10th flush... results and concerns 
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Hi all,
Just did my 10th flush. Got about 6 grape sized stones and 10-15 smaller pea sized ones. My skin condition improved after the 7th cleanse, less blemishes, fewer Acne breakouts but after the 9th one, bad skin symptoms started to come back. I think I still need to do more flushes until my liver is completely clean.
Has anyone ever reached the stage where their liver is completely clean? If yes how many flushes did it take you and how does your skin feel now?
On a side note, I know it is disgusting but my stones now are starting to smell like grapefruit juice. I know there have been numerous postings that proves the validity of those stones being from liver/gall bladder and not from grapefruit/olive oil, but this has gotten me concerned.
-Kevin
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... demi 19 y 3,000
- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... ripped2shreds
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This is a reply to # 161,052Kevin,
When I read these messages I see alot of good. But I also see excess. Moderation is the key. Overdoing bad things is no worse than overdoing good things.
I'd kick back and let time heal all of the good things you have done. Even olive oil, grapefruit juice, apple juice and the like is even bad for you in excess.
I wonder if people are too zealous and forget how better they really feel now. Do we really need 93 flushes on anything? Moderation......... - Re: 10th flush... results and concer... ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 161,052Kevin, great question.
Still being somewhat new to the Liver Flush topic, the only guidance I have thus far is what Dr. Clark says - "you are not done flushing the liver until you've counted 2000 stones " I'll recheck her book but do not recall her mentioning what the time period is during which one should flush until they count 2000 stones... ? Rippedtoshreds makes a valid point - moderation.
Edit - given that reduction or elimination of alergies is one of the benefits Clark mentions for her protocol, coupled with the situation that it no doubt will take many flushes over a period of many weeks to achieve an optimally flushed liver, it almost seems like part of the unspoken message is, as one is going from one flush to the next, each flush may or will be stirrign up old illnesses/allergies that had been remaining burried/covered up in the deeper recesses of the liver, which I guess is not unlike the general experience one goes through with any type of detox - drug detox, alcohold detox, etc.
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... Ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 161,061
Excerpt from the document I posted just a few minutes ago (here - http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=42&i=3101 - in the Amalgam Dentistry Forum) regarding the potential effects of detox:
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Possible side-effects during heavy metal detox:
Every patient can be affected by metals in two ways:
1.Through their non-specific toxic effects
2. Through the system´s allergic reactions to the neurotoxinsOften these two distinctive types of symptoms cannot be easily distinguished. During a detox program, the patient may also temporarily become allergic to the various substances that help to carry out the toxins. This is based on a physiological mechanism called „operant conditioning“. Every time the detoxifying substance is given, mercury emerges from its hiding places into the more superficial tissues of the body, where mercury can now be detected by the immune system. The immune system however is fooled into thinking that the detoxifying substance itself is the enemy. The immune system now starts to react to the detoxifying substance as if it was the mercury itself. This reaction typically resolves spontaneously after six weeks of not using the detox agent in question. This type of conditioned reflex can also be easily treated with simple techniques e.g. NAET, PK (APN), or by giving the detox substance in a homeopathic dilution for a few days. Often the basal membranes in the kidney will swell as a sign of the allergic reaction, causing low back pain, anuria or inability to concentrate urine. Neuraltherapy or microcurrent stimulation of the kidneys quickly resolves the issue. Muscle aches indicate the redistribution of toxins into the connective tissue and an insufficient program. Depression, headaches, trigeminal neuralgia, seizures, increased pain levels indicate redistribution of metals into the CNS and an inappropriate detox program. Eye problems and tinnitus that occurs during detox indicates redistribution of metals into these organs and requires selective mobilization from these locations before the program is continued. I use a specific type of microcurrent for this purpose
- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... Ohfor07
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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This is a reply to # 161,052Kevin,
I have the same concerns as you. Like how many flushes will it take and will there be a good end result? I try and use logic by thinking that the Epsom Salt totally cleans us out, so anything that comes out in the morning after the olive oil & grapefruit juice must be bad toxins and liver congested material. I have a hard time believing that a glass of grapefruit juice & olive oil can somehow shape itself into the stuff that came out of me last weekend. Here are some pics I took of my flush results: http://photos.yahoo.com/just_hangin28
All I know so far is that my skin is softer after flushing. I know I have a bad functioning liver, so I'm just going to keep at it every 2 weeks if I can handle it. I plan on observing and photographing each result.
-greg
- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... mrcleanse
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This is a reply to # 161,066Thanks for the replies.
