Niacin experience 
pago
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Hi,
Today I took my first dose of 100mg together with 1500mg niacinamide.
Not much happened so I layed down and one hour later I had very intenese stomachpain at my lowest left rib. After 3 minutes it was over and the flushing started at the same time.
Most of my face got red, the inside of my biceps, parts of my back, legs and butt. The most flushing happened at my elbows though, it felt like a full blown sunburn.
Another interesting discovery I made was that my tongue formed two small spots, oval or almost round with no coating, unlike the rest of my tongue.
PS: I didn't use no-flush, next order will be inositol hexaniacinate. Also I ran mold+mold toxin once the flushing began.- Re: Niacin experience Newport
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,036The flush is a histamine reaction to the toxins uncovered by dilating your blood vessels.
All that toxin is dumped into your Liver at once which is why one MUST use inositol hexaniacinate until clear enough.
Anyhow I know people that didn't listen and took 500mg, at that point you better have anti-histamine handy and do a Coffee-Enema shortly after to clear the liver.- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
13 y
3,810
MoreThis is a reply to # 1,851,058I take 500 mg of full flush Niacin, at least once a day, sometimes twice, and have been for a couple of years. I only get a small flush but feel fantastic afterwards. My cholesterol has normalized, blood pressure is much lower, and I am far healthier for it.
The best way to ease that histamine burning is to take an aspirin about 20 to 30 minutes before. Bromelain works but possibly not quite as good. Quercetin also helps reduce the histamine reaction.
I actually do NOT recommend taking the Full flush Niacin and nicotinamide at the same time. There is not a lot of difference between the histamine reaction for 100 mg and 500 mg.
In the best study ever, 3000 mg a day reduced mortality from ALL causes by 90 percent, but always be under the observation of a knowledgeable medical professional if you do this.
- Re: Niacin experience - EDIT Newport
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,081The point is that one can reduce that toxin load with time release niacin and niacinamide. After that and once Liver phases are in synch I am all for the L. Ron Hubbard's 3000mg per day.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1837221
- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,093>- one can reduce that toxin load with time release niacin and niacinamide.
Yes, it can work that way and I tried it first. Quit after a while because I did not feel that the benefits were there. Once I read the scientific studies, I realized that the majority of the benefits came from the flush itself. It only took a few days to remove most of the toxins and after that, there was reduced histamines but the flush and other benefits were still there.
>- After that and once Liver phases are in synch I am all for the L. Ron Hubbard's 3000mg per day.
Hmmmm, he must have read the same scientific study that I did, in which almost 8000 participants had a 90 percent reduction in mortality over expected. Basically, in that group, there was an expected mortality of 60 deaths per year, but there was an actual mortality rate of only 6! Not only that, but the study lasted 10 years, continuing with the same results. Even better is the fact that a follow up was done 10 years after the study ended and guess what? The reduced mortality continued even after the study was over for 10 years!
Also, folks might need to know that taking the niacinamide and / or inositol hexanicotinmate increases the risk of liver damage due to the constant load produced rather than a quick flush that soon subsides.
I do recommend inositol, but as IP6 ( inositol hexaphosphate ).
- Re: Niacin experience Newport
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,137The benefit comes from the livers ability to handle the toxins. Niacinamide is the key to it all, those with serious issues should be using only that to adjust liver phases.
The key is to metabolize the toxins..same thing that makes it dangerous to start by dumping more toxins into a toxic out of phase liver.
I am sure you can find pages on Medico Mafia jibberish on the dangers of Niacin, you can start right under the heading of Scientology I provided in the first link.
In short for your NAD and NADH cycle to work better nearly everyone needs more Niacinamide than Niacin.
- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
13 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,851,173Then why, after a month on Niacinamide, then changing over to Nicotinic acid ( the real Niacin ), do you still get the flush? Because Niacinamide is not as good as Nicain and tests prove it.
Niacin is transported across the capillary walls faster and across the cell membranes faster. Yes, once it is inside of the cells, it is easily and reversibly converted to Niacinamide, but the Niacin is faster, more efficient, and produces over-all better results.
Your everyday cheap off-the-store-shelf vitamins have Niacinamide as they are produced by your Medico Mafia.
Again, the study in which almost 8000 patients took 3000 mg of niacin daily for 10 years showed a 90 percent reduction in mortality. The expected mortality was 60 patients per year from heart attacks alone while the actual was 6 per year from all causes! Sorry, Niacinamide will NOT produce the same results. The most astounding result was from a followup study that was done on the same group 10 years after the initial study ended. In the followup study, it was found that the mortality rate was still reduced by 90 percent 10 years after the study was done.
Niacinamide will produce a 15 percent reduction in mortality while Niacin will produce a 90 percent reduction in mortality.
Hmmm, mathematics, 15 percent? 90 percent? 15 percent? 90 percent?
- Re: Niacin experience Newport
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,436Not sure why this continues, for some reason you seem to think I am against large dose Niacin.
Anyone able to take 3g of regular Niacin ala Hubbard and not need liver help or die should go on doing it. Believe I have said something to that effect 3 times now...
