HV stated that "Alkaline water contain caustic hydroxides (OH)"
A hydroxide is OH-, not *OH*... *OH* is a hydroxyl... an electron makes the difference and is noted by the minus sign in OH- for the hydroxide. So the statement is incorrect. And these two molecules have very different chemical properties.
OH- can join with a *free radical* neutralizing it, while the OH IS a free radical.
I know it gets confusing to some... including apparently HV based upon the incorrect statement above.
First of all my statements WERE NOT incorrect. The whole concept of Kangan alkaline water is to make hydroxides such as calcium hydroxide, magnesium hydroxide, etc. This is from the electrolysis of mineralized waters. The reason they want you to use mineralized water to make the alkaline water is so you can form mineral hydroxides. As the water (HOH) is subjected to electrolysis the H and the OH are split. The H helps form the acidic water while the OH binds with the minerals in the water forming the mineral hydroxides.
Hydroxides are very well known for their caustic nature damaging tissues. Great examples are sodium hydroxide (lye) also known as "CAUSTIC soda", potassium hydroxide (lye, also what Drano is made from) also known as "CAUSTIC potash", calcium hydroxide (lime) also known as "CAUSTIC lime", magnesium hydroxide (used as a laxative because it burns the intestinal wall), etc. There is a very good reason that these compounds have warning labels not to contact tissues. Again it is because they are caustic, some highly so.
They are also well known for creating free radicals:
collegeofdiplomates.org/.../CaOH%20-%20interappoinment.doc
Does CaOH2 Kill Bacteria ?
YES
What Grz was referring to when he stated OH- was the hydroxyl ion, which as shown above CREATES free radicals. That is the opposite of his claim that they join free radicals neutralizing them.
To get nitpicky over whether I wrote "OH" or "OH-" is really rather ridiculous. Note I said HYDROXIDES not hydroxide, thus noting more than one. What are those hydroxides? Well, let's see there is calcium HYDROXIDE (Ca(OH)2), magnesium HYDROXIDE (Mg(OH)2), potassium HYDROXIDE (KOH), etc. Note they are not written chemically as "Ca(OH)2-", "Mg(OH)2-", "KOH-", etc. And to show what I am referring to here is the definition of "hydroxide":
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/hydroxide
"hydroxide
Any inorganic chemical compound containing one or more hydroxyl (OH) groups and generally combined with a metal. Hydroxides include sodium hydroxide (caustic soda, NaOH), potassium hydroxide (caustic potash, KOH), and calcium hydroxide (slaked lime, Ca(OH)2)."
And:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0824737.html
hydroxide (hīdrok'sīd) [key], chemical compound that contains the hydroxyl (-OH) radical.
As we can see the term "hydroxide" goes well beyond the simple claim that hydroxide is only OH-.
To go further with this, if Grz wants to be so nitpicky why did he not point out that "OH" can actually refer to the hydroxyl RADICAL as well.
Since he brought up calcium hydroxide I also want to point out that calcium hydroxide disassociates in water forming OH-:
Ca(OH)2(s) <==> Ca++ + 2OH-
which as pointed out earlier leads to free radical formation.
If you compare just the FACTS i.e. how ML was banned for "misconducts" from his posting on his own forum while we can observed ad-nauseum the multitude "misconducts" of HV on forums other than his, and seeing him un-banned, I think we can conclude that the grudges are from those "conspiring" at CZ high echelon.
And this hurts my sense of righteousness and my sense of justice ... and it brakes my little heart.
If HV had some integrity he would not have posted in the Acid/Alkaline Support Forum. Not has mush because he has no clues of what pH balance is all about, after all, ignorance can be forgiven, but more because he just does not support the principles of A/A balance, which contradicts the purposes of this forum.
Very and Extremely Sincerely
WIEL
If you compare just the FACTS i.e. how ML was banned for "misconducts" from his posting on his own forum while we can observed ad-nauseum the multitude "misconducts" of HV on forums other than his, and seeing him un-banned, I think we can conclude that the grudges are from those "conspiring" at CZ high echelon.
And this hurts my sense of righteousness and my sense of justice ... and it brakes my little heart.
If HV had some integrity he would not have posted in theAcid/Alkaline Support Forum. Not has mush because he has no clues of what pH balance is all about, after all, ignorance can be forgiven, but more because he just does not support the principles of A/A balance, which contradicts the purposes of this forum.
Actually i have an excellent understanding of pH balance in the body, which is why I was correcting some misinformation. Just because you and a few others here disagree this does not mean anyone with facts to the contrary of your beliefs should be banned. There are still people out there that believe the Earth is flat. If they post their opinion on the matter would someone be wrong for correcting the misinformation?
Secondly the post was cross posted in other forums. I generally do not even glance at the Acid/Alkaline forum for this exact reason. There are people on here who hold on to false concepts no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary. If the post had not been cross posted I would likely have never seen it.
