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This is a thread that I posted on a alternative hair loss website. I'd love to see your opinion on it. Thanks.
My original experience with Iodine was great but as time goes on it seems to be getting less effective for me. I used to get a energy rush and zero scalp inflammation when taking only one drop of Iodine. Now it seems no matter what amount I take it won't produce the same results. If anything my situation has got worse, especially the inflammation and hair loss. Also, I've been waking up feeling with flu type symptoms every morning for the last few weeks.
Why has Iodine's effects worn off?.
I'm not salt loading, does this mean that I'm not excreting the halides?. Should I expect to make no progress without adding something to deal with heavy metals?. Is it heavy metals that are causing my inflammation?. How long does it usually take to completely detox?.
One thing I don't understand is how Thyroid disorders cause hair loss via DHT. What is the connection between the Thyroid and DHT. I know I probably won't get an answer for this.
Another problem I had, was bad reactions with my heart due to Iodine. A few nights ago I had extreme uncomfortable heart where it seems like it might be beating too slowly and I also had trouble breathing. I felt seconds away from fainting, my arms went numb. I had to keep tapping my chest and breathing heavily for about 2 hours. Quite scary.
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It is VERY important to salt load, take vitamin C and Bs, magnesium and selenium together with iodine; and in your case also zinc. This is the bare minimum!
Seems like you have started the detox wagon (flu like feeling), and if your body lacks one of these supporters it can be a tough ride.
All elements need to be in the right form too; real salt, magnesium in the form of malate or citrate, selenium as methionine etc. please read before you continue iodine; //www.curezone.org/faq/c.asp?a=13,281,2962
In the cases I have worked with, me included, it was always a lack of other supporting minerals that was the problem when symptoms like yours occured (heart, breathing.) When corrected the symptoms went away in a matter of days.
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This is a reply to # 1,677,638It kinda bothers me that you said you probably won't get an answer to your questions. It bothers me because you never answered Wombat's questions in your very first post here at curezone.
"Besides the hair loss, what is your health history? History of infections, Antibiotics , etc? What is your diet like? History of gastrointestinal distress? Constipation? Dental health? Mercury fillings?"
Now, to be fair, I was once 20 years old and didn't want to answer questions like that, either! I wanted to be able to continue to eat the way I was eating. But with the family history you mentioned in your past posts, for example, the eczema, the thyroid problems, diabetes...those are all indicative of a bad diet.
We MUST clean up our diets! Bad diet, plus too LITTLE iodine, well, will not prove to be too successful in the long run.
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What amounts of Iosol are you talking about when you say, "Now it seems no matter what amount I take it won't produce the same results" ?
I don't know of any direct connection between thyroid and DHT. You can lose hair by being hypothyroid, or you can lose hair by being anemic, or you can lose hair by having high DHT, or you can lose hair by being/having all three. There's probably a long list of conditions that can cause hair loss. Do you have a blood test to prove either low thyroid or high DHT? How much are you assuming is wrong with you without any backup?
Slow heartbeat can be related to the relationship among potassium, sodium, calcium, and magnesium. A slow, pounding heart might indicate a need for potassium, fast pounding might indicate a need for less calcium or more magnesium, and a weak heartrate might indicate a need for more calcium. Palpitations, or what you feel when your heart rhythm is not smooth, in my experience, indicate an imbalance of calcium/magnesium. If you're not supplementing either one, most likely you need magnesium, especially if you're fond of eating cheese.
If you try magnesium and you get worse, try calcium instead. If you try potassium and get worse, try sodium. The balance is there, somewhere.
What happened to the hump on your back? If you have low adrenal function, that could play havoc with your heartrate.
All these issues are saying you need to focus.
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This is a reply to # 1,677,747Excellent post, jt.
My past experiences included palpitations and hair loss, as well...and a potassium deficiency.
It really boils down to a proper diet, one that won't keep your body from absorbing the nutrients that you put into it.
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This is a reply to # 1,677,762I'm sorry if I came off wrong, but I said that I didn't expect to get an answer for the whole Thyroid-DHT connection because it was either too complicated or not understood.
Ginagirl-----------------------------------------------
Thanks for filling me in on that, I never understood how important the salt loading and companion nutrients are. I have been taking Selenium along with Iodine and have also been using a product called Thyroid Energy.
This is the Selenium I use:
http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Super-Selenium-Complex-100-Capsules/4366?...
