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When waters are demineralized, whether through R/O, resin exchange, or distillation they become more solvent. This is very basic chemistry. In fact remember from chemistry the term that water is the universal solvent? Water does not have a brain to say I will only take the bad stuff and leave the good stuff. It takes what it comes in to contact with until it saturates. In fact all of the above waters when exposed to air will quickly become acidic as they absorb carbon dioxide from the air forming carbonic acid. Ask any lab working with purified waters about this fact. By the way they also tend to grow bacteria very fast. The acidity and bacterial problems are why ultra pure waters have to be constantly recirculated through their filter systems to keep them ultra pure. Also because of the fact that they are highly corrosive.
Instead of going through a long explanation of basic chemistry though, there is a much easier way to prove my point.
How do vitamins and minerals move from the digestive system in to the bloodstream? They are dissolved and carried by water in to the bloodstream.
When you take an excess of B vitamins or vitamin C how do they make it in to the urine to turn the urine bright yellow? They are dissolved in and carried by water in to the urine.
When you form calcium oxalate stones, how did the calcium get in to the body in the first place to form the stones? It is dissolved and carried by water in to the body.
When we eat food how does the nutrition get from the gut in to the bloodstream, and then to where those nutrients are required by the body? They are dissolved and carried by water.
How do we lose nutrients through sweat? The nutrients are dissolved by water and carried out through the sweat.
Should I go on?
Again, water is a solvent. The more pure that water is the more solvent it will become. And ultra pure waters, such as type 1 water, are actually so solvent that they actually become highly corrosive. Water will try to saturate with whatever it can dissolve, which includes vitamins and minerals. This is the principle of how these nutrients get in to our body, and the primary way that they are removed from the body. If the water is saturated with minerals ahead of time, such as spring water, the solvency of the water is greatly reduced. Instead of robbing the body of nutrients, the water must first give up what it is already saturated with in order to carry something else out of the body, such as toxins or nutrients. If the water has been purified then it is going to look for a source of saturation. These sources include toxins and nutrients.
A simple way to understand this is imagine I have two glasses both containing the same amount of water. One glass is R/O water, and one is spring water. Normally I use sugar in my analogy, but since we are talking nutrition lets go with vitamin C. If I start stirring the vitamin C crystals in to the water the vitamin C will dissolve in both waters because the water is highly SOLVENT. Guess what else we will observe with this experiment? We will find that more vitamin C will dissolve in the R/O water than will dissolve in the spring water. Why? Because the spring water was already partially saturated, and thus had less solvency than the R/O water. Therefore, we prove several important points here. 1. Water is solvent. 2. The more pure water is the more solvent it becomes. 3. Water will continue to dissolve until it becomes saturated, or in some cases can be made to supersaturate. 4. Water can and does dissolve nutrients allowing for their absorption and excretion.
Even gold dissolves in water, which is why seawater contains so much gold. And bacteria pull dissolved gold in river water to form gold nuggets.
Now, let's try a different example. We know that lead is toxic and calcium is a nutrient. We also know that calcium is a treatment for lead poisoning because it is is more reactive than lead (electromotive series of chemicals). So if we have lead poisoning and we want to use calcium to treat it how is this going to be done unless the water dissolves both the calcium and the lead? The calcium has to be dissolved in the water in order for it to reach the lead in the first place. Then as the calcium displaces the lead, how do we eliminate the lead? The water must then take up the lead to carry it out of the body. So as we can see the water dissolved and carried not only the calcium, but also the lead.
As another example let's say you drink a lot of colas, which are high in phosphorus. The elevated phosphorus, which by the way is also a nutrient that was dissolved in a water medium, leads to a release of parathyroid hormone (PTH), which in turn breaks down bone tissue to release calcium. But wait, where is that calcium going to go if it cannot be dissolved by water? Luckily this nutrient is dissolved in water though, which allows it to enter the bloodstream to balance out the calcium/phosphorus ratio. But what happens to all the excess calcium in the blood now since elevated serum calcium can cause all sorts of problems? The water then carries this nutrient out through the urine.
