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Hello!
I've had 8 colonics, fasted, done enemas, & 1 liver flush, etc. in an effort to clean my bowels, rid my body of toxins & chronic allergy/sinus problems. Recently feel my peristaltic action has slowed dramatically as I don't get "the urge" & have to push & strain to have a BM, resulting in a small amount of feces. At times I've had to resort to herbal laxatives (used to have BM every morning with little effort). Also, digestion has gotten worse even with digestive enzymes, I get very bloated & tummy gets rumbly & yucky. I usually avoid glutens, excess Sugar & eat well, however on trips or weekends I tend to slip up on diet.
Anybody experienced similar problems while on the journey of cleansing? Could by body be getting cleaner & reacting to things more to things it doesn't want or does this sometimes happen from the colonics, enemas or liver flushes? I'm confused as I want to get better, not worse. I'm not sure how to deal with this. Thank you for your advise & info.
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- Re: Post cleansing - digestive probl... propaul
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MoreThis is a reply to # 142,715Hi Peggy,
Can you tell me if you are following a plan for your cleansing or are you doing it somewhat haphazardly?
For myself I find, from over 50 years of experience, that unless a certain protocol is followed, I get into all kinds of difficulties. What protocol to follow has been a search by trial and error. And when one finds a suitable protocol after using it a while your body says NO MORE and you have to modify the protocol to suit your body. Nothing remains the same.
What this forum needs is more specific info. As an example please read the message on this forum “Re: wheat grass enema by valerie_cct “. With more pertinent information I am sure that some members can help you.
You say that you did “ 8 colonics, fasted, done enemas, & 1 liver flush, etc.” but do not say whether the colonics were done in a week or a month, that you fasted but no mention of what type of fast and for how long, that you did enemas but again no details, also 1 liver flush but do not say which protocol you used and if you prepared yourself with a stone softening session before the flush.
All this information is important in trying to help you. So please give us more info.
I hope to hear from you very soon.
Propaul
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This is a reply to # 142,716Hello!
Thank you for taking the time to answer. In an effort to keep my post short, apparently I did not supply enough info. Hopefully this will help.
Protocols...
Clarkia parasite cleanse per instructions as well as other brand over the last couple years per instructions.
Fasts.....1st 14 days with veggie juice about 1-1/2 years ago, approx. 10 shorter fasts (3-8 days) usually using Master Cleanse or grapefruit juice (fresh), chloraphyl/aloe and water.
Enemas.....using a bag, filling 1-3 x each session (2 qt).....with aloe, chloraphyl, coffee (x 2), initially w/herbs advised by healing ranch. Enemas while fasting usually every other day. Otherwise, every couple weeks or so, now, every week as advised by colonic therapist.
Implants.....therapist advised after last 2 colonics use 4 oz. wheatgrass (last could hold longer & made me feel quite ill/nauseous). Inserted 1st with enema bag, 2nd with rectal bulb.
Colonics.....8 in 2 months with therapist....2-1st wk, once wk for next 4 wks, every 2 wks til now. Produces lots of bile, mucous as well as undigested salad leaves.
Liver flush.....Andreas Moritz protocol done 7/6 (2 wks. ago) producing approx. 100 pea & smaller sized stones, lots of toxic bile (?...burned) at the end), plan to do 2nd next week as period is due & he advises to wait. I did soften stones with malic acid as well as some apple juice. Followed Liver-Flush to a T.
Had tried P&B shakes only once a day prior to beginning colonics, however was concerned that they were "stopping me up."
So, are you saying that when you find a good cleanse for your body, that in time it will not work & you will have to re-experiment to see what does?
I hope this is enough detail for your opinion. I respect your 50 years experience and am so happy people are willing to take the time to help others. Thank you & if you need more I will provide it.
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This is a reply to # 142,717Hi Peggy,
Just received your message. You gave me a lot of info and it will take me a few hours to digest all of it. So my reply will be forthcoming very soon.
Thanks for being so prompt.
