My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD Oral... 
Simba1980
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Hello Everyone,
I am new here. This is my first post and would like to share my experience with Mercury Poisoning and the symptoms associated with oral DMPS chelation, which I am currently taking. I am a 29 year old female living in Southern California and am in the very early stages of treatment. I will give updates when I can. I hope this helps anyone suffering from this horrible poisoning. Please remember that you are not alone, and above all, you are not crazy.
A bit of history:
I have been suffering with what I now know is mercury poisoning since I was about 10 or so. I had to do a complete review of my entire medical history to determine when symptoms started, when they peaked, etc because I forgot a lot of my childhood symptoms. I am not going to list them all because the curezone list is so accurate. Some symptoms that I had that aren't on the list: Spontanious lactation, unequal pupil size that becomes more pronounced during episodes of psychosis, anal bleeding without hemmoroids, mentrual disturbances (heavy bleeding, endometriosis, pain, vommiting, fainting), irrational fears.
More Recently:
I had my Amalgam fillings removed in early April 2010 and started treatment late-April 2010. DMPS 100 mg/3x per day, 4 days on 11 days off. I am currently unemployed due to my illness. Honestly, there is no possible way that I could do both.
The two-session Amalgam removal acutely exposed me to mercury all over again. I was naive about IOAMT guidelines, and in California they are supposed to have signs up, which he didn't. I protected myself the best that I could before the second session by taking vitamin c and a tiny glass of wine. (I know it sounds crazy but apparently alcohol deters mercury from absorbing into the system. In Sweden, they give schnapps to Amalgam removal patients). After leaving the dentist, I took lots of vitamin c and activated charcoal, and had some wine with dinner. All in all, my symptoms were much worse the few weeks after amalgam removal.
Round 1 of DMPS Treatment: I am going to write this from memory. It was only 2 weeks ago, but it is still very foggy.
For me, my everyday symptoms got worse during the first 4 days of treatment. For example, if I had panic attacks, anxiety, heart palipations, crying spells, fibromalgia pain, headaches, vomiting, twitches because of merc poisoning, then these became more prominent at times during the treatment. However, it got much better afterwards and I was able to actually do things that I enjoy. There were moments where I started feeling like myself again, even if it was quick and fleeting.
Round 2 of DMPS Treatment:
Today is the fourth day and it is noticably better than round 1. This time, I rested the ENTIRE 4 days. Also, I took lots of baths with Epsom Salt and it helped the pain so much. I quit taking all vitamins/supplements during my 'on DMPS days' except vit c, flax oil, and vit e. Lots of fruit and veggie smoothies. This medication is a rollercoater ride, but then again, so is mercury poisoning. This round has yet to be unbearable, but my husband may disagree :) Also, I have prepared my life for this and would be failing miserably if I didnt. What makes this tolerable for me are the moments of happiness and clarity that I feel on my "off DMPS days" Last week, I planted my first garden and had more energy than usual.
Before and After DMPS Treatment:
A few days before and a few days after I take the pills, I load up on vitamins, eat very healthy foods, take lots of fiber or a take cleasing herbs, and do all of the chores and socializing that is impossible to do during my 4 days on DMPS and the few days after.
Results:
Well, Here is the best part. Many of my symptoms are already significantly better, such as the heart palipitations, which I would have 6x/per day and are now almost non-existent. Also, I have always had darker yellow cloudy urine even if hydrated, but during and after DMPS, my urine is more clear and light than I have ever seen it. EVER. This is a weird symptom: If I drink coffe, even a little, my urine will smell undeniably like coffee. For some reason it doesn't anymore and it has been this way forever. I drink coffee everyday. The good moments are getting better. Ten days ago, I wouldn't have had the mental capacity to type this out. I could barely read and comprehend Cutler's book. I am not saying I am cured or even close. The symptoms are still rough, but the aweful, unbearable symptoms are becoming less frequent and it is obvious to everyone around me.
Education:
Read Amalgam Illness by Cutler (this is my mercury bible)
Watch the banned 60 minutes episode "Is there poison in your mouth" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7304626579881289841#
Watch Dr. Buttar's DVD "Heavy Metal Toxicity, THE HIDDEN KILLER" My doctor gave me a copy of this and it is a real eye opener. Detailed info and computer animation showing how mercury affects the human body, as well as patient testimonials, interviews, and lots of science. You may be able to watch it for free on youtube. I know Dr Buttar has a slideshow summary of the video on his website.
