Riddle me this Fecal soap promoters!
How is it possible for an oil or even an animal fat to make it through the digestive tract and still be not only in tact but in convenient little balls about the same size as the bile ducts in the liver?
The bile ducts are not the size of quarters to baseballs, which are the sizes of some of the soap stones that people have photographed and posted? Actually the bile ducts are nowhere near that size.
Tell me if you will who ever may have the answer to this puzzle ,just how does olive oil become separated from this digested chyme and reform into little green balls of saponified olive oil or this so called fecal soap ?
Really simple. First of all not all the oils and fats are digested. Composition of feces:
https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/rjhutz/www/week12.PDF
Feces
1. Composition
a. water: 75%
b. solid: 25%
1. roughage (30%) of solids
a. insoluble fiber (e.g. cellulose, lignin)
- undigestible
- acts as a bowel irritant
- draws H2O out into lumen
- cleans out lower GI -- correlated with ¯ cancer of colon
b. soluble fiber (e.g. gums, pectins)
- digestible
- ¯ cholesterol concentration
- binds bile salts
- bile still needed to break-up fats
- more cholesterol converted to bile salts
- cholesterol pulled from bloodstream
2. dead bacteria (20%)
3. fat (10-20%)
- steatorrhea = fat in stools
4. inorganic material (10-20%)
5. undigested proteins (10%)
So we still have an oil/fat source for saponification.
Secondly the digestion of fats produces fatty acids. Fatty acids can be saponified:
http://www.chandlerssoaps.com/chemistry-of-soap.html
"Soap, technically, is defined as: the alkali salt of a fatty acid. It is the product that results from the reaction of a fatty acid and a strong base (alkali)."
Riddle solved.
Quarters to baseballs?? Have you ever done a L/G cleanse the only green balls I have seen are no larger then BBs larger stones are almost any color but completely green
There were no quarter or baseball size "stones" in the resultant batch collected by one of my group members. Nor were they all or even mostly green. Now, I can't tell you what the exact composition of the "stones" may have been, but I can tell you that the person who did the flush reported wonderful results.
Isn't this what its all about,the results of better all around heath with these cleanses DQ?
Certainly that is what it is all about for me. I cannot tell you what the composition of the "stones" you get from a flush may be because I truly do not know. I have speculated that they may indeed be a essentially soap stones to a great extent; however, I have also speculated that they may form around existing smaller stones and/or debris and at any rate, appear to have a definite cleansing effect that leads to reports of better health in a huge number of people.
There are simply too many people who report benefitting from liver flushes to disregard them as useless. Besides Andreas Moritz, noted health authority and trusted friend Jon Barron has had tremendous success with liver flushes in his annual cleansing program that thousands participate in.
My good friend, naturopathic PhD Marc Swanepoel, who developed the Sutherlandia OPC oleander supplement for use against HIV/AIDS and cancer, considers the liver flushes vitally important and specifically recommends the Andreas Moritz procedure. As a result, I include that same procedure as a recommended part of my suggested anti-cancer protocol.
It is hard to argue with success, and both Dr. Swanepoel and myself not an approximate success rate of about 85% in stage III and IV cancers and 95% plus in stage I and II cancers (which would likely be even higher if not for damage to the immune system and major organs from prior chemo and radiation among those who first tried mainstream treatments). Notably, while a great many cancer patients end up dying of liver failure when they go the mainstream route, such is almost unheard of for those who opt for the protocol which includes liver cleansing and other attention to keep the liver cleansed, protected and regenerated and the bile ducts open an flowing.
Thus, while will not get into the debate on exactly what the "stones" may be because I am not qualified to do anything beyond speculate, I will give my opinion that the procedure is far from being a worthless hoax and that it does provide good results for most people as far as I can tell.
DQ
but I can tell you that the person who did the flush reported wonderful results.
Isn't this what its all about,the results of better all around heath with these cleanses DQ? I guess the medical establishment can go on and on about the impossibilities of these cleanses and little balls of soap but the real fact is they obtain marvelous results from multitudes of people! That is success!
And yet mainstream medicine makes the same claims about chemotherapy. So does this make chemotherapy safe or effective?
The problem is that if one aspect of the flushes is flawed then that puts the credibility of the whole thing is question. It also puts in to question all other alternative medicines since the medical establishment is going to point out that alternatives are based on assumptions, not evidence. So it is giving the whole alternative industry a black eye. It has been proven that the bog blobs people are passing are not real gallstones, so when people keep claiming they are it not only discredits the flushes, but again also all alternatives.
Quarters to baseballs?? Have you ever done a L/G cleanse the only green balls I have seen are no larger then BBs larger stones are almost any color but completely green
That is not what people have been reporting and even posting photos of. Run a search on Google Images for liver flush and see some of the large blobs people are claiming are gallstones.
There were no quarter or baseball size "stones" in the resultant batch collected by one of my group members. Nor were they all or even mostly green. Now, I can't tell you what the exact composition of the "stones" may have been, but I can tell you that the person who did the flush reported wonderful results.
The gallbladder is not anywhere near large enough to hold what is in that jar. So those are in no way gallstones. And gallstones are very slow to form so even repeated "flushes" over several weeks could never produce that many real gallstones if they were real to begin with. So how does passing saponified olive oil constitute "wonderful results"?
So how does passing saponified olive oil constitute "wonderful results"?
Because the person who reported it said that they experienced wonderful health improvements afterwards, and, as I have previously stated here, THAT is what matters most to me regardless of the mechanisms of the flush or what the makeup of the passed materials.
So how does passing saponified olive oil constitute "wonderful results"?
Because the person who reported it said that they experienced wonderful health improvements afterwards, and, as I have previously stated here, THAT is what matters most to me regardless of the mechanisms of the flush or what the makeup of the passed materials.
So if someone claims eating blue M & Ms will make you feel better and people do this and they feel better due to placebo effect then this should be accepted as an effective alternative therapy all because what matters is that people feel better by doing this?
Are you telling me that eating blue M & M's doesn't make you feel better? Oh noooooooooooooooooo! How about green ones?
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Fears of trichinosis...
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Heavy metals in the waters has poisoned their meat
Can't eat fruits and veggies,
Insecticides and herbicides
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So you are suggesting that emulsified olive oil is extracted from the chyme and goes all the way through the small and large intestine through the rectum and reforms itself into soap stones!
I dont consider this an answer to the puzzle unless you can explain exactly how this accurs!
Anyone else care to try to solve this puzzle?
Instead of assuming that oils cannot turn in to soaps in the body look up fecal soaps in the medical journals. I have already posted the studies several times in the past and the pro-flush proponents just keep ignoring the facts. So if they really want to see the truth they will look it up themselves rather than have me keep reposting the same evidence over and over so they can just keep ignoring it. That is nothing more than game playing, not debating.
Speaking of which, for those who do not understand debating. Debating involves providing proof to your claims. For example when I posted proof of the formation of fecal sops in the body. Debating is not claiming someone is wrong without providing proof. If the pro-flush supporters want to debate then they need to provide proof to their claims. What is in question is whether or not these big squishy blobs are real gallstones even though they lack the characteristics of real gallstones. So where is the proof that these are real gallstones? In all the years of people posting on this topic nobody has ever been able to post this evidence. We don't even have to wonder why since we all know that you cannot present was does not exist.