But obviously both men and women begin to lose their level of hormones with age unless they intervene.
And why do they fight the body's natural wisdom and intervene? Because people are being convinced that these are diseases rather than the truth that they are merely transitions. As I said before the body is very intelligent. Why do we fall down when we pass out? Because passing out involves the blood flowing out of the brain. By falling down this helps to get blood back to the brain. If we did not fall down when we passed out we could stroke. Why do we bleed for a short period of time rather than instantly clotting when we cut ourselves? Because the bleeding helps to flush out bacteria from the wound before sealing the wound with a clot. Therefore trying to fight the body's infinite wisdom of slowing down hormone production by supplying more hormones makes as much sense as propping people up when they faint so they can't fall down or slapping on an occlusive bandage when you cut yourself to prevent bleeding.
It's just that with women there is the end of bleeding, which is an obvious "sign" even though other symptoms remain!
I am just curious if anyone knows the trigger(s)? Something more specific than "old age"? I mean, some societies don't even have words for menopause, so it's not the same worldwide.
Menopause occurs worldwide. We don't see 100 year old women in other countries menstruating do we? The only difference is the symptomology, and this is easily explained. Women on a traditional Asian diet do not suffer from menopausal symptoms. If they go on the average American diet though then they end up with what we refer to as menopausal symptoms. So they still go through menopause and do not suffer with menopausal symptoms on the traditional diet despite not using any hormone replacement. So what is the difference in diets? Their diets are rich in phytoestrogens, which help to balance hormone levels. These extremely weak estrogenic compounds can latch on to estrogen receptors and exert an estrogenic effect that averages 200 to 400 times weaker than our own estrogens. At the same time by occupying these receptors they prevent stronger estrogens from attaching to these receptors. If they cannot attach they cannot have any effect on the body. This is why phytoestrogens, including those from soy, help to protect us from cancer, and help prevent menopausal symptoms in women.
There are other contributing factors though that can wreak havoc on the hormonal system. These include the use of external hormones, such as DHEA, estrogen replacement therapy and progesterone creams. These produce artificial highs in hormone levels at a time when the boy is lowering levels for safety reasons. They also atrophy the glands still producing hormones creating severe imbalances in hormone levels and more of a dependence on the external hormones.
The other big factor is exposure to xenoestrogens such as dioxins and DDT. Not only can these xenoestrogens be up to 100,000 times more powerful than human estrogens, they are also very stable in the environment. DDT for example takes about 100 years to break down in the soil. So even though it is not being sprayed in the US anymore this does not mean Americans are not still being exposed.
I just don't know if it's wise to try to replace our vanishing hormones or not. If it's 'natural' shouldn't we leave well enough alone? If it's triggered, perhaps we could UNtrigger it or make efforts to replace the lost hormones somehow.
No, it is NOT safe to replace hormones as I have pointed out. It is safe though to cleanse the liver to help with hormone regulation, to eat plenty of phytoestrogen sources and to maintain the intestinal flora to further break down hormone metabolites.
Interesting, stress causes accelerated aging, so you may be onto something there.
A lot of the accelerated aging from stress if from the increased need of vitamin C by the adrenals leading to less vitamin C being available to other tissues. Just look at how fast methamphetamine, which really taxes the adrenals, ages a person.
"....there is a far greater psychological component to menopause than an actual physical one." I agree, thinking... Just as when females domicile together their rhythms align for reasons beyond conscious control, it seems probable that there are factors of which we're currently unaware that can have an effect on this subject. But you can almost guess them, like, lower overall stress might be expected to have a better outcome than where longer term stress is present, etc.
Yes, stress can play a role because of its negative effects on the adrenals, which are the primary source of hormones after menopause.
Stress also negatively affects the thyroid. And most of menopausal symptoms are already due to hypothyroidism from estrogen suppression.
Andropause, (a term which is not readily accepted as meaning the same as menopause for males), is not something that I believe actually happens. Yes men do have a lessening of hormonal production, but there is no set point of transition, as with menopause.
Yes, you are exactly right Spud. Menopause and andropause are not diseases, but rather transitions. It is like I have said for a long time they do not treat girls like they have a disease when they start menstruating. This is because it is a natural transition in life just like natural menopause is another transition in life.
What causes people to start losing all their hormones?
I mean, why DO women go through menopause?
Why DO men go through andropause?
WHAT is the trigger or triggers?
Diet?
Lifestyle?
Toxins?
Stress?
I would not say that there is a specific trigger. Just like when you went from prepubescence to adolescence. The body goes through cycles which are necessary. For example it would be dangerous to have a baby when you were 5 years old so the body prevented you from menstruating. After a certain age it also becomes dangerous to have a baby for the mother and the risk of birth defects greatly increases. So again the body changes to decrease then eliminate the chance of becoming pregnant.
The body is actually pretty intelligent. For example have you ever wondered why you cannot get pregnant again when you are already pregnant or why the sex drove decreases after giving birth in most cases? As for the first question imagine what would happen if all those millions of sperm kept fertilizing more eggs while you were already pregnant. And after giving birth prolactin levels rise to not only increase milk production, but to also suppress the sex drive. This prevents producing a burden on a limited food supply for the bay or babies. If you were to give birth then immediately get pregnant then your body would be overburdened with both providing milk for the already born infant(s) as well as providing nutrition for the developing infant as well as yourself.