Propaul
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This is a reply to # 142,717Hi Peggy,
After reading your very complete message, two thoughts jump at me.
First you have done a lot of cleansing, maybe too much too fast.
Second wheatgrass is not a favorite of mine. It has caused me a lot of problems: indigestion, gas, constipation and other pains.
Are you still suffering from constipation and a “rumbly” stomach? If so my suggestion is that you do a very gentle bowel cleanse, follow it with a good probiotic enzyme, orally and rectally and follow a very bland diet for a few days. See what happens.
If after this bowel cleanse and diet you still have problems then start over again. Also make sure that you take enough potassium with your supplements.
Details:
A gentle bowel cleanse for me is a couple of capsules of cascara sagrada at night just before going to bed. You could drink an herbal laxative tea, triphala or any gentle laxative. The next day, after you have a bowel movement, take a cleansing enema, 1 to 2 quarts of water with 1 teaspoon of baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) per quart of water. Give yourself a rest for at least 1 hour then take a probiotic retention enema; 1 cup of water with 1/4 teaspoon of acidophilus or some home made kefir.
Also take before your meal a capsule of probiotic enzyme at least once a day. Meanwhile I suggest that you do not do any colonics or other cleansing until your digestion returns to normal.
Please be kind to your body and let it tell you what it needs.
Yes everything changes in this world and a cleansing system that works for you today may not do the same job a year or two from now. I am in the midst of changing my bowel cleansing. The system I have been using for several years is causing problems and not accomplishing what I want. So back to the drawing board and design in changes. I will experiment with these changes to find what works. You can read about my old cleanse in my Blog under M titled “My challenge by propaul”.
Propaul- Thank you for your suggestions... peggster
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This is a reply to # 142,721Hello!
Again, thank you.
I will try your suggestions with the gentle cleanse...thank you for instructions. Maybe the wheatgrass was a problem for me (avoid glutens in diet, could you have a problem with wheatgrass if you think you have a problem with eating wheat?). Prior to the colonics my BM's had become so small in quantity & thin as though the walls of the colon are compacted & I have to really strain. I am 47 and things are changing in my body pretty rapidly these days. Having allergies I want to keep my bowels & toxins moving, therefore the cleansing.
Do you mind sharing your recommendations for a good probiotic? I have been paying quite a price for Healthy Trinity (Natren) as it is "supposed" to be the best. I used to make goat milk kefir but was told to remove all dairy, due to allergies. I haven't noticed a difference & miss my kefir. Am trying to get grains now so I will begin using that.
I will read your blog. Thank you for taking the time to respond with such great detail.
Blessings,
Peggy- Re: Thank you for your suggestions..... propaul
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This is a reply to # 142,722Dear Peggy,
I was walking out the door and noticed your message. This just a short note to tell you that I take Nature's Way Primadophilus Bifidus caps. I take 1 cap a day but you could double that dose for few days. a week.It is quite inexpensive.
I will get back to you later today.
Propaul
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This is a reply to # 142,722Hi Peggy,
I’m back. If goat milk kefir doesn’t seems to affect you why not keep on with it. We are all different. Some people are allergic to dairy products. I was for a long time and now, after many years of cleansing, I can tolerate quite a bit of milk products. We change.
You are most probably allergic to wheat including wheatgrass. So leave wheatgrass alone, no matter what you read about it. Actually wheatgrass is not attacked by many insects and vermin because it has toxins to repels these critters.
The probiotics I use are the following:
Primadophilus Bifidus, 45mg - 90 Caps 10 billion microorganism... $11.67 (Nature’s way)
Acidophilus Powder, Non Dairy - 4 oz. Bulk $25.99 (Alternative Health & Herbs Remedies)
All from Herbal Remedies (www.herbalremedies.com), one of my suppliers.
