I started taking ACV + DE ten days ago. I have a history of gout. I haven't had it for 3 years but now I'm having an attack again. Is it because of the orthosilicic acid produced in the ACV + DE mixture? Does orthosilicic acid cause an increase of uric acid levels? I've read that beer contains orthosilicic acid and is good in that respect, but beer is bad for people with gout. Is it because of the orthosilicic acid in beer?
No, it is not the orthosilicic acid. It is the purines in beer that cause the problem. Distilled vinegar is considered low in purines. Raw vinegar though will still contain the yeast used to make the vinegar and yeasts are high purine sources.
On the other hand, is it possible that orthosilicic acid was actually dissolving and pulling out uric acid crystals from my joints, causing a healing crisis that manifests as a gout attack?
No, but it can help repair the damage.
I have stopped taking the ACV + DE. If I decide to try it again, can I avoid having a gout attack by drinking plenty of water so the excess uric acid gets flushed out in the urine?
That may help. But there are a lot more causes of gout than simply high purine diet or lack of water. Some other factors include alcohol intake, hypothyroidism, some medications, hemolytic anemia, etc.
By the way, I have been taking Soy Protein Powder, He Shou Wu, and ACV (with no DE) for a long time without any problems. Recently I added DE, Oat Bran Powder, Triphala, and Dulse to my supplements. I also began eating raw mung bean sprouts as part of a salad lately. Do any of these raise uric acid levels to an extent that could be the possible cause of the recurrence of my gout?
Seaweeds, like dulse, can aggravate gout.
Also, what do you think of the connection between sugar/fructose consumption and gout as presented here:
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/10/05/gout/
Fructose consumption does increase uric acid levels.
I've been fond of fruits, both fresh and dried. I have also been taking Black Strap Molasses, Cinnamon + Honey (2:3 mixture), and a little dark chocolate (72% cacao). Should I avoid these since they all have fructose?
Yes. Chocolate also raises uric acid due to its xanthines like caffeine.
My foot hurts so bad, it's killing me. I hope you could help!
For starters increase your water intake. The malic acid in magnesium malate tablets will also dissolve uric acid. You can also soak your feet in as hot of water as you can stand to help dissolve the crystals.
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Seaweeds, like dulse, can aggravate gout.
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That sucks. I just bought 3 pounds of Dulse. Are seaweeds high in purines? What is it in seaweeds that can aggravate gout?
Seaweeds are considered high in purines.
On the other hand, I read somewhere that Dulse has elements to eliminate excess uric acid from the body. There's no truth to that at all?
Yes, there is some truth to this as well. In fact, you will find various sites recommending seaweeds in general to treat gout. The reason is that hypothyroidism can contribute to increased acid levels. And dulse and other seaweeds can address some causes of hypothyroidism. Keep in mind though that not all cases of hypothyroidism involve a lack of iodine, and too much iodine can actually aggravate Hashimoto's thyroidosis, a form of hypothyroidism.
So there are other factors that can be involved. Small amounts of dulse can still be ingested, but you need to counter the uric acid somehow such as more water and malic acid. Nettle leaf, juniper berry, celery seed, and avoiding alcohol can also help with keeping uric acid levels down.
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Small amounts of dulse can still be ingested, but you need to counter the uric acid somehow such as more water and malic acid. Nettle leaf, juniper berry, celery seed, and avoiding alcohol can also help with keeping uric acid levels down.
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Thanks, I'm glad I can still take the Dulse and it won't go to waste!
What about lemon + baking soda mixture? Since it's very alkalizing, I think it could also help to counter the uric acid which is acidic, right?
Not really. First of all the mixture would create sodium citrate, so there would not be free bicarbonate for alkalinizing.
Even if you took the baking soda straight the baking soda would be neutralized by the stomach acid forming sodium chloride. And the neutralization of stomach acid would lead to all sort of other problems from nutrient deficiencies to infections. If you took an excess of baking soda then some would get in to the bloodstream acting to neutralize some of the uric acid, but you still run in to the problems that a lack of stomach acid would present.
Lemon juice itself is not alkaline. It stimulates an alkaline response in the body by stimulating the release of bicarbonate in to the bloodstream. On the other hand lemon juice does contain some malic acid, which dissolves uric acid. So the lemon juice in water is good, but I would leave out the baking soda.
I'm surprised you didn't mention cherries and red cabbage. They are rich in anthocyanins which I read is good for gout. Are they not really that effective?
Never seen any evidence that red cabbage will do anything for gout. Tart cherries do help with gout, but not from the anthocyanins. Tart cherries are high in malic acid, which dissolves uric acid.
Anthocyanins though are anti-inflammatory and can help control the pain of gout.
So malic acid is the key to stopping gout. Thanks, Hv!
Malic acid will dissolve uric acid, so it can help control gout. It does not address the base causes of gout. There are a number of things that can cause gout such as certain medications, high purine intake, use of alcohol, hypothyroidism, etc.
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You can also soak your feet in as hot of water as you can stand to help dissolve the crystals.
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Would it make it better and more effective if I add epsom salt to the water? I see some sites recommending this.
It really does not matter. It is the heat that increases the solubility of the uric acid.
Hi Hv, I take apple cider vinegar (ACV) daily, pouring two tablespoons of it from its bottle into a glass of water. I would like to know if it's a good idea to add some diatomaceous earth (DE) to the ACV in the bottle so that the DE will react with the ACV to form orthosilicic acid. (It's much like the way you add DE to a gallon of water in a jug.) Then I can take the ACV as usual, but now it has orthosilicic acid, which makes it even better. Seems like a good idea to me, but I'm not sure if there are any downsides or adverse reactions, so would like to confirm with you. Please let me know what you think.
Yes, that will work and there are no dangerous interactions.
Great! Aside from adverse reactions, one of my concerns was the possible formation of mold if you mix ACV and DE, but I have this bottle that's been three weeks now and still no mold so far.
If the solution becomes too alkaline from dilution by water then the risk of mold formation increases.
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If the solution becomes too alkaline from dilution by water then the risk of mold formation increases.
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There's no water added. I just add one tablespoon of DE to a bottle of ACV. Over time, this mixture produces more and more orthosilicic acid. Now, whenever I want to take this mixture, I shake the bottle to disperse the DE that has settled at the bottom. Then I pour two tablespoons from the bottle into a glass of water and drink it. This way I am able to do two things: I get the orthosilicic acid produced from the mixture as well as the DE powder (which is useful for killing parasites in a "mechanical" way).
Since the ACV + DE mixture in the bottle is acidic, I guess I shouldn't have to worry about the mixture forming mold then.
Mixing the diatomaceous earth straight in to the vinegar was a great idea.