Greg back to your point, even when the colon is completely clean, there may be other bodily fluids such as acid from stomach, enzymes from pancreas and even the bile that can mix with olive oil/grapefruit juice to create stones? I am not trying to make any conclusions yet but just giving more information.
I have a feeling there are not many out there who have reached this state of "completely clean" liver since we don't get many posts from them. Or perhaps they are so healthy already they no longer need to read the forum. Just wondering.....
I know all of you have been great with providing helpful advice and sharing experiences and I thank all of you for this. It's just that I am just losing a little patience. I hope I dont have to be doing this forever.- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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This is a reply to # 161,069Since I don't know the exact answer, I try and think that just the act of the liver dumping it's dirty bile is good. I know my liver is bad and I'm toxic. The liver must be clear to clean the blood.
Let us know how your future flushes go. I know it's an exhausting process and dread having to do another and then another. I hate drinking epsom salt.
-greg - Actually, I am one of those with a c... MidlothianGirl
19 y
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This is a reply to # 161,069Keep in mind that people with clean livers have no reason to post here except on occasion. I only flush for maintenance at this time. My liver was clean after about 11 flushes and yep, about 2000 stones.
- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... blacktruck
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This is a reply to # 161,066Hey kaos----was that your first flush this year????
If it was truly amazing!!!
I passed about 100 stones on each flush of my first three flushes but the stones on the third one seemed to be all about pea size and larger size than the stones of the first two flushes.
I also flushed once a week for the first three weeks. I am tryin go wait for two full weeks before going again but my body is already crying to go again. I worry about doing this too often.- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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This is a reply to # 161,079They say that you're supposed to wait a couple of weeks between flushes to let the bile build up. But quite honestly I think it's most important to wait a bit to give the body a break. Taking in a lot of salt and losing a lot of water is probably really hard on the kidneys too. Come to think of it, this wasn't my first flush of the year. I had a failed attempt in February that resulted in vomiting most of the olive oil and I didn't get a good flush at all. I'm not sure, but I think the key to this last flush was that I ate no fat at all the day of the flush. I had no breakfast and ate a salad with no dressing for lunch. I also took malic acid for the first time, but I don't know if it helped. Who knows, I'll just repeat everything on the next flush and hope to keep getting results. I love this board and reading everyone's experiences. Like Kevin, I would like to hear from people who have flushed until they are clear. I also like to read from people who get amazing results. Hope is very powerful.
-greg- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... just_peachy
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This is a reply to # 161,083I finished (what I'm calling) flush 11 last week and got some interesting results. The last couple of flushes (quite some months ago) produced green 'stones' and tan/brown/rust 'stones' that seemed to have a larger crusty shell around a smaller green 'stone'. This last flush (eventually) brought out hard, apparently calcified 'stones' that were hard and almost crumbly all the way through. If interested, the post is //www.curezone.org/forums/m.asp?f=447&i=15831 with a follow up directly below it.
My mother (61) had her gallbladder removed and felt fine - for about 3 months. She now has the same complaints as before plus some additional ones.
I don't know what my liver numbers are, but I *do* know my overall health is MUCH better since starting liver flushing. That's enough for me to start regularly flushing again until no more hard calcified 'stones' show up for a few flushes. I plan on doing maintainance flushes every 3-6-12 months afterwards so I don't end up having to go through the same pain my mom has. - Re: 10th flush... results and concer... blacktruck
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This is a reply to # 161,083Greg___
I have been sick for 14 years and damn near couldnt move any air whatsoever this year. Docs had me taking anti fungals and Antibiotics most of the year. Diagnosed with asthma-emphysema-copd and a wicked wicked sinus infection. It was getting to the point where i was going to have to go on cortisone to breathe. Took so many Antibiotics I would lay in bed and every muscle in body just ached then the 3 oclock charley horses would cause me to leap out of bed and walk for hours. I make a mucous so think and green you could use it for mortar mix.
I quit the antifungals and Antibiotics one month ago---one week before first flush. My muscles are just getting to the point where they do not ache. On top of that I can breathe. Not only can I breathe much better the mucous my sinuses create is drastically thinner. Results like this certainly diminish the unpleasantness of the ES and OO.