This is the Thyroid Supplement I use:
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Thyroid-Energy-Thyroid-Support-90-Vcaps/843?at=0
I don't know how you guys rate these supplements, please tell me if these are good choices.
I originally got heavy detox symptoms when I first started Iodine at only one drop a day. My neck was throbbing, I started thinking differently, very emotional, hump on my back which turned out to be swelling. But, I also had zero scalp inflammation, hair loss nearly subsided (very heavy loss for 4 years) within days and I had amazing energy.
Now, taking about 12 drops 3 times daily along with about 400mcg of Selenium, those effects seem to have worn off. My hair loss has got worse than before, inflammation has become worse, energy is way too low, flu like symptoms etc.
I was confused by the detox symptoms because they seemed to have occurred, then took a rest period where I felt fine and now are back in full force.
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Sorry, I didn't answer those questions but I seemed to have answered those on a different forums many times to no avail. I've always been a healthy person, hardly ever got sick. No real infections, rarely got constipation. I'm not exactly sure if I have mercury fillings or not, but I have 2 fillings. Only problem I had with teeth was grinding during the night.
The fact I never answered the diet question was basically because I eat a relatively healthy Diet compared to everyone my age I know and I expect that rules it out. Now I know that's not how it works, so I generally eat quite a bit of bread and cheese, greens twice a day, meat nearly every day and drink only water and milk.
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I'm glad you addressed the DHT subject. In most people suffering hair loss their DHT usually isn't any higher than people without it. In fact most hair loss sufferers have lower Testosterone than those without hair loss. It's not a fact of DHT being high, rather having DHT sensitive follicles. So no, I've never been tested for high DHT.
I've never actually been diagnosed with any Thyroid condition. I've been told several times that modern Thyroid tests are very inaccurate and that my family history and current situation indicates a high chance of Hypothyroidism. I guess I have just come to conclude that I have a Thyroid disorder and after the success of the first few days of Iodine, with the increased energy and lack of hair loss that the Thyroid was definitely a factor. Now that all my previous symptoms have come back I guess I'm questioning that conclusion.
As for the heartbeat, well to tell you the truth I'm not exactly sure whether or not is was slow or fast. But honestly, most people I know would have been straight into the hospital with the symptoms I was suffering. I couldn't breath, had to keep tapping my chest rapidly and had to keep moving. I felt I was seconds away from fainting and when my arms started getting numb I got really scared. I expected you guys to blame this on detox symptoms, but got really worried when looking at Iodine toxicity symptoms having everything I was going through up there. I don't really know what to think about it. I guess I want it to be detox symptoms so I can deal with them and hopefully everything will go back to normal... I can't even remember what normal is to tell you the truth.
I understand what you are saying about those minerals. If I get a blood test will it say if any of these are out of whack?.
As for the hump, at the time I was going through this I was only after starting Iodine and was very emotional, anxious and very worried about that hump. Fact was, the hump was a swelling under my spine, which made me think it was a bone. I guess whatever Iodine stirred up caused the swelling. It's all good now, it went down within a few days.
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Sorry for the long post, but I really want to be normal, with normal energy, no inflammation/ hair loss and just be myself. I feel that those 3 days when I first started Iodine were the most myself I have ever been. I want to go back to that and believe the Thyroid is the key.
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This is a reply to # 1,677,876I guess I have a few comments.
I went back and read some other post of yours. You are taking Iosol correct?
I know some people here use it and have results, but many are using Lugol's, Iodoral or trappers skki and magnescent combo.
so that is something to consider.
I am not sure how far you are into this, 2 months? or so?
my first two weeks on Iodine two years ago, were great, I recovered from exercise better, my mood was better and energy. I was so psyched! then after two weeks I started feeling like I was getting sick, so I stopped the Iodine and felt better but then i didn't recover from exercise very well again so I chased my tail with the Iodine for a long time and then I just gave up, I figured I caught some bug and that it wasn't detox, especially since my bromide level was low on my iodine loading test, well it was 16 and less than 12 is supposed to be decent, anyway i didn't dive in enough here on this forum so I didn't get clear what was going on. so I got into Colloidal Silver and initially I felt awesome...so I must have gut bugs, which tests showed I did.....so it made sense I was killing critters, but then that wore off and I thought I was messing up my kidneys so i stopped that last fall.
then in Feb of this year I just couldn't let go of the Iodine thing so I did another test: serum /saliva Iodine to see if your transport is working , mine seemed ok but they also tested serum bromide level. This time it was quite high. OMG was it the bromide all along that created the flu like symptoms?