And how do you suppose plants get their nutrients from the soil? The minerals (nutrients) cannot be absorbed dry. The fact is that water evaporates, which is natural distillation. This naturally distilled, and therefore solvent water, then comes down as rain, snow, or fog. As this purified water comes in to contact with the minerals, and organic material, of the soil and dust in the air it saturates with these nutrients just as it can do in the body. This mineralized and otherwise saturated water is then used to irrigate crops. And just as with the human body, the plants use the water to move the nutrients to their cells.
The short of it is that ANY purified water, whether it be R/O, distilled or some other form of deionization the water will be highly solvent. And once again water CANNOT pick or choose what it will absorb from the body. It is going to try to saturate with whatever it comes in to contact with, whether than be a nutrient or a toxin.
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This is a reply to # 1,509,586If I use R/O water can I add Sea Salt to it to remineralize the water, or do we have to buy spring water?
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This is a reply to # 1,509,633I often put some ConcenTrace minerals in my distilled water, does that help?
Used to drink my well water but it has not been tested for a few years, I know it has some arsenic in it and feel that I should have retested to make sure it is still safe.
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I often put some ConcenTrace minerals in my distilled water, does that help?
Used to drink my well water but it has not been tested for a few years, I know it has some arsenic in it and feel that I should have retested to make sure it is still safe.
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Since we have lots of iron in the water we also have to use a watersoftener which uses salt.Concentrace is a little controversial due to the heavy metals in it. But I don't see any real difference between it and sea salt, which is also going to contain some heavy metals. The small amount being ingested is not likely to be a problem since many of the foods we eat are effective metal chelators. These include pectins from fruits and vegetables and algins from seaweeds.
One thing you could do with your well water is to ozonate it. This will precipitate out the arsenic and iron. You will need a fairly high powered unit, and I would add a wood bubbler on the output for a finer bubble production. These are sold in aquarium stores for protein skimmers. They produce very tiny bubbles for increased surface area.
You cannot use the water with salt in it for ozonation. The ozone will split the salt forming sodium hydroxide, which is caustic and a hypochlorite.
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If I use R/O water can I add sea salt to it to remineralize the water, or do we have to buy spring water?
Adding a little trace element salt and/or diatomaceous earth (silica) to distilled or R/O water will help remineralize it and reduce its solvency.
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This is a reply to # 1,509,586"The short of it is that ANY purified water, whether it be R/O, distilled or some other form of deionization the water will be highly solvent. And once again water CANNOT pick or choose what it will absorb from the body. It is going to try to saturate with whatever it comes in to contact with, whether than be a nutrient or a toxin."
What you are missing is that the body has stronger "pulling" power than water.
For example, lets take distilled water with a 1% saturation of vitamin C. The body can pull/absorb this vitamin C from this super-solvent water. The body can pull the nutrients it needs from the water and allow waste to saturate the water. So even if water tries to saturate with whatever it comes in contact with, the body can adjust the concentrations of those solutes as it moves through the body.
Yes distilled water is super solvent, its nearly free of toxins, these are the beauty of using it. By using distilled water you have more control of what it can be saturated with if done properly. You can use Sea Salt s, herbs, vitamins....
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1) completely neglects that fact that not all vitamins, nutrients are water soluble, such as vit. A, etc.
2) neglects that the body doesn't directly absorb vitamins, nutrients by their being water-soluble alone, rather, such as in the case of Cu, Zn, Mn, etc., it is actually proteins that compete for these, solvent effects of water playing a minor role.
3) neglects that nobody in their right mind subsists on water alone, rather, most drink juices, and other beverages
4) leaves no explanation for how people who subsist on cistern-derived water are able to live so long, as certainly there aren't enough minerals in the atmosphere
5) neglects me, who has not knowingly used anything other than distilled and RO water for the past 21 years.