Not sure why I need to continue agreeing with that point while warning those that have massive toxins and Liver phases out of synch. Plenty of people can't get past 300mg per day, and that is spread out into 3 doses not a single one.
- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,440I agree with most of what you are saying except for the scare tactic:
>- and not need liver help or die should go on doing it
Interesting that in that 10 year study of almost 8000 participants, only 3 needed to be removed due to liver difficulties. That is a very low percentage. Compare that to statin drugs or blood pressure regulators. From what I have read, the damage rate from nicotinamide is higher than that for the niacin. If you have data that dispels that, please post it. I would also like to interject that most liver problems that result from niacin are actually due to co-medication.
Anyone taking either Niacin or Nicotinamide should check any medication that they take for conflicts. Personally, I prefer to take Milk Thistle and N-Acetyl Cysteine to keep my liver in the best condition.
I understand that the flush, for some individuals, is intense with only 100 mg but the point that I am making is that the flush with 500 mg is only a bit stronger but it gets enough of the histamines and prostaglandins outof the system that the next round is a little bit less strong. Taking 100 mg 3 times daily just does not completely dispel all of it.
If I take 500 mg in the AM, i get a flush about 50 percent of the time but it often only lasts about 5 to 15 minutes and if I take a second dose at lunch or dinner, no flush.
The first week of full flush niacin, I did get some royal flushes but at 500 mg daily, it has reduced significantly. I do accept that everyone is different.
The one problem that I see with many on these forums is that often people do not stick with things. If they do not get immediate results or they feel some discomfort, they just move on.
In the end, I am not posting this to be argumentative but to insure that everyone has a chance to find the advantages and disadvantages of both forms of B3. Either way, I believe that the RDA for most vitamins is pure bunk.
- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
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- Re: Niacin experience Newport
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- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
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- Re: Niacin experience Newport
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- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
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- Re: Niacin experience - EDIT Newport
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- Re: Niacin experience pago
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This is a reply to # 1,851,058I talked to a friend today and he said elbows were the most flushy with him as well. Do you know why they store more toxins? Maybe there is more fat or less blood in this area...
- Re: Niacin experience Newport
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,211It changes, back when I was building up to large doses of Niacin the location of the flush changed all the time.
Then I ran into Rift Valley fever virus (RVF) and while running that it made a huge diff when I had large doses of Niacinamide ala Andy Cutler.
//www.curezone.org/blogs/fm.asp?i=1570125
A bit more research and dowsing and it turns out that stirring up the crap is only half the battle.
Also the Doctrine will get rid of the BioW Ergotine which turns into LSD for mind control.
- Re: Niacin experience pago
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This is a reply to # 1,851,232From the blog "Niacinamide helps, however once the vascular system opens it is best to have some blood cleansers like NEEM"
Can I use neem with niacin, how much to keep the blood clean? I got this on hand:
http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-Neem-Leaves-100-Capsules/2017?at=0
My detoxsystems trouble me for some time now, thats why I'm a big fan of niacinamide...
>>Also the Doctrine will get rid of the BioW Ergotine which turns into LSD for mind control.
Whatta f..... You think they can activate this with haarp? Time to roll up that fake alien invasion plan again :)
- Re: Niacin experience Newport
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,243>>
Can I use neem with niacin, how much to keep the blood clean? I got this on hand:
<<
That is very good stuff, 3 Caps as often as needed...
>>You think they can activate this with haarp?
Dunno, normal byproduct of ergotine break down. Doctrine does handle both. But its past presence allows those blood vessels to shrink and hang onto toxins.
See HC about Ergot...- Re: Niacin experience pago
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,248Thanks, I hope this wipes out the cold I'm comming down with. I'm running gelsemium now which already helped a bit!
Next time I try RVF instead of niacin and see if I flush, I keep you updated!- Re: Niacin experience johng
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,257Pago- don't know if you have seen this on the doctrine...
http://theiamwork.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Doctrine
takes a lot of the guesswork out of things when "on" the doctrine. would have been unthinkable for me to treat myself without it.- Re: Niacin experience pago
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,851,269Yes I'm on the doctrine, but I enjoy running things myself very much :)
While at it, I should've run adenovirus instead of gelsemium last night, would have saved me a lot of handkerchiefs.
Also I need a sleepcoctail, my sleep/wake phases are outh of whack from the 'wheather', anybody have a magic bullet for this?
- Re: Niacin experience pago
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- Re: Niacin experience johng
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- Re: Niacin experience Newport
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- Re: Niacin experience krosser
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This is a reply to # 1,851,232Do you think it is possible to take inositol hexaniacinate, niacine and niacinamide simultaneously?
- Re: Niacin experience pago
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- Re: Niacin experience Newport
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- Re: Niacin experience parazapper
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- Re: Niacin experience elan164
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This is a reply to # 1,851,036Pago, which niacin did you get? Flush or no flush? I have the time release niacinamide in my basket already.
**Re-read a few times and figured it must be niacin no flush - inositol hexanicotinate
- Re: Niacin experience Newport
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