the rumors.
Not meant to be inflammatory but why not get your own site with forums and putting time into that instead of expending so much energy repeating what doesn't work for you on curezone?
That comment really reminds me of the comment often made of America, love it or leave it. I have always hated that statement because it goes against what America is about in the first place. In America we are supposed to have the freedom to change what is wrong, and America started because of the need for change. So to say love it or leave it is to say you need to put up with all the problems including rampant government corruption or get the hell out because we are happy with a corrupt government. If people want to live where the government is corrupt and they are not supposed to speak out against problems then they need to get out and move to some communist or dictatorship run country.
Curezone is no different. I have been asking that the rules of Curezone actually be enforced and enforced equally. What is wrong with that? Yet this is why I was banned from all the debate forums for speaking out against a few powerful trolls here on Curezone that in essence run Curezone.
Yes, I could go away. But I came here to help people in the first place. And to help people the people need to be able to hear facts, not repetitive proven wrong BS. For example, how many times do we hear the myth that Warburg claimed cancer resulted from a lack of oxygen? Warburg never claimed that and the fact is that both healthy cells and cancer cells rely on both glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation as means to produce energy. Or the claims of passing golf ball to baseball sized stones during "liver flushes" when this is physically impossible even if you took a truck load of magnesium to relax the ducts. People read this garbage though and decide to try it sometimes with disastrous results. This is one of the problems I have had with Curezone. They consider "support" to only be encouraging others even if it is wrong. In my mind support includes warning of potential dangers and providing evidence to the contrary if claims are being made up to prevent people from being harmed. If all your friends told you that you should car surf because it is perfectly safe and they have done it is that support? Or is it support if someone warns you that people have been injured and killed trying to car surf?
Tell me, what do you want of Curezone? Do you want it to be a place where people can come to get legitimate health information or to keep it as the wild west of health information? And what are doing to ensure that Curezone is that way?
"Yet this is why I was banned from all the debate forums for speaking out against a few powerful trolls here on Curezone that in essence run Curezone."
Wrong: You were banned from those forums because you were abusive toward innocent posters. I will never forget the PM I received after you had ridiculed, insulted and abused a perfectly innocent poster who was genuinely seeking help in a support forum:
"Because of that jerk, whoever he is, I am uncomfortable posting on the Forum. I don't want him twisting my words to further his agenda. I just wanted to ask you a couple of things, if you don't mind."
Wow! Is that your idea of offering support? It sure sounds like you helped her.
"Yes, I could go away. But I came here to help people in the first place."
Mission accomplished! Bye!
Im sorry but you are a complete idiot with you argument about it being American and being able to change things. Correct me if I am wrong
OK, I will correct you. It was an analogy.
Hope you feel better now that you got all that off your chest even though much of it was way off base.
Of course, when Merle did that song and others like Okie from Muskogee he had not yet been turned on to smokin' doobies by Willie Nelson. After that happened, Merle grew a beard, let his hair down and they DID smoke marihoona in Muskogee and he was more into singin' about being tired of the dirty old city than he was into being mostly a redneck.
LOL!! Looks like all my old friends have crawled out of the woodworks.