Gall stones from flushes have been analyzed and have the same composition as the stones found in surgically removed gallbladders. There are several older threads on this subject. There are several reasons why a person won't pass Gallstones in the flush. If stones are cleared out of the gallbladder it may take two weeks of more for the stones in the small bile ducts in the liver to collect in the gallbladder. Bile sludge can enmesh the stones in the gallbladder and until the sludge is broken up the stones won't come out. A person might not have enough bile in the bile pool to force the stones out. parasites in the bile tubes in the liver could be blocking stones from moving down to the gallbladder.

This is a debate subject.
You may like to take time a read the following document which is quite impartial. It discusses a similar stone expulsion method and gives some results.

Can the Liver Flush remove gallstones? Yes
Do all the stones from a Liver Flush come from the liver and gallbladder? This is the debate question.

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/gallstones.htm

Well, I don't think all the liver flukes that came out of me were made from olive oil, Epsom Salts and grapefruit juice :(

If you will go to the top of this page and click on everything "R" related, description, recipe, etc., that should lead you to form your own opinion. We can all stand on our heads trying to convince you, but it's really up to you to decide.

I have successfully done Liver Flushes until I did 3 Liver Flushes in a row with NO STONES!!!! using the Hulda Clark method of liver flush. It did take nearly 30 flushes to get there, but I got there.

The following excerpt from Andreas Moritz ' book has been posted several times already, it may sound convincing although it cannot claim to settle the issue conclusively or scientifically:

"Q. I read on the Internet that the stones people passed during the Liver Cleanses are just hardened lumps of olive oil. Is there any truth to this?
A. There is an effort on behalf of certain well-known herbalists, doctors and establishments to discredit the beneficial effects of the liver cleanse by stating that these Gallstones are actually "soap stones" made of olive oil or are caused by the liver in response to the sudden ingestion of large quantities of olive oil. These individuals have their own reasons for doing this, which is not for me to elaborate on. They have obviously never done a liver cleanse themselves, otherwise they would realize what these stones are made of, and what happens to their body when they release them.
1. Olive oil does not assume the putrid smell that emanates from most released gallstones. The smell is unlike that produced by fecal matter.
2. Olive oil cannot congeal into such relatively hard structures, even if it were chemically altered and manipulated in a laboratory. This is even more impossible, given the short time frame the olive oil has to travel through the GI tract and the total unavailability of any thickening agents.
3. Analysis of released Gallstones reveals that the majority contain all the basic ingredients that make up bile fluid. Organic matter may also be present. Many of these stones consist of layers and layers of old, dark green bile, something that doesn’t happen overnight. The rest of the stones are the typical calcified Gallstones found in the gallbladder. The dark-red or black bilirrubin stones some people pass during their cleanses certainly cannot pass as olive oil "soap stones".
4. The olive oil mixture does not even pass through the liver, as it would if it were combined with food. Therefore, during the Liver Flush the liver does nothing but release gallstones and bile. Neither the liver nor the small intestines can act as a soap stone factory.
5. Once the liver and gallbladder are completely clean, no more gallstones are released after ingesting the oil/citrus mixture. If these stones were indeed made from olive oil, they would also occur during a liver cleanse done after all liver bile ducts are open. However, this is not the case.
6. Due to intolerance to olive oil, some people have used, for example, clear-colored macadamia nut oil during their flushes and produced just the same green-colored stones. The same stones can be found in the bile ducts of dissected livers.
7. If stones were just blobs of olive oil, why do so many people get cured from chronic illnesses such as Asthma, Allergies, Cancer, Heart disease, diabetes, even paralysis after passing numerous ”soap stones” during liver cleanses?
8. Many people have released stones of different colors: Black, Red, green, white, yellow, and tan. Olive oil doesn’t have coloring agents in it to produce differently colored stones.
9. While always taking the same amount of olive oil during each cleanse you will never produce the same number of stones. Sometimes, you will pass as few as 20 stones during one cleanse, but other times there may be as many as 1,000.
10. People who have sent their stones in for analyzes, received reports that almost all stones are made from cholesterol and salts, identical constituents of the cholesterol stones found in removed gallbladders. Some very small number of blobs consisted of organic matter of unknown origin.
11. Quite a few individuals, including myself, have sometimes passed green cholesterol stones on the evening of the flush, even before taking the olive oil mixture. Others, who had already done several Liver Cleanses have reported stones coming out during the apple juice phase. The stones that come out on their own have no different shape, color and smell than the ones released during the actual cleanses.
12. It is conventional medicine, and not the author, that proved the presence of cholesterol stones in the bile ducts of the liver. The medical term for these stones is "Intrahepatic stones", or "Biliary stones." These green stones, made of cholesterol and some bile constituents, are, in fact, oily and disintegrate when exposed to warmer temperatures and oxygen. Cholesterol itself consists of about 96% water. These cholesterol stones are quickly broken down by destructive bacteria when released into the environment. This does not occur, however, while they are trapped in the bile ducts of the liver.
13. Plenty of photographs taken of dissected livers are in the medical archives of university clinics that show the presence of these stones in the bile ducts of the liver.
14. It is a medically proven fact that millions of people regularly pass green sludge consisting of sometimes dozens of green cholesterol stones in response to eating a very fatty meal. These stones are not composed of the oils and fats that were ingested. They are forced out of the liver and gallbladder along with the expelled bile. Unfortunately, unlike during liver cleansing, some of the stones get caught in the common bile duct or even the in the pancreatic duct. There is no difference between the stones that are released involuntarily and those passed voluntarily during a liver cleanse."
"The liver cleanse is not the result of a placebo effect. The calcified stones released by the gallbladder, usually after 5-8 liver flushes, are identical to those found in dissected gallbladders. They don't disintegrate and remain stone hard. Only semi-calcified stones may shrink in time; yet the calcified shell remains intact.
I personally suffered over 40 gallbladder attacks during a period of more than ten years, and my gallbladder was packed with stones, causing a painful, short spinal scoliosis. Since my first liver cleanse, I never suffered another attack. The scoliosis, among other health problems, vanished after my 12th cleanse. After that, none of my yearly cleanses has produced any stones, although I used exactly the same procedure. My gallbladder is completely clean and efficient now.
There are thousands of people from all over the world who have saved their gallbladders through liver cleansing. Others have fully regained their health and even saved their own lives by doing this cleanse. Those who intentionally promote or spread the strange and unsubstantiated claim that Liver Cleansing produces olive soap stones rob their compatriots and themselves of the opportunity to take care of their own health. This is something they will have to live with."