6) neglects the merits of the alternative of using purified water, which is to drink city water or other non-purified water. One would need to analzye whatever water they are going to drink, if they are to know what's in it, which can include of course dead or living bacterium, fluoride species, heavy metals, pesticides, drug metabolites, etc. By using purified water, the question of the presence of these is no longer a consdieration.
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1) completely neglects that fact that not all vitamins, nutrients are water soluble, such as vit. A, etc.Fails to understand that vitamins such as A are made water soluble by the reaction of bile, which is high in the emulsifier lecithin. Lecithin has an end that attracts water and another end that attracts fat. This creates a bridge between the water and the fat making the fat soluble in water.
2) neglects that the body doesn't directly absorb vitamins, nutrients by their being water-soluble alone, rather, such as in the case of Cu, Zn, Mn, etc., it is actually proteins that compete for these, solvent effects of water playing a minor role.
Fails to understand the concepts:
1. Not all minerals are chelated (protein bound). When we drink spring water where are the proteins? Unless you want to count the traces of algae that may be present.
2. That minerals also form salts such as calcium carbonate reacting with stomach acid will form the salt calcium chloride, which is not only extremely soluble in water, but it is also higher attracting to water. I have a bottle of calcium chloride salt in a glass bottle tightly sealed. Over the years it has drawn water through the cap and turned the solid salts in to a liquid calcium chloride.
3. That regardless of whether in a chealted form or in a salt form the minerals still require water to be transported from the intestines in to the bloodstream.
3) neglects that nobody in their right mind subsists on water alone, rather, most drink juices, and other beveragesFails to realize that people do drink purified waters on an empty stomach, such as with water fasting. Also fails to realize that if something is added to the water before ingestion it is NO LONGER distilled water.
4) leaves no explanation for how people who subsist on cistern-derived water are able to live so long, as certainly there aren't enough minerals in the atmosphere
Fails to understand that water in cisterns are not as pure as distilled water. As the rain falls it saturates with gases in the atmosphere including ozone forming peroxides, sulfur and nitrogen gases forming acids, dust particles in the air giving it minerals, and more dust on the rooftop adding more minerals, and then sitting in the cistern that is normally made of concrete allowing the water to finish saturating with minerals from the cement.
5) neglects me, who has not knowingly used anything other than distilled and RO water for the past 21 years.Which does not mean you are healthy, nor have not caused injury to your body in some manner. Your statement is as ridiculous as the smoker saying that I have smoked for 21 years and don't have cancer so it must be healthy to smoke.
6) neglects the merits of the alternative of using purified water, which is to drink city water or other non-purified water. One would need to analzye whatever water they are going to drink, if they are to know what's in it, which can include of course dead or living bacterium, fluoride species, heavy metals, pesticides, drug metabolites, etc. By using purified water, the question of the presence of these is no longer a consdieration.Has failed to read the numerous posts I have done on water, and has failed to realize that my preference is spring water to provide a host of healthy minerals in a water that will not rob the body of nutrients like distilled or R/O water. Also failed to read the numerous times that I have recommended purified waters as an alternative as long as silica or minerals are added back to the water first to reduce the solvency of the water so it will not rob the body of minerals.
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This is a reply to # 1,510,015"Has failed to read the numerous posts I have done on water, and has failed to realize that my preference is spring water to provide a host of healthy minerals in a water that will not rob the body of nutrients like distilled or R/O water. Also failed to read the numerous times that I have recommended purified waters as an alternative as long as silica or minerals are added back to the water first to reduce the solvency of the water so it will not rob the body of minerals."
Vell, why didn't you say so in the first place !!! :)))))
Why not write a book, and then put a footnote in each of your messages when applicable, that everything you have ever written previously is expressly incorporated by reference therein ?
