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Thousands of years of enlightened ones (Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc. and all their followers) spreading peace, joy and love (etc.) didn't stop all the PTB from wars, terrorism, destruction (etc.).
How important is our not focusing on the problems, but staying in peace, joy and love?
And how important is our "fighting" (which is focusing on) the PTB, even if it's exposing them through peaceful means?
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!
Fighting in the physical realm is all blood, guts and drama.
What if we stay in the spiritual realm?
Thousands of years of enlightened ones (Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc. and all their followers) spreading peace, joy and love (etc.) didn't stop all the PTB from wars, terrorism, destruction (etc.). How important is our not focusing on the problems, but staying in peace, joy and love?
And how important is our "fighting" (which is focusing on) the PTB, even if it's exposing them through peaceful means?
I have heard:
“A single seed can make the whole earth green, and a single man in revolt can create a totally new world, a totally new humanity.” -Osho
If a single man can effect an entire world, just think if there were 100... or 1000 walking on the earth at the same time?
No one can really say when or what the right moment for such a thing as "enlightenment" (whatever that is) to occur for another. With regard to each of these enlightened individuals, do you think that anyone of them would have become enlightened if they conitnually focused on the problems of the world? Yet each one of these individuals, standing alone on their own, have affected the entire world to some degree or other, not before their enlightenment, but only afterwards. And are still affecting others today, long after their deaths...
Perhaps the worlds they lived in, which consisted of elitists, priests, with the wars that were waged at that time, and the power structures of governments of kingdoms and family fuedal systems etc...) provided the perfect backdrop in order for their awakening to occur when it did. The turmoil of time just may have been the added impetus for them to turn their attention away from the outer world and focus on the inner dimensions of themselves.
No one can really say for certain...
In the story of the Bagavad Gita, as I understand it, Krishna gave advise to Arjuna to go to war. To play the role that he found himself in (as a warrior) and to play it in the best way he could.
Then there was the whole thing that happened in Japan with the flowering of Zen tied to swordsmanship, archery and the martial arts and the samarai. Fighting goes on, on the surface, but at a deeper level there is the stillness of a silent observer. The contrast provides a framework for the dynamics to be a possibility.
The thing is: With anything, in any situation, that you are finding yourself in, it can be used an opportunity for growth. I think whatever the situation it is, whatever you feel you have to do, go into it and be as total as you can in being there doing it. It is more a question of not being fragmented, of being being totally immersed in it as possible. Not to make the choice of what to do before the situation comes along. But to allow the situation to dictate what needs to be done. Whether its sitting on a mountain top with a raging storm going on below, or being active within the storm throwing sandbags about to hold back the rising tide. Just be totally into it, with the observer behind the scenes watching yourself go through the experience of doing the best you can.
So I would say, forget about where one should be, what one should be doing. But focus on whatever it is you are doing, and to do it as totally as you are able. Or to muddle it further... When the situation arises whereby an action is needed, they you will know what to do, then do it as abolute as you can.
Cheers turiya -*-
"Just be totally into it, with the observer behind the scenes watching yourself go through the experience of doing the best you can." Turiya
You're a very wise being Turiya. I needed to hear that.
I chose a very graphic depiction of "battle" (all these words need to be in quotes!) working with the "criminally insane", and I need to keep reminding myself that it's not me, but "ME" that's being, and all my doings are "in sinc" when I go with the flow.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The physical world is just an illusion. We have no reference for the depth and width of the real world. What does it mean to you to be awake?
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I didn't learn where physical energy is the same as spiritual energy. I'm trying to grasp the concept that the physical world is all holographic projections on our own eyeballs! hahaha
It sounds crazy, but that's what I'm getting from quantum physicists and "wise ones".
Did you listen to "What the BLEEP do we know? Down the Rabbit Hole" ? There's 3 DVDs, front and back, with just the scientists and wise ones talking on the backs, and you can turn the drama off on the movie and just listen to the facts. It's mind blowing. If you're not ready for it, it sounds redundant. You can take just so much of "we create our own reality" before you have to turn it off.
But WE CREATE OUR OWN REALITY! We've all heard it a million times. But after 55 years of being a leaf in the wind, it's not as simple as it sounds. It's a very hard concept to grasp.
"There's no reality out there" is another hard concept, but after listening to "Take the Leap" and "What the BLEEP?" a hundred times and reading Paxton, Jed and many more....I believe it, therefore I get it.
Then there is nothing I need to do. Everything is as it should be. I need to relax and enjoy the ride. I can't go back and play the game anymore and when I tell people what I know they think I'm crazy, but I don't care. lol
I've got a long way to go. I still have many commitments to dramas going on here, but I'm seriously considering leaving it all and becoming a vagabond.
It's all much more interesting now and much less painful.
I could go on and on, but it's getting boring. Everyone is exactly where they should be, and we all become enlightened in the end.
Thanks for writing;-) You sound like you've got a wonderful life and that's exactly where you should be right now.
In other words, a goal is in the future. Trying to achieve or attain a future goal will justify the means, it will justify any means that is meant to achieve the goal.
But really the whole thing has to be turned completely around and understood in the terms of the way is the goal. The means is the goal. And the way, the only way (the only means), is being in the present moment of here-now.
Ever wonder why time is referred to as a tense? The future is referred to as the future tense? It is because one is tense in wanting to get to the future from the here-now. The same with the past - the past tense. Thinking about a past situation brings in tension... it takes one out of the present moment and places you in a past situation.
The present is really not part of time.
Being in the present is really not being in a tense state. It is a state of relaxation. -no place to go, nothing to do. The doing, the going, will arise on its own out of the situation that comes with the next moment.
The next future moment can only be born out of this present moment. Feeling at ease in the present moment will create a future in which one will also feel at ease.
Cheers... -*-
"Imagine transcending this and having the ability to move around beyond..."
With this thought one enters into future tense... into world of belief, dream, and away from the here, away from the present moment - away from oneself... doesn't it reveal a non-acceptance of who one is and where one is? I can see that it is a good exercise for one that enjoys their addiction to the world of doing things, and having things.
How to accept others - for who they are, and where they are? When one does not accept himself for who he is and where he is?
Seems we have come to this place again... But that is all of what philosophy is capable of doing... going 'round and 'round and 'round, never hitting any real target. See you on the next time 'round. :)