I posted this earlier. This is a link to a laporoscopic website with lots of photos of what they found in gallbladders they had removed. I have seen most of these same types of stones come out of my own body. Liver Flushing can produce a wide variety of stones over time. I hope that these photos have some credibility for you, as they were provided by physicians.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1073401#i


In addition, a few points:
1. "Green pea-shaped" objects were released into my bms when I was preparing for livers flushes - during the time that apple juice is consumed. This was days before any oil was introduced. Also, I was following Moritz protocol strictly, including eating a vegan diet during the preparation time. There was no oil at all from my diet. These stones came out on their own. They could not possibly be composed of olive oil or be "olive oil soap" balls.

2. I do not have a gallbladder, yet I have removed thousands of stones. Stones are not produced by the gallbladder, but they can become lodged there, calcified there (which is the first way that physicians can find them using ultra sound) and cause problems for gallbladder functioning. Stones originate from the liver. I can feel the stones moving in my liver, and feel the relief within 20 minutes of drinking the OO/citrus mixture. These are the larger stones, and are usually more than an inch (2.5 cm) in length. The stones come from my liver, existed before the oil from the OO/citrus drink, and are removed with the liver flush. The only real connection between the olive oil and the production of stones is that the olive oil activates a sudden, strong contraction of the entire liver, resulting in the expulsion of already-existing stones.

3. I showed some of my stones to a physician, who is a friend, and she said she had seen the same objects in the livers of patients she was operating on. These objects were found in the liver.