And finally, I don't know why so many people here want to keep making these posts about me and/or Moreless when this is not what this forum is about. Being that they keep making this about me primarily shows their intent to target me for their hostility in violation of TOS, instead of discussing pH balance. Pretty ironic that these same people who are complaining about misconduct are clearly guilty of misconduct themselves by going off topic in targeting people for their attacks. So how about getting back on to topic with discussing pH of the body instead of making this a target fest against the individuals you disagree with?
This is about Moreless? And lime water?
How sad, carrying grudges against people you don't know over things that happened on an internet website long ago.
I truly feel sorry for you.
Go back and read the thread carefully. It was not about Moreless originally, and my original reponse was not about Moreless. For some reason though the trolls here are insistent on making this about Moreless regardless. I guess they feel whatever they have to do to disrupt the discussions!!!
Hv, you're under attack more than enough as it is.
I just want you to know that my comments at the start of this post were NOT directed at you. (It was another poster who suggested that you're the one out for revenge, which just makes me LOL).
Thanks for the clarification.
It's the cultists on this forum who believe in perpetuating a religion of lime water drinks that I was referring to. And they're so blinded that they call any naysayer a troll or worse. Those are the ones I truly feel sorry for. They will never forgive you for questioning their god of lime water and will hold grudges against you forever.
Yes, that is pretty clear. Especially when we see an old stalker spying for Moreless and reporting back to him then all of a sudden he pops back up to stir things up again with the same misrepresentations used before.
Kool Aid, anyone?
LOL!!! No thanks.
of course RyanD's right. there's a whole bunch of people fed up with Hv's crap. me being one of them. enough is enough. I've never seen anybody in my life so in vain, yet so rude like that character.
I am not the one posting just to attack someone.
it is still hard for this individual to accept the whipping Moreless gave him.
ROTFLMAO!!!! You really think that Moreless gave me a whooping?!!! Apparently you never actually read the posts. Should I repost some of Moreless' absolutely ridiculous claims that were so severely discredited that he ran with his tail tucked between his legs? For example how acidity turns the tissues in to a puddle of goo? Or how sunlight is acidic? Or that Candida promotes alkalinity? Should I go on? I saved so many of his ridiculous posts because they are great examples of how misinformation gets spread so easily on the internet.
And when he was challenged by anyone he called everyone challenging him the Devil since he could not respond with any evidence to back his claims either.
But that is not here nor there because the thread WAS NOT about Moreless until you decided to bring him up.
this is why he's always trolling when someone mentions lime water.
Again, the topic was not about lime water, it was alkaline waters in general.
mind you Moreless has a mile long list of testimonials accredited to his name, and lime water being huge part of it. Hv on the other hand has a same bunch of people renting every day on his ridiculous forum ( social club ) about what to use next to heal themselves. bitters silica, silica bitters, bla bla bla, but nobody came forth claiming a successful healing yet.
LOL!!! Apparently you have not read much of my forum either since a number of people have posted about their improvements.
Hv was warned numerous times that he's in TOS violation writing comments like such on a support forum.
As were the trolls that kept starting the attacks against me and the debates. Looks like the trolls are back at it.
he should be banned from this forum for good.
There are people who care about the facts, which is why I was posting about some of the misconceptions about alkaline water. Again the thread had NOTHING to do with Moreless until you brought him up. But I guess someone needed an excuse to start attacking me since they also had no evidence to the contrary of the facts presented.
Take your war and your lies to the debate forum.
Just because you do not believe in or understand the facts that does not make the facts lies.
This is a support forum where people come for support not for confusion!
Which is why I am presenting evidence to the facts to clear up the misleading confusion. That is called support, unlike your constant attacks on people.
Your crusade to discredit the different protocols here at Curezone is quite obvious and well known!
I have discredited what needs to be discredited. There are other things here on Curezone I agree with because there is a basis for it and evidence to back it up. But as you clearly pointed out the information I discredited was discredited. What you fail to realize is that something cannot be discredited unless it is bogus to begin with. So I did a lot of people a favor here by discrediting the bogus claims that were being made by certain therapies. So I am glad you showed they were bogus to begin with even if this was not your intent.
Claiming you own the truth is not what this forum is about, that is what the Debate Forums where designed specifically for!
It is not your place to define for others by discrediting the information provided by other members who freely give there time to help people in need. These people are adults, they can chose for themselves about this protocol and ask question freely. What gives you the right to be judge and jury for these other members who are here to help, nor are you needed to baby sit for those who come here looking for help, they are not children?
You are right, the people here are not children so stop trying to censor what you do not think the people here should hear. As you said they can choose what to believe for themselves based on the evidence presented.
Being a forum owner and a seller of products also conflicts with your interference in these Support Forums ! Take your debate to the debate forums!
LOL!!! You have been falsely referring to me as a medical shill for how long now? But now you find out that I actually work with alternative medicines and you still bash me even though I sell herbs, which by the way most are alkalinizing. It is clear that you are not going to be happy no matter what I say or do. But I am not going to let you drag me down in to your muddy attack fest. Again, I am here on CZ to help people, not to engage in battles with people who cannot accept facts that violate their false belief systems. I have way more than enough of doing that already here on CZ.