You are probably in the start of menopause and you will find many changes happening to your body and mind. It is a time to be gentle with yourself. Don’t be angry with your body for changes that do not suit you. Just work with the changes. As an example, if you get constipated don’t get annoyed with it, just take a laxative or an enema or a stool softener or a suppository. If you get hot flashes, cold sweats, etc. try some herbal remedies. You may have to try several of them as some work on some women and others on other women. My info is from 2 wives and a girl friend who have gone through menopause. No I’m not a bigamist. I am seventy nine years young and have outlived most of my same aged friends.
Allergies come and go. Eat healthy, do some gentle cleansing nothing dramatic, drink adequate amount of good water, try to get sound sleep, keep your emotions in check, and I believe that will keep your allergies away.
Don’t get discouraged, just keep on trying.
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This is a reply to # 142,722Peggy, you may well have a problem with gluten that could have been exacerbated by the wheatgrass. I have to admit that I hadn't considered that until I read Propaul's response. So I also suggest that you forget about using wheatgrass in the future, and also to note any negative reactions you may experience after consuming other wheat products.
Do you have any other health problems that might contribute to your constipation problems, such as diabetes, heart disease or cancer, or are you taking any medications that list constipation as a side effect?
My mom has always had sluggish bowels as long as I can remember (as seems to be a problem over several generations in our family), but she is in her mid-50's now, and things have worsened for her in this aspect of her health in just the past 5 years or so. I totally agree with the advice Propaul gives when he encourages you not to worry if you find yourself becoming constipated on a more frequent basis, and the remedies he suggests.
I remember a quote from my training by the late gastroenterologist, Dr. Walter Alvarez when describing a patient who came to him concerned about becoming dependent on the enema habit. Dr. Alvarez said to her: "Far better the enema habit than the constipation habit!"
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This is a reply to # 142,738Hi Valerie_cct,
Reading your post to Peggy, you mention your mother “but she is in her mid-50's now, and things have worsened for her in this aspect of her health in just the past 5 years or so.”
My own experience, when I reached 50, is somewhat similar to your mother’s. I became severely constipated. Most MDs will ignore the whole problem yet it is a known fact that many people tend to get more constipated with age. I spent some time studying the phenomena with a friend of mine who happened to be a Medical Doctor.
We did not find any direct cause for this change. But our bodies are an incredibly complex mechanism, with some unbelievably automatic reactions to certain conditions. (See “ Man, The Unknown by Alexis Carrel.”)
With age, our cells slow down splitting and eventually loose this ability. I believe that this is an indirect cause of constipation getting more problematic with age. In my case I somehow ignored the problem and used whatever remedy to relieve my constipation. Here again changing my diet and actually “ditching” my well paid job with lots of stress, help me overcome my problem. I believe that wrong food and unresolved stress are the cause of many of our health problems. I actually decided to retire at the age of 50. This retirement lasted only 2 months. Life became so boring that I started a new business. I will be 79 years young in 3 days and feel that I am still a young man in my 40's.
So tell your mother not to worry and try to enjoy life to the utmost. Tell her to have fun and to take somewhat the attitude of Louis XV who said “Apres moi le deluge”.
Sorry for all this rambling but I would like see older folks enjoy life more and handle this health in better ways.
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This is a reply to # 142,739Thank you Propaul, for your support and words of wisdom.
Wishing you the best of health and happiness,
Valerie- Thank you so much for your suggestio... peggster
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This is a reply to # 142,740Dear Valerie & ProPaul,
Thank you so much for your responses....I have print them to utilize.
I, too, am getting closer to 50 (47) which could have something to do with the sluggishness possibly, although always have had some problems.
Per the gluten....I do have food & environmental allergies/intolerances and do avoid glutens as a rule, as well as other things. I didn't really think of the connection as the colonic therapist told me of a health clinic in Texas where they used them w/o asking patients of any sensitivities. I assumed the wheatgrass was different somehow.
No heart disease, cancer, diabetes that I am aware of.....tons of allergies tho!!! I don't take meds, only supplements. My diet is pretty clean 80-90% of the time.
I appreciate so much both of your expert suggestions. I so love people sharing their info with others. Thank you again.
Peggy
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