Just a thought - physicians who debunk the idea of Liver Flushing may not believe stones are produced in the liver, because they are only familiar with the calcified stones which show up on ultrasound. Calcified stones are usually found in the gallbladder - but not always. My physician friend was startled to see these stones, as she had seen them in the livers of patients during surgeries but didn`t know what they were. If you do not have recognizable experience or knowledge of something, you will doubt it`s existence.

Hope this helps.

pc

These stones were not made by drinking the olive oil/citrus drink while doing the liver flush.

This video is of laproscopic surgery. It is graphic. At the end, you will see photos of stones found in the gallbladder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycvwAfx3yF0&feature=related


I have removed stones which look exactly the same during liver flushing.

pc

[These excerpts taken from Andreas Moritz ' website include a personal response to skeptic naturopathic author Michael T. Murray]

"Responses to Those doubting the value of the liver flush"

Responding to detractor of the liver flush
Q. Would you comment on this article: The "Truth" about Liver /Gallbladder Flush
from Quackwatch comments?

A. This doctor seems very sarcastic to me, which makes me suspicious about his true
motivations or insecurities (often revealed by usage of such words as "disgusting"). He
certainly has never done a Liver Flush himself, which doesn't make him a good
candidate for what he is talking about. His medical explanations are one-sided and at
least partially medically incorrect or outright false. Many of these doctors are actually
employees of the pharmaceutical industry intending to curb the spread of the
alternative medicine movement. Seeing his other articles, this would not surprise me.
I have worked with the Liver Flush since the early 1990s. It certainly saved my own
life, after 40 gallstone attacks and nothing else being able to help me. My 240-page book
The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush (www.ener-chi.com) is the most comprehensive,
medically correct work in this field. It is being used and recommended by thousands of
doctors and at least a million people around the world. It also provides the necessary
information on colon cleansing in combination with liver flushing, which is very
important, as well as the kidney cleanse procedure, and information about how to avoid
making new stones, etc.

Responding to critical doctors
Q. How do you respond to the doctors who say that this Liver Flush isn't doing
anything useful?

A. I think it is their loss, believing what others say about something with which they
have no experience or haven't even tested. The idea that you can make soap stones in
the intestines was first promoted by Dr. Weil and Dr. Anderson, who had their own
reasons (liver products to sell) to discourage their patients from doing liver flushes.
With all due respect to Dr. Murray (see following), it would help him if he actually
studied medicine and learned that Gallstones do not just occur in the gallbladder but
also in the liver. Johns Hopkins University calls them intrahepatic biliary gallstones,
made mostly of cholesterol, colored pea green the same as the ones that you release
during liver flushes. I trust Johns Hopkins more than Dr. Murray in that respect (see
diagram at bottom in this link).

http://hopkins-gi.nts.jhu.edu/pages/latin/templates/index.cfm?