I have been taking Iodoral at 50-100mg/day since and I have been through some yuck: metal mouth taste, zits, hot flashes, severe anxiety, depression, fatigue, spaciness and more
after 5 months I retested my bromide and it is higher than it was in Feb! My detox symptoms are not as strong, although I seem to be into another wave of metal mouth.
So, just know that this can be a weird ride and it could take awhile. I personally think that your initial positive shifts are a really good sign of what is to come. it almost seems as if there is some lag time when you first start before the bromide/and other sh*t starts coming out.
I also just noticed the very beginnning of my outer 1/3 of my eyebrows filling in a few weeks ago..classic hypothyroid symptom btw. still sketchy but I noticed it ...
I personally am a fan of the weston price foundation and diet stuff they recommend all based on the diets of indigenous peoples. You might check out Sally Fallon's book: Nourishing Traditions.
If you have fillings that are metal colored they have mercury in them. I am also a big fan of getting them out, but that is for another forum: Cutler protocol.
I am also a fan of the testing for Iodine. For me personally knowing my bromide is still high gives my brain something to lean into and keeps me going with the Iodine.
My sis got tested two years ago and her Iodine loading test showed 96% excretion of the 50mg she ingested in 24 hours. I didn't understand the test result then, but now I am educated and know that this is a clear sign she has a transport problem that has to be fixed or she can't use the iodine she takes in.
ok , that is my two cents worth for tonite, hope some of helps some.
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This is a reply to # 1,677,876Your temporary hump really intrigues me....
I am glad to hear it is gone, but my brain is racing as to what might have caused it.
I am a bodywork, I do a type of osteopathic bodywork mostly from the work of a French osteopath named Jean-Pierre Barral.
I work on organs and blood vessels and nerves and the cranium and its contents and bones and joints capsules and more.
bones and muscles will go to great lengths to accommodate important structures like organs, so I almost wonder if your thyroid went into a temporary strain pattern and the spine curved to try to take pressure off of it......or something like that.....???????
I had a client several years ago get hypothyroid symptoms after a chiropracter gave her a bad neck adjustment. working on her thyroid arteries fixed the problem and freed up her neck......
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This is a reply to # 1,677,876Decro; the thyroid energy from now food is a good supplement, just fill in with the salt and magnesium and the vitamins.
Your heartbeat thing is serious (this is not detox), in one case I had a similar reaction to iodine; or should I say; Iodine may give this reaction IF you are short of something, like in this case; salt;
A war veteran loaded with toxic stuff has been on Iodine for a while, experienced serious kidney and back pain; so serious he wanted to quit. At one occation while working out he lost his breath, arm got numb, nothing in the body seemed to work. He related it to the morning dose of iodine. So how can this happen. My theory is that his adrenals are shot (literally)
If you have adrenal fatigue like he has, a low aldosterone may cause a salt wasting (skin /sweat and kidneys) causing a steep drop in blood pressure= breathing problems, numbness, fainting.
After this incidence we had to start all over again with Iodine &co; this time with the required salt + more vitamin C and B ( needed big time by the adrenals.)
He found out that if he take enough salt he tolerate loads of lugols. If he dont do the salt he can only take a drop or two of iodine.
His kidney and back pain also went away as soon as he was enough salted.
" The adrenal glands produce many more hormones than just glucocorticoids. One very important hormone is aldosterone, a mineralocorticoid. Aldosterone regulates fluid and electrolytes (sodium, chloride, potassium and magnesium) in the blood, between and in the cells of the body. As adrenal fatigue progresses, the production of aldosterone lessens. This causes "salt-wasting". As the salt is excreted by the kidneys, water follows leading to electrolyte imbalance and dehydration. Those with adrenal fatigue should always add salt (preferably Sea Salt with its trace minerals) to their water. Soft drinks and electrolyte drinks like Gatorade are high in potassium and low in sodium, the opposite of what someone with low cortisol needs. Commercial electrolyte drinks are designed for those who produce high cortisol when exercising, not for someone who produces little or no extra cortisol during exercise. You need to add ¼ to 1 teaspoon of salt to a glass of water or eat something salty to maintain fluid/electrolyte balance."
http://www.naturalnews.com/024985_cortisol_blood_adrenal_fatigue.html
I would adress the adrenals as well as the thyroid in your case; dont give up the iodine, but support yourself with other vit/minerals before you up the dose.