If you made it this far, thank you. If anyone has any feedback, tips, questions, I am all ears!
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... geni1
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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This is a reply to # 1,588,454Oops! Correction: I had my Amalgam fillings removed in early February 2010 and started treatment early March 2010.
- DMPS not recommended Count Blah
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This is a reply to # 1,588,454"Read Amalgam Illness by Cutler (this is my mercury bible)"
I dont believe AHC recommends DMPS in his book.
If you have been poisoned for 20 years it will take more than a few weeks to get it out. DMPS does not cross the BBB, yet it will stir up mercury from your body which will cross the BBB and that is what makes you feel bad.
Cutler recommends ALA and DMSA.
How many Amalgams did you have?- Re: ? Yes it is Simba1980
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,589,057I had six amalgams. This is the very early stages of a possible two year treatment. Actually, I am looking at the Amalgam Illness book right now and Cutler does recommend it. I am using a protocol instructed by my medical doctor who studied under Dr. Buttar.
- Re: DMPS not recommended Count Blah
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This is a reply to # 1,589,270
According to Andy Hall Cutler, ALA is what is necessary to lower the brain mercury.Dmsa and dmps will remove mercury from the body, however overdoing the chelation can move mercury into the brain. Cutler is against dmps injections.
Cutler:
"These chelating agents do increase symptoms a bit when taken. You need to
select a dose that doesn't create too much in the way of side effects - side
effects go up MUCH more rapidly than does the amount of mercury removed, so
there is no reason to make your kid suffer."
Cutler:
<< My doc friend told me that last year their was a bad batch of DMPS that
went
out from one pharmacy and alot of patients got sick. >>
That doesn't account for all the patients who got sick before that, after
that, and on other batches.
This is typical of the "DMPS worshipper" milieu - make excuses rather than
figure out what happened. Please don't get me wrong - they are still doing
better than the "AMA worshipping" sect which steadfastly refuses to believe
there is any problem at all. Also, since the "AMA worshippers" are
conducting an inquisition in which they attempt to burn the licenses to
practice medicine of the "DMPS worshippers" at the stake for being heretical
it is difficult for the "DMPS worshippers" to be open and honest about any
problems that may be occurring.
There have been large numbers of well documented adverse reactions to DMPS
from all sources I am aware exist, throughout the 1990's and continuing
today. The problem was not "a bad batch of DMPS." The problem is a bad
batch of doctors who don't pay attention to what happens with their patients.
Andy Cutler
Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2458.html
So, is there ANYWHERE that I can find good info on what
each of these things does
I can give you my opinion. I am sure you can find all the conflicting
opinions you want by looking around.
DMSA (and DMPS) - chelating agents that stay OUTSIDE the brain and the body's
cells and grab up all the mercury, etc. that is available in the half or so
of your body that is not inside cells. These cause the mercury to come out
in the urine. DMPS needs to be taken about every 8 hours during treatment,
and DMSA needs to be taken about every 4. Both DMPS and DMSA are
prescription drugs. DMSA is much less expensive than DMPS. DMPS works
better than DMSA, but not enough better to justify the price in many
instances.
Alpha lipoic acid (LA) - an over the counter nutritional supplement that
chelates mercury and gets INSIDE cells and INSIDE the brain to remove mercury
that is there Lipoic acid has to be taken every 3-4 hours.
These chelating agents do increase symptoms a bit when taken. You need to
select a dose that doesn't create too much in the way of side effects - side
effects go up MUCH more rapidly than does the amount of mercury removed, so
there is no reason to make your kid suffer.
Reasonable amounts to use:
DMSA - 50-100 mg every 4 hours for several days (and nights) in a row, then
wait and repeat later.
DMPS - 50-100 mg every 8 hours for several days (and nights) in a row, then
wait and repeat later.
LA - 1/4 to 1/2 mg of LA per pound of kid every 3 hours for several days (and
nights) in a row, then wait and repeat later.