pg=3Ddisease&organ=3D3&disease=3D27&lang_id=3D1

If he checked the archives of medical schools and looked for dissected livers, he
would also find numerous pictures of large numbers of these stones bulging from the
liver's many bile ducts. German medicine is starting to discover this now. Many of the diseased people now undergo autopsies of their liver and doctors find these stones to be
extremely common. An old friend of mine from 30 years ago recently died of cancer
in Germany. The autopsy revealed that he had over 70,000 of these stones in the liver!
Another friend with chronic hepatitis, who died from a heart attack, had over 50,000
stones.
Now you can drink a glass of olive oil or sunflower oil without any of the other
ingredients and still pass stones (I can attest to that) because oil/fats trigger the
gallbladder and bile secretions. And if there are stones in the gallbladder (calcified or
non-calcified), they will also come out along with the bile. But this can cause some of
them to become stuck in the common bile duct and trigger a gallstone attack because
the stones were not softened with malic acid beforehand and the bile ducts were not
relaxed with Epsom Salts , etc.
It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people can believe that somehow a cocktail of
oil and grapefruit juice miraculously turns into pea green cholesterol stones, loaded
with bacteria producing putrid smells. These couldn't possibly be caused by Epsom
salts because that is gone from the stomach or intestines two hours after ingesting it.
The apple juice or malic acid is nowhere to be found 8 hours after taking the last sips on
the days of the flush. And what about the hard, fully calcified white stones many
people pass during liver flushes? Where are they coming from if not from the
gallbladder? It takes years, not moments, to make such rock-hard stones. Many people
with a diagnosis of Gallstones in the gallbladder did Liver Flushes and passed them
painlessly, and afterwards the ultrasound scan revealed no more stones. Besides, when
patients recover from chronic illnesses and pain in the body after cleaning out their
livers in this way, it makes one think, not doubt.
Before I did my liver flushes, I tried all kinds of liver cleanses, such as herbs, enteric
peppermint oil, spices (including tons of turmeric), but I did not pass a single stone and
continued having gallstone attacks (a total of 40). Just after one liver flush during which
I passed 500 stones (certainly more than half a cup of olive oil could produce), I never
had another attack in my life. After 12 flushes in the 1990s, and now 10 years later, I
have no more stones. The theory that the cleanse ingredients form stones falls apart
simply for that reason. I do the flush once every year using the exact same ingredients,
yet no stones!
It is sad that some well-respected practitioners such as Dr. Murray let themselves be
influenced and fooled by people who know nothing about the subject, without even
checking out the procedure or going through one themselves. But again, it's their loss
and the loss of those who miss out on a great healing method.

Skepticism from a naturopathic doctor

Q. Andreas-- Have you seen the attached article saying Liver Flushes do not clear out
gallstones? It seems others have investigated this situation just like I did in 1981 and
found the same thing. What is passing with the flush are NOT Gallstones – they are
formed in the GI tract. Sincerely, Michael T. Murray, N.D.

A. Michael- I am very well aware of the anti-liver flush movement and its tactics of
deception. This is one such example: There is a journalist (not a health practitioner) who
has made a niche by collecting all sorts of information and rewriting it into books. He is
a great marketing and copywriting expert who knows how to persuade people. He
follows up on anything that is popular and writes either for it or against it. His range of
topics cover what most people want to know. In this instance, he tries to divert the huge
Liver Cleansing market to his website through excellent web-marketing tools. Had he
just put out what he is trying to sell, he wouldn't get much traffic. So he posts
something that looks convincing, like a published letter in The Lancet, making it appear
to be a proven fact. However, what appeared in the Lancet is not a study that requires
peer review, but "correspondence," which is basically someone sharing an opinion.
It is naive to believe that everything written in an established journal is true. There
was actually a paper published by the Lancet earlier that showed Liver Flushes work,
and the previously mentioned correspondence letter was written to dispute that. As I
stated, to expel these intrahepatic gallstones (which consists of organic matter such as
cholesterol) and calcified gallstones from the gallbladder, you don't even need any of
the other cleanse ingredients but olive oil, sunflower oil or any other oil. Try it out for
yourself and you will see the evidence. The problem comes when the stones that are
released get stuck and trigger an attack. The other cleanse ingredients are used to
prevent that attack. Why do think so many people have gallstone attacks after eating a
lot of fatty foods? Well, they pass these same stones.
If you think that these stones, green sludge, etc. are also just products of your
digestive system, I must doubt your good sense of judgment. So, if in addition to the oil
ingested, you add citrus fruit juice (another trigger of bile secretion), and malic acid
(doesn't have to be apple juice) for several days before the cleanse, does this make the
strong bile discharge any less pronounced? No, because the fat is the main trigger. I
personally suffered 40 gallstone attacks before my first liver flush, usually after
drinking high fat milk, a fatty steak, or eggs (the number one trigger of gallstone
attacks). I don't wish a gallstone attack on you but, if you ever have one, try to
remember this tip. It can save your gallbladder and a lot of other problems.
The liver flush community is very strong in New Zealand with incredible recoveries
from chronic diseases, and the medical establishment is becoming concerned about the
competition. I cannot speak for these people and organizations; it's a mystery to me
why they have such a need to discredit other practices and methods that have helped
hundreds of thousands of people regain their health and overcome some terrible
diseases. I know that it saved my own life and that of numerous others. These people
will have to deal with what they are doing in their own heart. I wish them well.