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This is a reply to # 1,678,357Cougar------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I am taking Iosol for about 2 months. That's interesting about your experiences with Bromide. I hope that's what's happening with me also. I don't want to have to quit Iodine.
As for the hump. It was more of a swelling of muscle underneath at the top of the spine. It looked very similar to a Dowager's Hump, which worried me a lot. Looking around forums, I see that a lot of Chiropractors are the first to warn people about possible Thyroid conditions.
Ginagirl-----------------------------------------------------
I'll start salt loading every day along with my Iodine and Selenium. Hopefully I'll see a change. I'll also supplement Magnesium, Vitamin C and the B Vitamins as you have said. How long do you believe it should take for these detox symptoms to settle after beginning these new supplements?.
Nearly fell asleep driving the car today, Fatigue is really hitting me hard at the moment.
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This is a reply to # 1,678,554When you are able to take Iodine in therapeutic dosage it shouldnt take long before the energy is back.
In my case the detox took 2-3 months; lots of flu, infections, diarrhea, pains etc. Energy came noticeably when I went over 50 mg of Iodine daily.
Difficult to say but in the cases I have worked with the energy is back within 1-4 months, depending on dosage and how severe the situation is.
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This is a reply to # 1,678,594Ginagirl----------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the information, you seem very experienced in Iodine supplementation, this forum is very lucky to have you.
Anyways, since you have worked with a lot of cases I have a few questions for you.
Is my experience a typical experience?.
Do you treat many males around my age(19-22)?.
If so, do they usually exhibit hair loss?.
Also, how many of your patients exhibit hair loss and could you describe the hair loss and whether or not they have scalp inflammation?.
Answers to those questions would be really helpful.
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You need zinc young man, around 50 mg daily in addition to Bs, particular B12, take it seperately from the magnesium. (same uptake mechanism)
http://www.progressivehealth.com/hair-loss-vitamins.asp
"Severe zinc deficiency in humans has been shown to produce baldness and scalp problems that were reversed when zinc was returned to the diet."
http://www.stophairlossnow.com/Vitamins.htm
I have treated quite a few children and teenagers but not many males around 20. I have a 10 year old girl now with alopecia but she is only 2 weeks in, so I cant tell much; other than that she is given iodine, borax, vit c and b, zinc and magnesium.
I have a hair do for you, cheap and effective;
mix one heaped tablespoon of Borax in half a liter of warm water, add 10 drops of Iodine and 10 drops of essential oil
(rosemary, tea tree or lavender or a mix of these) dont worry the solution will turn transparent / borax fade the Iodine color. I believe the inflammation have no chance toward this scalp mix.
Pour in a squeeze bottle and add some to your scalp, let it sit for half an hour or so. Then shampoo as usual.
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Iodine Update.. Decro435
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This is a reply to # 1,678,931Ginagirl----------------------------------------------------
About the Zinc. Those type of statements are made about nearly every mineral and vitamin on the internet. You'll probably lose hair if you are deficient in any vitamin/mineral. What makes you think that I might be deficient in zinc rather than Inositol which is also mentioned on the same page on that website.
Also could you tell me any specific timeline to when I should take these supplements?. I've heard to take Selenium and Vitamin C at different times to Iodine. Now, you say zinc should be taken away from magnesium. What supplements can be taken together?.
Another question I have is how many times can I salt load in one day and for how long should I salt load?. Can the excess salt be dangerous?.
As for your patients, it is interesting that you haven't dealt with many men my age. I doubt I can relate to the 10 year old girl, my case looks like premature Male Pattern Baldness but also with diffuse thinning. Have you dealt with anybody who has a itchy scalp without any signs of a skin disorder?. Also, with the men do you see a high percentage of them suffering hair loss?.
What is Borax's role in this regimen?. Am I the first one to be prescribed this topical by you?. I've tried a multitude of complex shampoos to combat hair loss and inflammation and I'm pretty sure they're all legitimate, I'm pretty good at noticing snake oils. What makes you think that this topical will work?. I've always wanted to try topical Iodine, I just thought that Iosol probably wasn't the best Iodine to use, but since I won't be able to get my hands on Lugols or any other Iodine for a while, how many drops of Iosol do you think would be efficient?.