Had your message above contained such a reference, I would have had to read everything you ever wrote before I could reply, which would guarantee that I would never reply, because I simply don't have the time or desire to read about such a mundane, rudimentary and nearly useless topic.
Here's the one I used below, that might give you some ideas on verbiage:
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Why not write a book, and then put a footnote in each of your messages when applicable, that everything you have ever written previously is expressly incorporated by reference therein ?
If I had to repeat everything that I have said on every subject I post on I would be posting a book with every posting. This is why I expect people to use a little common sense when reading my posts. Let's look at a few of my quotes:
*"When waters are demineralized, whether through R/O, resin exchange, or distillation they become more solvent."
*It takes what it comes in to contact with until it saturates."
*"When you take an excess of B vitamins or vitamin C how do they make it in to the urine to turn the urine bright yellow? They are dissolved in and carried by water in to the urine.
When you form calcium oxalate stones, how did the calcium get in to the body in the first place to form the stones? It is dissolved and carried by water in to the body.
When we eat food how does the nutrition get from the gut in to the bloodstream, and then to where those nutrients are required by the body? They are dissolved and carried by water.
How do we lose nutrients through sweat? The nutrients are dissolved by water and carried out through the sweat."
*"Again, water is a solvent. The more pure that water is the more solvent it will become. And ultra pure waters, such as type 1 water, are actually so solvent that they actually become highly corrosive. Water will try to saturate with whatever it can dissolve, which includes vitamins and minerals. This is the principle of how these nutrients get in to our body, and the primary way that they are removed from the body. If the water is saturated with minerals ahead of time, such as spring water, the solvency of the water is greatly reduced."
*"A simple way to understand this is imagine I have two glasses both containing the same amount of water. One glass is R/O water, and one is spring water. Normally I use sugar in my analogy, but since we are talking nutrition lets go with vitamin C. If I start stirring the vitamin C crystals in to the water the vitamin C will dissolve in both waters because the water is highly SOLVENT. Guess what else we will observe with this experiment? We will find that more vitamin C will dissolve in the R/O water than will dissolve in the spring water. Why? Because the spring water was already partially saturated, and thus had less solvency than the R/O water. Therefore, we prove several important points here. 1. Water is solvent. 2. The more pure water is the more solvent it becomes. 3. Water will continue to dissolve until it becomes saturated, or in some cases can be made to supersaturate. 4. Water can and does dissolve nutrients allowing for their absorption and excretion."
*"And how do you suppose plants get their nutrients from the soil? The minerals (nutrients) cannot be absorbed dry. The fact is that water evaporates, which is natural distillation. This naturally distilled, and therefore solvent water, then comes down as rain, snow, or fog. As this purified water comes in to contact with the minerals, and organic material, of the soil and dust in the air it saturates with these nutrients just as it can do in the body. This mineralized and otherwise saturated water is then used to irrigate crops. And just as with the human body, the plants use the water to move the nutrients to their cells.
The short of it is that ANY purified water, whether it be R/O, distilled or some other form of deionization the water will be highly solvent. "
Now, with all that information about the solvency of water being dependent on the purity, and the statement "If the water is saturated with minerals ahead of time", I really have to take someone by the hand and give them step by step explanations and instructions on saturating water before drinking it every time I post on purified waters?
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"The short of it is that ANY purified water, whether it be R/O, distilled or some other form of deionization the water will be highly solvent. And once again water CANNOT pick or choose what it will absorb from the body. It is going to try to saturate with whatever it comes in to contact with, whether than be a nutrient or a toxin."
What you are missing is that the body has stronger "pulling" power than water.
