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One of the suggestions for those afflicted with A.F. is to stay asleep (or, at least, in bed) until 8-9a.m.
Myself, when 4:30-4:45a.m rolls around, I don't just want to get up, or can't sleep.., I need to get up.
Is that significant of anything? Does anyone else find it impossible to stay in bed until eight?
I would like to add that I am usually tired enough to go to bed by seven each night.
So, two common characteristics are absent; I do not get a "second wind" around 10:00p.m. and I do not find it hard to get out of bed in the morning.
Paul
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This is a reply to # 1,738,938Hi Paul,
I am also having sleep problem during AF (and gotten worse when my toothache come). At first, I tried to follow the guidelines (go to bed around 10, sleep until 9 in the morning.) However, I noticed my body just won't cooperate that way. If I tried to sleep ard 10, I still get up (go to toilet,mind very active,etc) and eventually fall asleep ard 12. And sometimes I can wake up ard 4 am and very energize. At first it was very annoying and frustrating to get my body follow the recommended sleeping hour. Even when I get to sleep, it's not the 'deep sleep', but more or less reckless sleep (and got nightmares/weird dreams).
Then finally I realized that what my body needs is a rest. So, whenever my body wants to sleep (don't care if it's in the morning or early evening), when I am really tired, I just sleep. Now I less worried if I sleep in the morning I can't fall asleep at night (since last time i tried to do that and it doesn't work). If I happened to wake up earlier, I tried to busy myself until I tired and go back to sleep. Since I was more relax about sleeping (and supported by the right nutrition), I got the quality sleep back (deep sleep, woke up refreshed). Now I don't care too much of 'rule', I just relax and sleep whenever I can. At night, if I lay down on my bed and can't sleep, I just lay down and relax and not stressing on why I haven't sleep though it's 2 a.m. already. Slowly I can fall asleep. I realized that rest is what my body needs. And it works for me so far. After months of depriving rest, now I can taste a deep sleep and wake up refreshed.
So, relax, and follow your body. What important is your body getting the rest they need. No need to stress over the ideal time, after all, our body knows what they need.
Hope this help,
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This is a reply to # 1,739,219E.R,
You mentioned "reckless sleep". I need to talk with you about that. My dreams are full of tension and/or frenetic activity. Last night, I was at a boxing school and wanted to learn how, and they told me they would not accept me as a student. Then, I realized that I had to get back home and I had to hitchhike or walk the railroad tracks for 30-40 miles.
That is an example of the tension in my dreams. I am often in the situation of "not being able to get home" or having two homes and "needing to get to the other one".
I have a feeling that although these striving dreams fraught with tension can be the RESULT of A.F., that they are adding to the adrenal burden in that my subconscious is taking what is happening in the dreamstate literally, and putting out cortisol and epinephrine at night, while I sleep.
Mainstream psychology accepts the fact that the subconscious accepts the dream as real.
If this is true, then I am wondering if my level of sleep should be addressed directly, or if proper support for the adrenals will improve both my sleep level and dream content.
Are you saying that when you made a conscious decision to be more flexible with your sleep/rest times that your level and quality of sleep deepened and improved? Did your dreams become more peaceful?
Thank you for your suggestion. I am now going to try to go back and get a little "shut-eye" around 7:30-8:00a.m.
Soon, I am going to get my saliva test results and will be able to embark on a treatment plan. Part of that plan, I think, will be to log my dreams to see if there is a change in tenor.
Paul
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This is a reply to # 1,739,529Hi Paul,
Regarding the decision, I believe it is one of contributing factors (besides the nutritional support and diet change I am taking). But whether the reckless sleep is result of AF or one of the symptoms, I can't tell for you. For me, since I am already tested for high mercury and arsenic, I noticed that having nightmare is one of the symptoms of mercury poisoning, since mercury is one of the most dangerous neurotoxin. You may want to check whether you have heavy metal toxin in your body or mineral imbalance (doesn't have to be mercury, can be others like aluminum, lead, titanium, etc.)
As much as I appreciate the role of meditation and psychological perspective (I do pray asking God to let me have a dreamless sleep; for me not having any dream is a bliss, since the dreams I am having if it's not frightening then it's weird), I realized that the toxin has the possibility to 'hijack' our neuron system and affect us emotionally: brain fog, depression, anxiety, suicidal, up to nightmares and reckless sleep. When that happened, I always tried to remind myself that it is not 'me' per se, it's just one of the awful effect of toxicity. Not easy, since most of people 'beat' themselves up of why they are feeling that bad and not having the 'right/positive' attitude (I know I did when the things went awful). It's part of my realization that if your body is in total wreck, all those 'positive' affirmation has their limitation. Accepting this liberated me so much... I am less stressful and it certainly help me to deal with AF.
The same thing applies with trying to push yourself to follow any sleep or diet guidance for AF. It supposed to be guide, not requirement. When you are stressed out in regards of sleeping/eating, it add to your stress load. Being slowly adjusting and let your body have its ways of healing is much better. What important is that you know what is the purpose of all those guidance: you get enough rest and right nutrition to help your body recover.
FYI, I have better sleep now (can get into deep sleep, previously can't), less weird dreams (occasionally now, previously almost every time I sleep-nap or at night), and less waking up early around 4. It still happened sometimes, but not as often as before. I take this as a good progress.
Hope this help,
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This is a reply to # 1,738,938Hi Paul,
I'm exactly the same as you except shifted a bit. I am usually up between 5:30 - 6 pm and am tired enough to go to sleep by 9 pm (and often do). I do NOT get a second wind if I stay up later (if I need to for something).
I also *need* to get out of bed when I wake up- I have tried lying in bed to go back to sleep and just cannot do it. I'm 40 but joke that when I'm old I'll be one of those people in bed by 6 pm, up at 4 am (my grandfather was like that).
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,739,230Water,
I am 53, but I hope to be one of those old people who have a zest for life.
Paul
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,738,938I'm pretty sure most who have low cortisol are familiar with your sleep issues. I am definitely one of them.
Either cortisol or blood glucose (can't remember which) in the body is lowest at 4 am, thats why you wake up and can't get back to sleep. I used to suffer from this a lot when I exercised too hard or ate poorly during the day.
The trick is to get up when you know you're not going to get back to sleep, do your work stuff if possible until about 7 am and then go back to sleep until 9 am. Personally I've found that I am able to sleep again at 6.30. When I (have to) wake up at 8 am and go to work I feel just fine during the day. On weekend I just go back to sleep at 6.30-7.00 and sleep as long as I feel like.
Dr Wilson in his book "Adrenal fatigue" also suggest that you wake up, do something until you can get back to sleep and then sleep until 9 am and you'll be fine.
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This is a reply to # 1,739,332Thanks, Hap,
That's exactly what I am going to do. I tried it this morning, but still felt "frazzled" or some head tension, so I put an amethyst on my third eye. It helped.
Paul
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