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Hi,

My back pain is worse (please see initial post). Not sure which doctor to go to (if at all) because I don't want to harm myself further with drugs.

Shoulders and lower back worse - this did start a few days after the liver flush.

I am taking Uva Ursi tincture for kidney support.

Pat,

You're right about the liver playing an integral part with estrogen and ovulation. Keeping that in mind, here's something you might want to know:

The innervation for your female reproductive organs are in your lower back. Irritation or pain in the organs often results in lower back pain. I've seen this a lot in female clients.

Also, innervation for your liver is midback. And, of course, the entire spine is interrelated. When I began flushing out gallstones, the structure of my spine changed immensely, and I had to see a chiropractor for relief. Since then, I make it a habit to get an adjustment after each flush.

If you think about the way your body is put together... think about the space those Gallstones were occupying, and the pressure that put on the liver and surrounding organs and tissues. Then, think about the pressure that may have put on the spine, etc, etc. The body is a whole, and when doing these liver flushes, it has to be viewed that way... or the results and changes can seem pretty baffling.

Personally, I did experience more clotting, and after the first 10 flushes or so, my lower back started going out. It didn't just hurt... it went out, and I couldn't sit or stand on my own accord. What I discovered was that after years of having those Gallstones in there, affecting the functioning of my liver and hormone production... my reproductive system had been greatly affected by it. When I released the stones, the reproductive system had to make some changes, too. I was worried for awhile, but I kept flushing in good faith, and I can say that now... I have the most painless periods I've ever had (and the mood swings are greatly improved, as well.)

My point is... when you make a change in your body like this, it is going to take some time for everything else to readjust. The body is a self-healer, and healing takes time. There's nothing wrong with getting some extra help-- like a chiropractor, massage therapist, or whatever. You definitely could talk to your doctor, but unfortunately... most doctors don't believe the Liver Flush works, and don't view the body as a whole. You could end up with more problems going that route (speaking from experience.)

Mainly, you just have to be patient and trust the process. This Liver Flush is powerful... it will make changes in the body, but it will do it the way nature intended it... not the way modern medicine does it. It may sound strange... but I'd have to say that you back pain and clotting are a GOOD SIGN... a very good sign that you really needed the liver flush. Keep flushing!

Best of luck!

Hi! I just want to share my experience.

I am 54, perimenopausal. I began the Liver Flush about 9 months ago. I have done at least 15 in the way of Dr. Clark recipe. I began recently to do the egg yolk cleansing that I found in this Forum.

I have a very large myoma and many other smaller. The doctors wanted a surgery but I said no. I have gone through different disconfort and pain in the body which I have always adscribed to the cleansing. I used to have HUGE clots, like little stakes, and many of them. Very painful and flooding periods. After the first Dr. Clark flush they disappeared. I used to get very swollen but now everything is becoming little by little better. I do kidney cleansing by eating a lot of Watermelon and pineapple - I mean, a lot. One whole thing in one morning or so.

About a year ago, my periods began to be every three weeks instead of every four. BUT, this month it took almost the four weeks to come and I have seen only drops you could say. Almost no pain, you could say. I don´t know if I finally am arriving to the menopause face.

I have also done some enemas. Now I am not seeing but a few stones. I stopped doing the big flush for about a month because I was kind of feeling sick. I think I will do it again this Sunday. I live in Mexico, in a tiny town where there is not much available in the way of substances or herbs, so I have to do with whatever is available. I saw the Iodine info, but I am afraid to try it because it could upset some important balance I think. I have also been doing the castor oil packs.

I am sorry my post is so unorganized but it would take a long time for me to formulate a good looking message and I know I would come back to send it. The important part for me is to share with other women my experience, which I think has been a success, but one has to be serious in the intent, eat rightly and all that.

I think somethings else that has been beneficial is that I am trying to make changes internally as person, you could say spiritually, but I would say involving everything, trying to live rightly, being a good and trustable person, trying to find balance and probably all works together. I have been doing it through Buddhism as a guidance, but I am sure any faith is goodness.