For example, lets take distilled water with a 1% saturation of vitamin C. The body can pull/absorb this vitamin C from this super-solvent water. The body can pull the nutrients it needs from the water and allow waste to saturate the water. So even if water tries to saturate with whatever it comes in contact with, the body can adjust the concentrations of those solutes as it moves through the body.Actually there is a lot more to that story, such as reactivity of different compounds. If you are familiar with the electromotive series of chemicals elements higher on the list are more reactive and will displace anything less reactive lower on the list. This is why lithium is used to treat bipolar since it is more reactive than sodium that is responsible for the disorder. Calcium is more reactive than lead and arsenic, which is why it displaces the arsenic and lead out of the body. Since certain things are more reactive than others what goes out in the urine is not always excess. It is also what is reactive enough to displace other compounds the water is saturated with. Let's go back to the calcium example for a moment. To be absorbed the calcium is converted to a calcium salt, if it is not already a salt. The salt saturates the water and the water carries this salt in to the bloodstream. Once there the calcium salts can do an exchange reaction with the arsenic and lead so the water is now saturated with the arsenic and lead. So it is not the body's ability to absorb/pull these compounds. If that were the case then we would be back to the same pure water we have to worry about in the first place. Think about it. We drink distilled water and it is aggressive and looks for something to saturate with. So it saturates with toxins, minerals, vitamins or whatever. If the body is pulling these compounds from the water we are back to pure aggressive water. So again it is going to find something to bind to and it will carry some of those compounds out of the body. This includes nutrients, and again not necessarily nutrients in excess.
Yes distilled water is super solvent, its nearly free of toxins, these are the beauty of using it. By using distilled water you have more control of what it can be saturated with if done properly. You can use sea salts, herbs, vitamins....If you are saturating the water with these compounds before ingestion then you no longer have distilled water to begin with. But if you drink the water without saturating it first then it can rob your body of nutrients as explained above.
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"This is why lithium is used to treat bipolar since it is more reactive than sodium that is responsible for the disorder"
Can you elaborate? I come from a family of "bipolars" as well as other mental health diagnoses. I always thought if I got too much sodium, I could ideally counteract it with the right amount of potassium. Are folks in my family eating too much sodium, are they eating the wrong kinds of sodium, are they relatively dehydrated, are they absorbing too much sodium, or a combination of these?
I understand about the higher elements displacing the lower ones, after reading parts of _The Fluoride Deception_ and _The Devil's Poison_ and the extreme reactivity of fluoride.
Would all this info be in Michael Murray's books? Thanks.
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"This is why lithium is used to treat bipolar since it is more reactive than sodium that is responsible for the disorder"
Can you elaborate? I come from a family of "bipolars" as well as other mental health diagnoses. I always thought if I got too much sodium, I could ideally counteract it with the right amount of potassium. Are folks in my family eating too much sodium, are they eating the wrong kinds of sodium, are they relatively dehydrated, are they absorbing too much sodium, or a combination of these?I have not seen anything on the exact mechanism, just that there is a sodium shift in the brain neurons. The lithium, and potassium, are both more reactive than the sodium and therefore will displace the sodium. But it is more dangerous to try to do this with potassium since too much potassium can cause arrhythmias or stop the heart. And some people may not excrete potassium properly if they have certain metabolic disorders or are on potassium sparing diuretics. So they use lithium. They figure killing the liver is better than stopping the heart.
I understand about the higher elements displacing the lower ones, after reading parts of _The Fluoride Deception_ and _The Devil's Poison_ and the extreme reactivity of fluoride.
Would all this info be in Michael Murray's books? Thanks.I checked his book The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine and he does not mention the cause of bipolar, just recommendations for treatment.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,509,586In your opinion, how much Sea Salt should be used to mineralize 3L (a pitcher) of distilled water?
A pinch, a teaspoon, a tablespoon, more?
Water is something I still haven't made my mind up on, lots of experts argue either way.
I'm guessing that if you distill water, it's probably very bad to use a plastic container to capture it since it will start to absorb the plastic?
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For three liters I would go with between 1/4 to 1/8 teaspoon of trace element salt. You don't want to add so much that it tastes salty.
Not all plastics leach. You can use HDPE or LDPE without leaching. If I recall right PP is also safe.
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