I am spacing a full two weeks this time and will flush again on the 18th. In all honesty though my body seems to be crying for it now.- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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This is a reply to # 161,086Blacktruck,
Thank you so much for the story. A lot of us talk about flushing here, but not a lot of people give a story of their illness. Mine is somewhat similar to you. I've had wicked problems for 8 years for what was diagnosed as Lyme 3 years ago. I was on Antibiotics for 2.5 years...I.V's, muscle injections and up to 4 different pills at a time. I only got worse. Lyme or not, it created the biggest candida mess ever, especially worse since I already had candida before the Antibiotics . I had to go on antifungals and had limited success. I think I just wasn't able to process the drugs and my body couldn't detoxify anymore. I think my liver was crying for support. I got so much better after the Antibiotics , but something was missing, and maybe that something is liver flushing. Anyway, I've been coughing up brown guck since the beginning of illness. It rotates from green to white also, but I believe it's fungal...I'm almost positive. My asthma has gotten much better since addressing candida. Everything has. I recently used Colloidal Silver and it made candida so much worse and brought back asthma. I don't think it was a healing crisis because I know Colloidal Silver kills off bacteria and cannot distinguish between our good bacteria. I got bad fungus on my toes and groin from Colloidal Silver . Now I'm back to using ozone, hydrogen peroxide, and now liver flushing. I hope I make progress soon.
Talking about Liver Flushing is good, but hearing of progress with chronic illnesses is even better.
-greg- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... blacktruck
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This is a reply to # 161,087Greg:
I got candida also. I got it bad. In fact that is what convinced me my "copd' was something else. I have 'snowstorm" style dandruff plus a perennial plugged left eustachian tube. Prior to starting Liver Flushes I had been on lamisil/sporanox/diflucan for around 14 months.
I have to watch my diet closely but while on the antifungals I cheated profusely. To this day I can ingest Sugar and feel my bronchials swell and my sinuses start running .
I used to submit my sputum monthly for checks on candida and aspergillus. I have recently had sputum checks where it has been clear of candida and aspergillus but my doctor ( the only one left who encouraged the flush) encouraged the flush.
Presently the mucous has lost most of its greenish hue in the morning and almost all of it later in the day. I still have to do posturing to remove mucous ( I lay over the back of a chair with head on ground)
I have done the Colloidal Silver (it was a big 0 ) and h202. I drink Braggs ACV and try to down at least 100 oz of water daily.
I still use a combivent inhaler and was using one every 8 days for years. The doc even wrote the scrip for four puffs every four hours. That has been approx halved.
Flushing is working is all I can say!
- Re: 10th flush...message for blacktr... stannarad
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This is a reply to # 161,089I just wanted to say I'm so happy you're seeing results from flushing! I so enjoyed reading this part of the thread. Posts like these really encourage me to continue on. I have to say- it may take many flushes before we finally clear out our livers. I've done around 9 flushes now and didn't even start getting anything out at all until about 6 flushes into it-lol.
- Re: 10th flush...message for blacktr... stannarad
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... LymeHeal
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This is a reply to # 161,087Good job on going on the hydrogen peroxide. As you know it creates an inhospitable environment for the candida, and is completely safe for the body when taken appropriately. I agree the candida is often worse than lyme was itself!
- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... blacktruck
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... just_peachy
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... mrcleanse
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... darkcloud
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This is a reply to # 161,05210 flushes is probably enough for now. Think of it as like changing the oil filter in a car. No sense in changing the filter every week. You want to wait 3 months, or at least 3000 miles, before changing. Same with the liver. Give it 3 months or so and you will probably have an awesome flush. Then continue to flush every 3 months or so for the rest of your life. The attempt for perfect purification is futile. As soon as you attain it, you will have to die to maintain that state. If you continue to live, you will be polluting the liver again. That's what it's there for. Just cleanse it on a regular maintance schedule. And, inbetween flushes, try to improve your living habits so as to not stress the liver out.
- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... kaos
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This is a reply to # 161,082Thanks for the advice, Darkcloud. I guess there comes a time when it's best to ease up.
-greg
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- Re: 10th flush... results and concer... violet_grace
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This is a reply to # 161,052from what i have the read the amount of flushes recommened is based on your current health.
perfectly healthy people should flush about 6 times.
and from what i remember you increase the flush by:
healthy - flush 6 times
m0d healthy (allergies, etc) - flush 12
chronic problems (psorisis, etc) - 18
you can repeat the process every two weeks. some people find it be more effective and produce more stones when repeating once a month.- Re: 10th flush... liver stones not g... alok
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This is a reply to # 161,117hi all,
we all are expelling only liver stones and not the gallbladder stones. gall bladder stones rarely expelled, that is why symptoms come back again. expelling of liver stones give us reliefe from symptoms for some time and back due to gall bladder stones. gall bladder stones are hard like real stones, grey and light grey in colour and liver stones are generally pea green, dark green semi soft and semi hard type.
so is there any idea that we can expell our gallbadder stones
happy flushing
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