My only problem has been that I haven´t been able to confirm which foods are really the ones that have estrogen and which are inhibitors. I am not looking for products to buy but foods to eat. Pepper, avocado, honey, tomato... and other things, in one place they say you can eat, in other say you can´t. I have been restricted to the ones that seem 100% safe in the different informations, making an exception here and there once in a while.

well, I wish you well. To do the cleansings to let your body heal itself I think it´s necessary to trust and to be brave and to be willing to do the work. One learn along the way with the experience, one knows the body in this way little by little.

THIS IS THE BEST WEB SITE I HAVE EVER FOUND about health. All so trusting on the judgment of the people. Thanks so much to whoever started it and to all the people who support it.

Until next time.

:-)

For constipation, various herbal remedies work for both the colon -- and improving adrenals as they power the whole body function. It also helps to actiivate the bile flow.

Personally, I have used Dr Schulz's Intestinal Cleanser 1 and regularly get a BM even from his IC #2. http://www.herbdoc.com
- His info is also in line I think. I think.

I also benefit from Dr. Christopher's Herb Shop, his product for Lower Bowel but have to use more. This formula is also available in some health food store's as Nature's Way inexpensive brand Intestinal Cleanse Formula 2 (I think it is #2) -look on line for the Dr Christopher one and compare the herbs in the store bottles.

StanMar health food store in Midvale, Utah (near SLC) has Stan Malstrom ND's detox formula CAC that I found very healthful years ago when they had it in tablet form. It includes butternut bark to stimulate bile flow - so some places warn against using it of people have stones.

Aloe vera whole leaf gel helps - I drink Lily of the desert brans in gallon jugs, which tested good for me with my pendulum as well as muscle testing 7 it feels good internally. Aloe definitely helps my liver as well - I can tell because my eyes get brighter and clearer with more energy (Chinese medicine - Eyes are part of the liver system).

Fresh fruit helps - especially for some people oranges. I even benefitted from drinking mini-cans of orange, grapefruit & pineapple juice I took to work for a snack. Currently I like strawberries, grapes, pineapple. I personally never got BM improvements from dried fruits.

Carrot juice in large quantities can help, and especially spinach juice. See Norman Walker's book, Fresh Vegetable & Fruit Juices - a classic.

Even a lot more water helps. I often add a peppermint teabag or two to a gallon jug of distilled water and swig it thru the day. The peppermint is said to be good for the intestines & is anti bacterial.

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For the adrenals, bith western herbs and Chinese herbs have helped me invcluding when I take the items mentioned I get a BM soon. My adrenals and Kidney yin and yang have been down on and off for years since I was in my 40's, either from a lot of physical exhaustion, illness or lfe stress.

Typically adrenal glandular tablets are recommended by chiropractors & naturopaths & I do find they give me more energy.

I also use Dr Christopher's Adrenal (and thyroid and pancreas) formula. Licorice is a standard herb for the adrenals & it is recommended to take the same amount of hawthorne for the heart if you do the licorice. It has herbs for other parts of the body, too. It works well for me. Lots of energy in various organs & more endurance.

I use Dr Christopher's Liver-GB formula as well and it relaxes me and therefore must be cleansing the liver as they say it does. They say it helps with liver stones but I have not yet looked into that personally. I use the blood stream formula as well and it does calm and stabilize the heart - and I add my own either powdered or whole hawthorne berries.

Oriental medicine doctors (OMD, DOM, Accupuncturist) use Rehmannia 6 typically for yin tonic but adding kidney yang to it helps. Since my yin has been drained (as well as my kidney yang), taking a good yin tonic formula is like charging the battery for my adrenal motor. The adrenals are part of the kidney yang system.

I'll try to answer any questions on this - I am not a doctor of any kind (More so computers & bodywork) but I have been ill for some time and all this (plus more raw food diet etc) helps. I do not have any vested interest in any of the items or resources I mention. I was constipated a lot for the first 30 years of my life, then got 18 colonics in 18 days & had just switched to a vegetarian diet. That also made a big difference.