Hashimoto's question 
cougar
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Any one here have Hashimoto's or know someone with it who has worked through it with the help of Iodine.
I just spoke with an MD/ayurvedic doc last nite about a mutual client and she told me she was a "disciple" of Brownstein initially with Iodine info, but after several bad experiences working with Hashimotos people she will not use Iodine with them, and she can work with them without it
I read Brownstein and he makes it sound like Iodine is critical in treating them....??????
Anyone got anything to share on this?????
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Re: Hashimoto's question just thinking
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,764,197I always love how iolite responds to these questions. Here's one sample --
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1718950#i
Re: Llgriffin you are spreading disinformation [EDIT]63 RR by Iolite 3 mon 297
Llgriffin...
If you actually read credible sources ie. Dr. David Brownstein -- (http://www.iodine4health.com will get you started) who has been researching iodine for the last decade or so, then you would know that iodine DOES NOT attack the thyroid. The antibodies attack the thyroid. IN FACT, adequate amounts of iodine and selenium WILL SUPPRESS the antibodies. This has been experienced over and over again by many, many iodine enlightened hashimoto's folks!
In fact, with hasimotos, if you 1)do not get adequate amounts of desiccated thyroid meds and 2) don't take adequate amounts of selenium and iodine the antibodies will continue to increase and burn up the thyroid. And 3)we are learning it may be very important to go gluten free.
I also want to point out http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com
It is a pro-iodine site run by a woman who is a patient of Dr. David Brownstein, former thyroid cancer patient and wife to a hashimoto's patient who has TOTALLY suppressed the antibodies with just iodine and selenium!! He caught the disease early and at this point doesn't need thyroid meds. If and when he gets to that point, he'll eschew synthroid (T4) for desiccated thyroid which contains T1, T2, T3 and T4.Reply FCK TinyMCE 
Iolite
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- Re: Hashimoto's question cougar
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,764,335Thanks for that JT, I will go to that site.
I am very familiar with what Brownstein says about this and his experience, and here is an example of a doc who jumped into Brownsteins wagon initially and because of some Hashi's patients who had bad reactions, she is really cautious with them now....
Now that said I don't know all the particulars and her time on the phone with me was limited and I don't want to push her too hard because this the first time we talked and we were talking about a mutual client.....so I don't want to rock the boat too much initially, especially since she might be open to sending some of her clients my way
so it brings up some important questions for me:
1 does she know how to handle detox
2 how careful should i be with certain clients and introducting Iodine.....don't want to be out of my realm of experience
3 what other supplements was she using, etc.........maybe she wasn't supplementing selenium too
seems hard to believe if she was up on Brownsteins work though......
and more question for another time....
I appreciate the conversation, so thanks for the feedback....
- Re: Hashimoto's question cougar
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- Re: Hashimoto's question #137629
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This is a reply to # 1,764,197I started to use Lugol (5%) three years ago with one drop a day and increased slowly. Before iodine, I had leg spasms at night and accompanying sleep problems. I tried many things but nothing helped except iodine. Iodine stopped my leg spasms and sleep problems.
Most of the time I used three drops a day although some days I increased it to 8 or even 16 drops. Each time at high doses I had to back off because of excessive bloating and weight gain. While on Iodine I took selenium and vitamin c. Iodine helped initially to my tiredness but later tiredness returned with shortness of breath that could have also came from low ferritin which I found out later. I am not sure though my low ferritin had anything to do with iodine use.
Until March 2010 I took Lugol first thing in the morning with water. In March I decided to take it in orange juice hoping things would get better. I continued this way for about three months. This made things worse. I felt terrible. I had sudden weight gain. My neck started to hurt and I felt burning pain all over my neck. I had my thyroid tested. FT3 and FT4 came out low side of normal, TSH about 20 and thyroid antibodies above 1000 (normal is less than 30). My TSH used to be 2.0-3.00 range. I stopped iodine. I was diagnosed with Hashimoto and enlarged thyroid with no nodules and put on synthroid. My ferritin was borderline low (10). I tried dessicated thyroid first and then synthroid for about 6 months and didn’t feel well on any of them and stopped .
I f I don’t use iodine for more than 10 days, my sleeping problems come back. I can’t fall asleep. After I take a drop or two, I can stay asleep. This alone shows I am low in iodine. After I was diagnosed with Hashimoto, I took 1 or 2 drops of iodine once a week or every other week until last November. Then I tried Lugol again daily, this time 50 mg with 200-400 mcg selenium, 3 -4 g vitamin c , Sea Salt and vitamin b complex with iron and cod liver oil. After about two months, since my neck symptoms stayed the same, I cut my iodine intake back to two to three drops a week. I still have neck pain and burning. I didn’t have this until I took iodine in orange juice. It is like my body needed iodine but thyroid couldn’t somehow handle it just in Iodide form.
