Copper Detox 
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I started copper detox 2 weeks back with zinc 44 mgs every meal and added molybdenum later. I am upto about 200 mcgs per meal of molybdenum. I've NOT been maintaining good sleep times and the best diet during this detox. Looking back, some of it could be because of the insomnia from the detox. I've crashed a bit and stopped zinc for a couple of days. I've been crashing easily because of the detox. My muscle spasms (dystonia) got worse though and my obsessive mind/racing thoughts... i think its a symptom of copper flushing out. How about taking non-stimulating glandulars for Adrenals?
I do have a poor liver function (gilbert's syndrome-high bilirubin) and I don't think thats helping. I think I should have started with supporting the liver (methylation and sulfation?).
I started NAC 300mgs 4 days back and tried to up to 600 mgs last night and I felt a little bit of panicky feeling and like I was hypersensitive. So I am backin off it.
Is there anything better than NAC?
I am gonna hit restart and start with the basics, the diet in the book and supporting the adrenals. I will get my serum copper and ceruloplasmin tested soon.
If cost is not an issue, is hair analysis test better or these above tests?
I am pretty sure I have higher levels of estrogen, which is also present in men. I still have to research that whole thing.
Any comments would be appreciated!
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- Re: Copper Detox Laredo7
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This is a reply to # 1,872,439Hi, I definitely got worse before I got better...all my symptoms intensified....I also was using mag citrate which was flushing out my liver and during the detox I used to go number two like 4 times a day....the copper dumps would make me feel hot, anxiety, and my thoughts would race, stiff neck etc. Then I would go to the bathroom and things would calm down until my next dose of zinc and it would start all over again....now I take Zinc without any effects at all....But I am also 4 months into the detox
- Re: Copper Detox zed12
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This is a reply to # 1,872,455Hey thanks for the response. I will first stabilize and then start half the zinc dosage along with supporting the liver.
BTW, Do you know whats teh difference between methylation and sulfation? If you have any links you can point me to, that would be great!- Re: Copper Detox Laredo7
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This is a reply to # 1,872,525I don't really have much info on those things but just so you know diet is very important for the detox....if you keep eating grains and things that lower zinc and raise copper it will be a vicious cycle...
- Re: Copper Detox zed12
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This is a reply to # 1,872,527Yeah you know, I just found it difficult to not eat grains because its such a major part of my heritage.
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I'm going to be trying this as well. I've got a few dark spots on my face a lots of them on my arms over the last couple of years. After reading "Why am I always so Tired?" and taking the questionaire, I'm sure copper toxicity is part of my problem.
I've been slowly switching over to low copper foods for starters. I'm taking liposomal glutathione. I have not yet started NAC. Probably in few days.
My liver was working great for about 4 months. I got better after I started Buteyko. However, the tennis and sex a few times seems to have stressed my system and created a bit of a crash.
Now I'm having lite beige bowel movements again.
The seriphos is doing a fanastic job of knocking down my high cortisol. Sleeping better again. We'll see how to copper detox goes.
By the way Laredo, I went to a mineral pool myself today in Saskatchewan. Very warm and relaxing. I think I'll skip my magnesium oil this evening....I'm sure I got enough.
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- Re: Copper Detox Laredo7
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This is a reply to # 1,872,526I've been to the mineral springs 3 times now for a total of 8 days....it's truly amazing. i can tell you honestly that 90 percent of my symptoms are gone or greatly reduced now at 4 months into the detox....the only thing that crashes me now is emotional upset i.e. fighting with my BF which i really try and curb but we are dealing with a meddling mother in law issue which makes this hard but we are both being open and he's seeking counseling so it looks good:) (says the eternal optimist;)
i do eat grains now occassionally but in the beginning my diet was strict and i do mean strict..i wanted to get better badly and was willing to do anything to get there....and yes i suffered that first month but i knew in my heart i would get better and the change was just so dramatic by month 2 that i knew i would never go back....
ps i had/have dark brown spots and freckles all over my arms and torso that sprung up in the last 4 years...they are fading with the detox and my stretch marks are gone too....our bodies are miraculous- Re: Copper Detox feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,872,603
" i had/have dark brown spots and freckles all over my arms and torso that sprung up in the last 4 years...they are fading with the detox and my stretch marks are gone too."
That's great. My spots WERE going away during the 5 months I was feeling great. I wasn't specifically focasing on detox, just lots of meditation and Buteyko.
Seemed like my adrenals, liver, etc started working better and I was detoxing. At the start of it, I was having 2-3 large brown completely digested bowel movements per day. Now at am back to 1 lite colored movement per day with some undigested food.
Looking forward to adding the detox approach to see if that will help. Your experience with it is inspiring.
- Re: Copper Detox Laredo7
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This is a reply to # 1,872,645Feo I really think using high levels of vitamin C lowered your copper levels for a while....it does that but not as well as other supps....did you find that after lowering your C your symptoms came back a month or so later? Or the C could just not be a strong enough chelator for you anymore.....
Taurine will really help the light stools along with NAC- Re: Copper Detox feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,872,676
Possibly, but I was one a high dose of vitamin C and Taurine for a long time and was still having lite bowel movements. Like a year.