DMSA + LA - doses as above, give the DMSA with the LA every 3 hours or you
will go nuts keeping track of it, and do this for 2 or 3 days (and the
intervening nights) in a row only.
DMPS + LA - as for DMSA + LA, but give the DMPS with every second or third
dose (you choose) of LA.
Andy Cutler
Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/507.html
Is lipoic acid the only thing that will take stuff out of the brain in
your opinion?
It is the only thing known to do it safely. The old (and very nasty)
chelating agent BAL will do it. There is some rumor and innuendo that
cilantro will do it which I don't completely discount, but I wouldn't say it
is by any means proven.
Andy Cutler
Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1670.html
Re: Just ALA chelating.and MSM comment
--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., Shari
> Thank you very much, yes I agree, I stopped the DMSA b/c I was
seeing more negative than positive, BUT the ALA was what started his
improvement in the beginning, this weekend, he has been so attentive
again. I am looking into the corn free DMSA, but may just stay with
ALA..-Shari
A lot of adults succesfully detoxed with ALA alone (mostly because
they couldn't tolerate DMSA for some or other reason). The ALA is
essential to detox, the DMSA is not.
Andy
How do you know mercury doesn't come out of the brain easily?
There are many autopsy studies in the literature of people who worked with
mercury and then retired, or lost their job, and when they died many years
later they were found to have tons and tons of mercury still in their brains.
Assorted sources in the literature estimate the half life for mercury to
leave the brain as AT LEAST 25 years, and possibly forever.
It is also observed that the brain related symptoms (emotional symptoms,
autonomic nervous system problems and endocrine problems) do not resolve when
amalgam illness people detox using the regular protocols, and that these
problems remain with them for life (unless they do something specific to
clear the brain of mercury).
Is it really possible that you could be totally free of mercury in the body
yet still have loads of it stuffed in your brain?
Yes, and often observed, and indeed the state I was personally in for about
a year.
That seems against nature
since they body is always trying to protect the brain and achieve
equilibrium.
It is actually caused by nature.
The brain is protected by the blood-brain barrier which absolutely stops
certain toxins from passing at all, ever, no matter what. If the BBB gets
leaky and you are really really sick, it is letting maybe 0.1% of the
nasties pass - way too low to let all the mercury out.
Mercury vapor and organic mercury go into the brain, and come out again.
Inorganic mercury does not go in very easily, but really does not come out
at all.
The problem is that organic mercury such as the ethylmercury in thimerosal is
converted to inorganic mercury in the brain so it stays there forever.
Unfortunately, inorganic (mercuric) mercury does not convert back to any
form that passes the BBB.
A more technical comment about equilibrium:
The brain has a much higher affinity for mercury than the blood or the rest
of the body. Equilibrium is the condition where the rate of mercury going
into the brain and coming out of the brain is the same. Since the brain
holds on to mercury much more strongly than the body, this means that the
rate of mercury going IN from blood at concentration X is MUCH faster than
the rate of mercury coming OUT from the BRAIN at concentration X and mercury
- even inorganic mercury - concentrates in the brain slowly until it is at
dramatically higher concentrations than it is in the rest of the body. Once
this happens, the mercury stays there even if it is removed from the rest of
the body because the rate of mercury coming OUT of the brain is so slow.
So in the case of mercury, nature (in the form of your BBB) actually tries
to PREVENT equilibrium from being achieved. Since you don't live forever
this is a reasonable evolutionary adaptation as long as the BBB can keep you
far from equilibrium for your lifetime.
The real function of lipoic acid in a precise technical sense is NOT that it
somehow magically grabs the mercury and escorts it out - all it really does
is speed up the flow of mercury through the blood-brain barrier so you can
get it down into your body at some reasonable rate where it can be excreted.
Andy Cutler
Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1594.html
- Re: DMPS not recommended one sick chick
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This is a reply to # 1,589,495i am new on here. in ten days i will begin removing my fillings...i will start with 3 ...if money were not the issue they would have been gone years ago. quick story...sick very sick...and i have 16 fillings.. i go to a great doctor who is walking me through this process but thee is so much controversty...she has prescribed for me cuprimine the day of and day after extraction. is this what you mean whenyou say dmsa? i am soooooo confused. please help me understand it. also, i took it once for a urine test...tested positive for mercury lead and arsenic...anyone used this? i don't remeber having any side effects the day i took it for the test....so most likely it will be okay?