- Re: Hashimoto's question Iolite
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,764,482You may have damaged Iodine symporters. Try adding the Iodine co-factors (100mg of Riboflavin and 500mg of Niacin (as Inositol hexanicotinate).
http://www.optimox.com/pics/ATP_Cofact.htm
Taking Lugols in OJ converts the Iodine to iodide, I think. Maybe the thyroid is missing the iodine. Keep taking the iodine, companion supplements and doing the salt pushes. You may need to increase the frequency of salt pushes to help flush out the bromide. Are you taking anything for the liver to help it deal with the detoxing? Milk thistle and N-acetyl-cysteine are helpful. coffee enemas are good too. You may have damaged iodine symporters. Try adding the iodine co-factors (100mg of Riboflavin and 500mg of Niacin (as Inositol hexanicotinate).
http://www.optimox.com/pics/ATP_Cofact.htm
Are you still eating gluten? It is common for hashimoto's people to have problems with gluten, even if you test negative for gluten antibodies. Gluten may be attributing to your continuing neck pain. My mother, who has hashimotos, had the blood test as well as biopsy come out negative, however she finds she has more energy when she avoids gluten. My brother, also has hasimotos, has had painful geographical tongue/lichen planus for more than 7 years. It started out as a small white patch which grew over the years. He just started going gluten free about a month and has noticed positive results already with his tongue. Hot and spicy foods are less painful.
- Re: Hashimoto's question HoHo
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This is a reply to # 1,764,632Several of my family members have Hashimotos and Celiac. I have managed to avoid it with good vitamins and later added Ioderal. But I recently read that if you have Hashimotos you need to take 4-6 Ioderal's a day (the ones with 7.5mg of Iodide).
What do you think is a reasonable amount to take and how long should I take to ramp up to it. Also, are there other things I must take or avoid in accompaniment with the Ioderall?
thanks for any help. Julie
- Re: Hashimoto's question HoHo
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- Re: Hashimoto's question [edit] just thinking
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,764,482
Yes, there is a step in thyroid hormone synthesis that requires molecular iodine. Your body is supposed to make it from iodide, but there can be hiccups, as you've found out. To get from iodide to iodine requires niacin for organification, ferritin of 90-110 that is somehow involved with TPO (unclear to me), and salt and vitamin C for the NIS (sodium-iodide symporters). I myself had a boost in thyroid activity when I increased my elemental iodine with Iodoral (or, for you, Lugol's). Take the Lugol's straight, no more in orange juice. And take it every day. As you've seen, even taking it a few times a week your thyroid still aches, so get the benefit of daily Lugol's. Get your ferritin up, which could take months of taking iron. Don't underestimate how much that could help. And I just ran across a note I'd made, that Dr. Flechas said that autoimmunity is a defect of methylation. When you increase methyl groups, such as by taking trimethylglycine (TMG), your antibodies drop.
I also belive that even if you hadn't put the Lugol's in oj, you still might have ended up with high antibodies since you have other holes in your thyroid hormone synthesis that would have eventually shown themselves. Fix these holes, reduce your inflammation (no to gluten, yes to trying TMG) and your thyroid will heal.
Oh, and one thing iolite mentions quite a bit -- getting on enough dessicated thyroid such as Armour, Erfa, will also cool the inflammation. All the iodine and supplements in the world did not tame my goiter, till I added dessicated thyroid, then everything fell into place. In the meantime, I'd raised my ferritin, taken B2 and B3, etc., etc.
- Re: Hashimoto's question [edit] #88964
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,764,750Interesting about the ferratin...that has been my obstacle although the benefits are huge with iodine. My last period was 1 week late and no clots and no cramping (actually a first in terms of the NONE). It was getting better each month but this one was the best I ever had. I think that will help with the ferratin as I don't think I lost much. I am eating all iron rich foods and take black strap molasses to boost the ferratin. Low iron seems to go hand in hand with all these thyroid issues......
- Re: Hashimoto's question [edit] #137629
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This is a reply to # 1,764,750Thanks Lolite and J T, it is always pleasure to read your messages. I will definitely consider your suggestions.
- Re: Hashimoto's question [edit] #88964
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- Re: Hashimoto's question Iolite
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