With only three basic options ... do nothing OR replace the hormones [with synthetic or bioidentical] OR give the body the right stuff to stimulate our glands and organs to begin producing hormones again ... which is best for short and long term overall health?
Again the body is very intelligent. Our hormones decline with age for a very good reason. If we are going to substitute these hormones to their previous premenopausal or preandropausal levels then we are just asking for trouble. Just look at the side effects of progesterone creams which include hyperaggression, acne and a number of cancers. Or estrogen replacement therapy, which can cause cancers, blood clots, heart attacks, stroke, thyroid suppression, increased heart disease..........
One big misconception though that I frequently hear is women saying they do not produce hormones anymore because they are postmenopausal or have had a complete hysterectomy. The fact is that the ovaries are not the only source of sex hormones. The adrenals and the fat cells also generate the sex hormones. The reason I bring this up is that again the body reduces its hormone production for good reasons. But the body still maintains a certain amount of its hormones for certain parts of the body, such as bones and even sex drive to an extent. Humans are one of the few animals that have sex for more than just procreation. Anyway, we have to maintain that certain level of hormones, which is where things like diet and avoidance of stress come in. Keep in mind that the primary source of sex hormones after menopause or andropause are the adrenals. And what are some of the factors that suppress the adrenals? Stress, stimulants, lack of vitamin C or pantothenic acid...... So we need to maintain the adrenals so they can help produce what the body needs. This is safer and more effective than supplying external hormones that can not only overwhelm the hormonal system, but can also atrophy the adrenals that would be the primary hormone supplier post menopause or andropause.
"If we should leave well enough alone, does that apply to all the hormone producing glands in our body or just some of them? Should we try to rev up the adrenals and not worry about the ovaries or rev up the thyroid but not worry about ... whatever.
Are some glands [and use the word loosely here for lack of a more specific one...whatever is producing hormones!] supposed to slow as we age and if so, why shouldn't we let 'nature' take it's course and not fiddle with it?"
Very sound and cogent point, Marci. I currently believe that ALL systems of the physical body can be held in optimum (or close to) functionality.
This "natural transitioning" is a faulty premise, imo.
The problem again is that we have done so much to disrupt our endocrine system. So we have to address these disruptions and try to restore balance. But this is not done with synthetic hormones, which will just create more imbalances and dangerous side effects. It is done with phytoestrogens and glandular support from diet and herbs. This will allow the body to generate the hormones it requires rather than overloading the hormonal system with dangerous DHEA, estrogen replacement or progesterone creams.
I know you believe in using herbs and other things to give the body what it needs to restore or rev up our glands to do their job like they should ... but if the glands are not up to par, such as after menopause, aren't we basically beating a dead or dying horse? Or does it depend on the glands?
Just because one is going through menopause or andropause, this does not mean the glands are up to par. The glands are merely changing as they are designed to do and are supposed to do again for very good reasons.
This hormonal 'orchestra' is a bit confusing. If we should leave well enough alone, does that apply to all the hormone producing glands in our body or just some of them? Should we try to rev up the adrenals and not worry about the ovaries or rev up the thyroid but not worry about ... whatever.
Are some glands [and use the word loosely here for lack of a more specific one...whatever is producing hormones!] supposed to slow as we age and if so, why shouldn't we let 'nature' take it's course and not fiddle with it?
I'm interested in the basic physical biological aspect of this, not the psychological or mental or emotion one...although I realize hormones affect all of this.
To really answer your whole post I think the easiest way is to address a comment you made in an earlier post. You mentioned many cultures not having a word for menopause. What this is really referring to is the fact that women in many cultures do not experience the menopausal symptoms that Western women do even though those cultures also go through menopause. They are not taking pharmaceutical drugs though to prevent what we consider menopausal symptoms because menopause is not a disease. Things they are doing though that contribute to their lack of menopausal symptoms include a diet rich in phytoestrogens, avoiding things that atrophy the adrenals like energy drinks and steroids, and leading more of a stress free lifestyle.
The glands can be maintained through the same means by Western women but as a society we tend to live on energy drinks including coffee and colas, steroid use is rather common (primarily pharmaceutical steroids), and we live by the clock which just further stresses people on top of the steroids and stimulants.
We also tend to be exposed to a large number of endocrine disruptors such as the hormones in meats and dairy as well as bisphenol in plastics, DDT, PCBs, dioxins, etc in our environment. These are also lacking or rare in many other societies.
So bottom line is that we are doing more to create our own hormone imbalances than we would see if the body was taken care of properly and not being exposed to all the exogenous hormones. This is why good diets and herbs to help support the endocrine system with a diet rich in phytoestrogens and with the use of hormone supporting herbs.
Pharmaceutical hormones can be produced from any sterol source. Sources other than soy, such as wild yam, are also used. But these sterols have to go through a number of processes to convert them to actual hormones, and these do not occur in the body.
No, soy yogurt is not a problem for breast cancer. A number of studies have shown the anti-cancer effects of soy phytoestrogens, and many of the herbs and foods used to treat cancer are also phytoestrogen rich. Phytoestrogens do not promote cancer, they inhibit it by blocking estrogen receptors so that real estrogens cannot affect the body. They are not 100% blocked, but antagonization of any estrogen in the body is a help.
As far as Candida there is not a problem as long as it has been fermented long enough to destroy the sugars present. the bacteria and acids formed will actually help suppress Candida growth.