- Welcome :) Simba1980
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This is a reply to # 1,590,748Hi there. I'm so sorry to hear that you are sick too. I am also new to this, and you are right about the conflicting information about which chelators are best. You said that money is an issue, it was for me too, but the best money I spent was on the book Amalgam Illness by Andrew Cutler - I bet others here would agree. Cutler advises against high dose injections of DMPS or DMSA that are spaced far apart, because BOTH have been shown to redistribute mercury in the brain. DMSA is not the same as Cuprimine. I am not personally familiar with Cuprimine, but I looked it up online, and it is also known as penicillamine. On page 90, Cutler does not recommend it...he says it is harmful. I am not trying to scare you. I heard TONS of scary stuff about DMPS and it turned out to be just fine. Just to be safe though, I would get this book, take it to your doctor and perhaps craft a protocol from there. With so little information out there, good doctors are trying to do their best to beat this. There is one thing that I must share with you: Please do not take ANY chelator if you still have fillings in your mouth. DMPSbackfire.com has a bunch of horror stories of people whose docs gave them DMPS with fillings, of course they just blame it on the DMPS, but you can see that common link. I am still learning as I go, but keep your chin up and you will get through this!
- Re: DMPS not recommended ( NO! NO! ) #123972
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This is a reply to # 1,590,748Cuprimine is penicillamine. Do not use it! Run do not walk, run from any doctor who would give you this stuff! This stuff has been obsolete for years!.
Read thur the posts on this thread. Read Andy Cutler's book. Educate yourself before beginning this process. Mercury is dangerous stuff.
Dump that doctor
- Welcome :) Simba1980
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- Re: DMPS not recommended one sick chick
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- Re: DMPS not recommended Count Blah
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- Re: ? Yes it is Simba1980
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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This is a reply to # 1,588,454Cutler recommends oral DMPS on page 75 #4, as well as DMSA. He also says that one should not introduce ALA until well into the treatment protocol. I will eventually chelate with ALA, but it is too early for me. I have heard that, although less problematic, DMSA is a weak mecury chelator.
- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Count Blah
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This is a reply to # 1,589,276You sound like the typical chelation addict, which is how we all start out.
From my personal experience I would recommend waiting 3 to 6 months after removal then using ALA according to Cutlers protocol. IF CHELATING MAKES YOU FEEL SICK THAT MEANS YOU ARE MOVING MERCURY INTO THE BRAIN. At least thats my understanding of the process.
The body will naturally remove mercury itself in 50 percent of the people according Cutler. I would wait until the BODY LEVELS OF MERCURY ARE LOW before messing around with dmsa or dmps.
Dont eat fish,avoid aluminum in food,baking powder,deodorants,pots and pans. Aluminum makes mercury 50 times more toxic.
Detoxing the brain can take TEN YEARS if you have 40 years of toxicity. 3 to 4 years will produce good improvements.- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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This is a reply to # 1,589,503I AM NOT TAKING DMPS INJECTIONS (?). I AM TAKING ORAL DMPS. I know the dangers of DMPS injections, hence the reason I am not taking it.
I am not a 'CHELATION ADDICT." I have only been chelating for a month now and am simply reporting my experience because there is so little information online. This is a medical treatment that was recommended by medical doctor and maybe, just maybe, someone else out there may just benefit from my post. I did not even think that taking DMPS for a month as recommended by my doctor would warrant being called an ADDICT.
- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Flowerhope
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This is a reply to # 1,590,486Hello, Can I ask how you are doing now as I am just beginning this process and read Cutler's book, which clearly states you can take DMSA or DMPS along with ALA. I actually met a girl, whom I've become good friends with at the doctors office and come to find out we are both Mercury toxic, and we have been on this journey of health together. She was able to actually speak to Cutler himself who said that oral DMPS is totally fine just to start out really low like 12mg. I am a little freaked out thought just to buy it anywhere and was wondering where you got yours from and if you continued on with the DMPS chelation and if your doing well. Some of the compounding pharmacies have it where I live but are charging $200 for like 20 pills, which is pretty pricey for the time frame it takes to chelate long term Mercury exposure that I had (8 fillings which were removed two years ago)? Your help is greatly appreciated.
- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Flowerhope
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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This is a reply to # 1,589,503Round 2: Today is the 4th day off DMPS (Dosage: 100mg/ 3x per day, 4 days on 11 days off).
I feel very clear today (and it is 7 a.m.-no coffee yet) and have major energy. Feeling like this makes it all worth it!
Yesterday wasn't so hot. Rested the whole day and threw up once after taking a supplement containing Senna.
Also, I introduced Trans-D Tropin into my routine. I am not making a judgement call on this supplement just yet, because I don't enough imperical evidence. I feel very good when I take it, but that could be a coincidence. I will keep you all posted. I think I am going to go put on some music and dance because I feel that good! Woo-hoo!- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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This is a reply to # 1,590,489I do appreciate the Cutler info (that was the post that I read religiously when I was first diagnosed with merc poisoning), and as I said earlier I will introduce ALA in a few months.
- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... lilywhite
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This is a reply to # 1,589,503Count Blah-
she was going to share her experiences with oral DMPS before you attacked her irrationally. I went to check for further posts, but there aren't any because she obviously didn't want to be attacked for sharing with the intent of helping others and left curezone.
you advise not to begin ALA until 6 months which means you didn't grasp that Cutler suggests you DEFINITELY chelate BEFORE THAT in order to lessen the body's burden for when the body naturally dumps the mercury around 6 months after the Amalgams are removed, so the previous chelation would make that process less intense.
I forgive you for being too sick to realize what you did to this person unnecessarily!
bummer that we lost out on her contribution...
- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Simba1980
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- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... Count Blah
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- Mercury Poisoning Oral DMPS Chelatio... #123972
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This is a reply to # 1,588,454Been where you are, was probably worse-almost kicked out a few times. Your 1st steps are much better than mine where. Consider these:
* Try cutting DMPS dose to 50 but take 4 times per day. 8 hours is max time between doses, some people metabolize quickly, 8 hours could be grabbing then dropping mercury, try 6 hours and yes set the alarm clock and do NOT go 8 hours at night. Just try 50 every 6 hours for a few days and see if that helps. If not OK go back to 8.
* The whole DMPS backfire issue came from doctors giving a big DMPS IV which grabs a bunch of mercury then 8 hours later drops it. If you research DMPS you will see the manufacturer recommends DMPS be given orally. Doctors want to play God, DMPS in lower and frequent oral doses is much much safer than IV.
* I found DMPS at 6 hours much better than DMSA every 4 hours or even every 3 hours. I did switch to DMSA every 3 hours when i added ALA.
* Do not take any supplements on days with DMPS or DMSA. To many possible confusions and complications for the body plus possibly chelators will bind with andy minerals you are taking instead of the mercury. Get a good top quality multi vitamin and mineral and take on off days.
* Do not try to be a vegan or vegetarian while chelating. You want your liver working at top level during chelation. Liver needs to produce lots of bile in support of chelation and liver needs lots of good fats, olive oil, omega 3s to help it produce bile.
* Liver! Liver! Liver! In my experience this is where Cutler loses his way. No enough emphasis on liver. Cutler is a PhD Chemist --he thinks chemicals like DMPS and DMSA. My experience you will never regain health until you detox the liver. If you have a congested liver + Amalgams you are mercury toxic. If you have amalgams, over time the mercury will congest and store in your liver. BOTH must be resolved to return to health. After mercury levels drop. Liver flush, liver flush, liver flush. Then more chelation, Then liver flush. Repeat.
* Last--Do not rely very much on any one person or especially one doctor. Make your own decisions. Remember doctors are one of the leading cause of death, It was a doctor (dentist) that put the mercury in your body. Use a doctor like you use a mechanic or a plumber--they work for you, you make the decision as the cost both financial and health will be yours. - Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... ChrisSoto
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This is a reply to # 1,588,454I have found a source for cheap DMPS, if anyone interested. DMPS without a prescription, sold as a detox system for people who cannot quit smoking:
http://detoxitab.com/
But no matter the reason it's DMPS of a great quality for a good price.
- Re: My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD ... geni1
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