The timing of when I this went away was about a month after I started Buteyko. It boosts oxygen to all cells so things start working better, including the liver. It is very common to have a cleansing reaction with multiple bowel movements when you raise your oxygen levels with Buteyko, just like this poor guy in the stock photoIt is used as a treatment for CFS on it's own.Things were going great until the tennis and sex. Then I started hyperventilating at night again due to the stress signaling and high cortisol, which leads to reduced body oxygen, as measured by Control Pause.There are probably a few ways to get to the same result. Coming at it from multiple angles is probably a good thing to do.This is why I'm excited to try chelating as well. I'm never really focused on it specifically. Possibly the Vitamin C and Taurine was helping, but I was still eating a ton of high copper foods. I used to snack on nuts non-stop all day long.- Re: Copper Detox ring5100
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This is a reply to # 1,872,733Myself too. I had no idea nuts and seeds, except for Pumpkin seeds, were very high in copper. Otherwise they are so good for you.
So may I ask, did it take some time with the Buk. breathing for some substantial results?
I recently started too into a slow, but gradual chelating program for the copper. My hair anyl. show I am a very slow oxidator and very high calcium, indicating high copper ( bio-unavailable).
So far,I have cut about 90% of the high copper foods out. and taking fairly low doses of zinc, 22mg. once ro twice a day, so see how I feel. Next, I will start on GB-3 which has several ingrediants, one of which is black radish, sort of a precurser as a chelator. I noticed that ARL also has Moly-cu: 100mg. of molyl. black radish and parsley.
My adrenals are still pretty bad off, so my last consideration would be the NAC. Also, I read from Life Extention, that B-6, B-12 and Folic acid help indirectly too for copper elimination.
Paulette- Re: Copper Detox feo66
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Hi Paulette,
It actually did not take that long for me to see an change from Buteyko. I practised particularly intensely for a couple of days and then all of a sudden, I was sleeping through the night like a rock and waking up a 4:00 am completely refreshed. The my anxiety complete stopped.
What is your morning CP? Has increased?
Do you ever pick up a copy of this book on Buteyko
http://www.amazon.com/Close-Your-Mouth-Buteyko-Handbook/dp/0954599616/ref=sr_...
This book is a must read for copper toxicity and adrenal fatigue
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Always-Tired-Correcting-Breakthrough/dp/0062515942/...
As noted in the book (and experienced by Laredo7), the copper dumps may make you feel worse before you feel better.
I’ve already noticed my mind racing a little more, some headaches, a little bit of anxiety. So far, all I’ve done is 100mg per day of zinc and 500 mg NAC, 400 mg Taurine
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This is a reply to # 1,872,455btw....I'm actually considering contacting the lady that wrote the book and getting her to help me through the copper detox.
She does consults.
Sometimes I get tired of doing all this research :(
Just looking for some guidance to make sure I know what to watch out for and someone to ask questions.- Re: Copper Detox zed12
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This is a reply to # 1,872,539Thats a good idea.
Yeah, I get tired too. There is so much stuff to sort through and new information keeps coming up. Keep us updated.
- Re: Copper Detox Vegeta
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This is a reply to # 1,872,542I started 1 gram taurine powder 3 days ago (taken on empty stomach 2x daily) to improve bile flow. My stools don't look pale anymore. I'm going to start with the zinc and molybdenum tommorow alongside the taurine.
I just want to get rid of this insomnia which may be due to copper overload and estrogen dominance (yes, I'm a guy!) due to a congested liver caused by stress.
The taurine is causing me to urinate more frequently though, guess that's the sodium being dumped out of my body which is a good thing as I have high sodium levels too, again due to copper overload/retention.- Re: Copper Detox Laredo7
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This is a reply to # 1,872,598i had high sodium for a while too, then low, now it's normal.
taurine is awesome for bile flow which is essencial for us in the detox...
my insomnia went away after the second month of the detox...i only occasionally wake in the night now and it's only after a majorly emotionally stressful few days (which i had last week) but i bounce back super quick....i'm still staying true to the detox and using almost all of the supps that i was in the beginning and i get better and better all the time...i think our bodies want to be well and strong but when they get overloaded they can't function properly and every component of the "machine" begins to malfunction....fix the offending component and everything else starts to work again....- Re: Copper Detox Vegeta
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This is a reply to # 1,872,605BTW, which form of zinc are you taking? Picolinate, gluconate, optizinc or some other?
- Re: Copper Detox Laredo7
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This is a reply to # 1,872,613I use piccolinate in a powder form capsule...make sure you don't get one that's made from rice or grains
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- Re: sodium level...Copper Detox zed12
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This is a reply to # 1,872,605I am taking 500 mg taurine x2 a day. My BMs are darker but it varies. I am also taking a split NAC capsule of about 300 mgs.
How does one check sodium levels? I crave salt and salty things. Is that an indicator?
- Re: sodium level...Copper Detox feo66
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This is a reply to # 1,872,795Craving salt is one key indication. Aldosterone is usually low due to "pregnenolone steal" and in late stage, pregnenolone is low, so there isn't much to steal.
That is why those with Adrenal fatigue are so dehydrated. Low aldosterone --> Low sodum -> poor fluid retention.
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