As for the Flouride, I don't really know how to avoid this. Any tips?. Toothpaste?.
Thanks for all your help Ginagirl!.
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About the zinc; it is the first mineral after Iodine when I hear about skin problems. particularly when a young man has that problem ( as important as iron for women )
I also made the mistake in some cases to overdo the magnesium vs zinc; I found out only a few months ago, when corrected the situations improved. Hypo T and adrenal fatigue are tightly linked together. Low energy is a symptom of both.
I guess you have to find out for yourself; within this forum it is a lot of knowledge; I started my journey here by reading old posts. The salt loading you will find in the facts I posted earlier. I know nothing about Iosol.
I know a lot about Borax; it is the most soothing scalp remedy ever, I reccomend nothing I havent tried myself, nothing I wouldnt give to my own children etc; make a search in my old posts if you want to fint out more.
"Zinc, found in animal protein sources, is a crucially important mineral for maximising Testosterone levels and for controlling estrogen – [I discuss this in detail here]. Zinc deficiency is extremely common – Carl Pfeiffer believed that the entire American population was borderline zinc deficient!
Low zinc is a common cause of adrenal fatigue and low thyroid function. ZInc is needed for the production of DHEA.
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http://www.holistic-back-relief.com/adrenal-fatigue.html
About when to take what; what I do when I have a case in front of me, we make a daily plan from their life, usually they have to take supplements 3-4 times a day in the beginning. When better they reduce. This is something you will have to find out for yourself. I mix Iodine and C, but not Iodine and selenium. I dont mix therapeutic dosages of zinc and magnesium. Thats about it.
For a start; get your iodine going, and avoid fluoride; you will find a lot info by searching within this forums old posts. To much to cover for me just now!
Best of luck, keep us posted.
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This is a reply to # 1,679,694Ginagirl-----------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the information.
About the zinc though, I was partial to a bit of eczema when I was younger. This was usually confined to beneath my ear lobe and above my groin. Occasionally, I had it near my armpit. Apart from that I wouldn't really consider myself to have a skin problem. The itchy scalp doesn't present itself on the surface. It looks completely normal, it's more of an internal thing.
I've never heard of Borax as a topical treatment, could be interesting.
I've heard that Vitamin C and Iodine should be taken apart. I guess I'll have to take my own direction with that. Vitamin C convert's Iodine to Iodide right?. Is that something we want?.
I keep thinking that taking Vitamin C is just rendering the Iodine useless and that is why people take it when running into detox problems. Any thoughts on that?.
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"I used to get a energy rush and zero scalp inflammation when taking only one drop of Iodine."
then;
"The itchy scalp doesn't present itself on the surface. It looks completely normal, it's more of an internal thing."
This seems to be two different things; the latter more candida related (or parasites) the first more adrenal / inflammation/ low zinc and Iodine related.
Borax / Iodine have helped tremendously in scalp problems, even if it dosnt show on the surface. Itching in particular. I use it in my shampoo; I was a big time candida sufferer with the most itchy scalp.
Lugols Iodine with a touch of vit C is also a wonderful skin remedy in general; please try just to know what a great stuff you have available. Without the vit C it can be used to "burn" off a mole. etc etc
When it comes to excema that comes and goes; beware that Aspartame and other artificial sweeteners can cause this. (Doesnt have to be your case, but I answer for others as well)
My 11 year old son get an excema in his armpit if he drink as little as one glass of diet soda. Last time only a few weeks back. "I would not be impolite and say no , mummy" (so many kids birthdays etc with serving of only diet pop) After a week of two of itching he asked for help; and some iodine diluted in water + zinc salve on top took care of it within a day or two.
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One thing I don't understand is how Thyroid disorders cause hair loss via DHT. What is the connection between the Thyroid and DHT. I know I probably won't get an answer for this.
Peroxiredoxin 5 Gene Associated with Alopecia Risk
A recent study (see ref. below) of genes associated with alopecia identified genes involved in Treg and Th-17 development, as well as peroxiredoxin 5 as contributors. As expected, several genes involved in antigen presentation (HLA-DRA, HLA-DQA) were also identified. Th-17 lymphocytes are involved in immune attacks on self tissue, i.e. autoimmune diseases, such as alopecia, in which hair follicles are attacked by the immune system. Tregs control immune attacks on self tissues. Peroxiredoxin is an autoantigen and is produced in elevated amounts around hair follicles attacked in alopecia.
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